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Oi you lot, Rob Apter. Whats going on ?
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fenaddick said:
Correct, replaced by TC after 37 mins because he was being terrorised by a certain R ApterWeegie Addick said:
Blackpool maybe?Sword65pf said:
He did actually can’t remember who it was against, Small was fuming.Weegie Addick said:Didn’t Small get subbed pretty early on one match last season?
Who was on that wing for Soton? Assume this means they'll sign for us and get subