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Oi you lot, Rob Apter. Whats going on ?
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I find the whole vibe from some fans that we lose one match so something behind the scenes must be wrong strange and if I were a manager I’d rather my players were a bit upset if I pulled them off.5
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That would be an odd thing to do. Kelman is playing well, got his first goal and then unlucky to miss out last couple of games due to injury. Why would he drop a league ?ElfsborgAddick said:JustFloydRoad said:
If he goes to Blackpool- will he go for Apter?
Kelman may like Lytham over Woolwich and think he'll start scoring goals again.3 -
But you’re attributing it to the loss because your agenda is to dismiss any perceived negativity… but its nothing to do with the loss as many have been wondering about his lack of involvement for some timeBournesnr said:I find the whole vibe from some fans that we lose one match so something behind the scenes must be wrong strange and if I were a manager I’d rather my players were a bit upset if I pulled them off.
Objectively and whether you’re a jones fan or not, an apter fan or not, a Charlton fan or not, it is strange that on of the marquee, big money signings of the summer who won player of the month for us 2 months ago and overall looked promising/ didn’t appear to do anything massively wrong on pitch is now behind the pecking order to an ageing free agent and a teenager neither of him are wing backs by trade either (even ignoring the loan player who took his place). And therefore not unreasonable to speculate about it on a forum
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Compare and contrast the management of him being out the side with Gilly at the start of the season. It was felt harsh that Gilly was dropped so Jones kept using him off the bench even if it was late on in games for Edwards with Bell moving to wing back. He was involved in most games even if not starting. Apter on the other hand was dropped (rightly) for the shiny new toy and then not touched other than that one appearance at Hull. There have been times when Bree has been struggling late on in games but he hasn't been used. Or times we have been trying to open teams up and he could definitely have added something. Just feels a little odd he hasn't been used at all in those situations.Crispywood said:
He’s clearly not happy with his game time and where others have knuckled down and got on with it Apter clearly isn’t happy. Think he has a point to be upset personally when u have gone from a POTM to not even getting a minuteBraziliance said:Don't want to make assumptions, but I thought it was very odd that we gave him a warm reception as he entered the tunnels before kick-off and he blanked us.
Each to their own, but if your travelling fans of over 200+ miles back you when you aren't even starting, should surely show a bit of appreciation?
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I like Apter and his turn will come, we see him for 90 minutes on a Saturday or Tuesday NJ sees him in training all week and obviously thinks at the moment the other options available to him are better for the team.
it doesn’t mean there’s trouble in the camp which is being implied.1 -
Today the other option was an injured James Bree who couldn't take a corner due to a groin problem.Bournesnr said:I like Apter and his turn will come, we see him for 90 minutes on a Saturday or Tuesday NJ sees him in training all week and obviously thinks at the moment the other options available to him are better for the team.
it doesn’t mean there’s trouble in the camp which is being implied.
If I was Apter I would be mightily pissed off too.5 -
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We have limited flair in the attacking sense and when chasing a game Apter is a rarity in our squad who has the ability to create something out of nothing , the lack of involvement stinks and if we were sitting top or bottom the statement above wouldn’t change.
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From the brief appearances I've seen him I don't think he is a natural wingback. Like when TC plays wingback. In some ways you could say he was a odd signing for how we play7
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Right player. Wrong time.
Or maybe even Right time. Wrong club.
There's no doubt he is a talented wide player who can put over a great cross. But we can't really play him in this position given the formation we are playing.
So we've tried to shoehorn him into the side by playing him as a wing back. And that is one thing he just isn't- he's just not strong enough to play that role effectively.
So unless you change the shape of the team I just don't see how he currently fits in.9 -
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Did we buy him in panic as a potential Small replacement (Left footed RWB), rather than a genuine fit for the team?0
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No cause he was on our wanted list even if we were in league one ….. Apter should be in place of Campbell … now …..Campbell contributes nothing to the team … NJ favourite costing us but we are getting away with it .._uptheaddicks said:Did we buy him in panic as a potential Small replacement (Left footed RWB), rather than a genuine fit for the team?12 -
Does apter play up front in a 2 or left wing/left wing back ,Ronnie just wondering ?..RonnieMoore said:
No cause he was on our wanted list even if we were in league one ….. Apter should be in place of Campbell … now …..Campbell contributes nothing to the team … NJ favourite costing us but we are getting away with it .._uptheaddicks said:Did we buy him in panic as a potential Small replacement (Left footed RWB), rather than a genuine fit for the team?0 -
The plan at the start of the season was having more of a defensive lwb in Edwards with Apter being the more attacking RWB / in the Small role.At the moment Bree is fulfilling the Edwards role on the right and we're trying some inverted LWB options to give us the same structure but the other way round.The only way we could maintain the same balance at the mo would be to play Bree on his wrong side or a youth product like Enslin over there.I know he was out of the team a few games before but I reckon Apter is probably a victim of the Edwards and Bell injuries more than anything else15
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I still can’t wrap my ahead around why he didn’t come on for Bree who couldn’t kick a ball properly.15
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But they probably won’t buy an injured player, and it’s league 1 so more likely to be effective there I guessElfsborgAddick said:JustFloydRoad said:If he goes to Blackpool- will he go for Apter?
Kelman may like Lytham over Woolwich and think he'll start scoring goals again.0 -
Jones rates Bree very highly and without Edwards on the left he presumably wants to keep the balance of the team, with four natural defenders plus an attacking WB who tracks back to form a back five.
I don’t get why he didn’t come on yesterday, especially now we know Bree couldn’t even take a set piece.
He can still be a success as an attacking WB who becomes a winger in possession. He won’t do that if he doesn’t get more game time. He has more goals and assists in him than Small, which is what we need from the more attacking WB - he’s not failed at being a great defensive WB because that was never the expectation.
NJ signing then using Hernandez and yesterday TC at WB shows it’s still the plan.4 -
Massively disagree.Scoham said:Jones rates Bree very highly and without Edwards on the left he presumably wants to keep the balance of the team, with four natural defenders plus an attacking WB who tracks back to form a back five.
I don’t get why he didn’t come on yesterday, especially now we know Bree couldn’t even take a set piece.
He can still be a success as an attacking WB who becomes a winger in possession. He won’t do that if he doesn’t get more game time. He has more goals and assists in him than Small, which is what we need from the more attacking WB - he’s not failed at being a great defensive WB because that was never the expectation.
NJ signing then using Hernandez and yesterday TC at WB shows it’s still the plan.2 -
He comfortably outscored Small last season, and that wasn’t because Small didn’t get chances - he’s not a good finisher.J BLOCK said:
Massively disagree.Scoham said:Jones rates Bree very highly and without Edwards on the left he presumably wants to keep the balance of the team, with four natural defenders plus an attacking WB who tracks back to form a back five.
I don’t get why he didn’t come on yesterday, especially now we know Bree couldn’t even take a set piece.
He can still be a success as an attacking WB who becomes a winger in possession. He won’t do that if he doesn’t get more game time. He has more goals and assists in him than Small, which is what we need from the more attacking WB - he’s not failed at being a great defensive WB because that was never the expectation.
NJ signing then using Hernandez and yesterday TC at WB shows it’s still the plan.
Assists is more debatable, but Apter I think is a better crosser, and the stats last season show he scored and created more chances. He had more minutes but not a huge amount, and of course we had a better team than Blackpool given we got promoted.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if Apter goes out on loan in January3
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Apter and Carey linked up well together. My guess would be that Apter is not doing what he is asked in training re tracking back. Thats a fundamental part of Jones' requirements and if he won't or can't learn that then he wont get as many minutes as he would like2
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Im reminded of last time he played and was brushed aside by the opposition player as he cut into our boxAlwaysneil said:Apter and Carey linked up well together. My guess would be that Apter is not doing what he is asked in training re tracking back. Thats a fundamental part of Jones' requirements and if he won't or can't learn that then he wont get as many minutes as he would like0 -
In Linda we trust...😉SheedyCAFC said:2 -
I would...MrBurns said:I wouldn't be too surprised if Apter goes out on loan in January2 -
Small is getting rave reviews from PNE fans for his performances this season, is a regular starter and has 4 G/A. Apter can't even get on to replace an injured James Bree.Scoham said:
He comfortably outscored Small last season, and that wasn’t because Small didn’t get chances - he’s not a good finisher.J BLOCK said:
Massively disagree.Scoham said:Jones rates Bree very highly and without Edwards on the left he presumably wants to keep the balance of the team, with four natural defenders plus an attacking WB who tracks back to form a back five.
I don’t get why he didn’t come on yesterday, especially now we know Bree couldn’t even take a set piece.
He can still be a success as an attacking WB who becomes a winger in possession. He won’t do that if he doesn’t get more game time. He has more goals and assists in him than Small, which is what we need from the more attacking WB - he’s not failed at being a great defensive WB because that was never the expectation.
NJ signing then using Hernandez and yesterday TC at WB shows it’s still the plan.
Assists is more debatable, but Apter I think is a better crosser, and the stats last season show he scored and created more chances. He had more minutes but not a huge amount, and of course we had a better team than Blackpool given we got promoted.0 -
That’s everything to do with how both managers set up and use them though rather than the individual quality of playerJ BLOCK said:
Small is getting rave reviews from PNE fans for his performances this season, is a regular starter and has 4 G/A. Apter can't even get on to replace an injured James Bree.Scoham said:
He comfortably outscored Small last season, and that wasn’t because Small didn’t get chances - he’s not a good finisher.J BLOCK said:
Massively disagree.Scoham said:Jones rates Bree very highly and without Edwards on the left he presumably wants to keep the balance of the team, with four natural defenders plus an attacking WB who tracks back to form a back five.
I don’t get why he didn’t come on yesterday, especially now we know Bree couldn’t even take a set piece.
He can still be a success as an attacking WB who becomes a winger in possession. He won’t do that if he doesn’t get more game time. He has more goals and assists in him than Small, which is what we need from the more attacking WB - he’s not failed at being a great defensive WB because that was never the expectation.
NJ signing then using Hernandez and yesterday TC at WB shows it’s still the plan.
Assists is more debatable, but Apter I think is a better crosser, and the stats last season show he scored and created more chances. He had more minutes but not a huge amount, and of course we had a better team than Blackpool given we got promoted.2 -
Not disagreeing that Small’s doing better this season, but there’s a lot more to come from Apter - if we can get the best out of him their overall stats show he’s a more natural goalscorer and better at creating chances.J BLOCK said:
Small is getting rave reviews from PNE fans for his performances this season, is a regular starter and has 4 G/A. Apter can't even get on to replace an injured James Bree.Scoham said:
He comfortably outscored Small last season, and that wasn’t because Small didn’t get chances - he’s not a good finisher.J BLOCK said:
Massively disagree.Scoham said:Jones rates Bree very highly and without Edwards on the left he presumably wants to keep the balance of the team, with four natural defenders plus an attacking WB who tracks back to form a back five.
I don’t get why he didn’t come on yesterday, especially now we know Bree couldn’t even take a set piece.
He can still be a success as an attacking WB who becomes a winger in possession. He won’t do that if he doesn’t get more game time. He has more goals and assists in him than Small, which is what we need from the more attacking WB - he’s not failed at being a great defensive WB because that was never the expectation.
NJ signing then using Hernandez and yesterday TC at WB shows it’s still the plan.
Assists is more debatable, but Apter I think is a better crosser, and the stats last season show he scored and created more chances. He had more minutes but not a huge amount, and of course we had a better team than Blackpool given we got promoted.0 -
He was playing really well for us so I disagree he can't play that position.8
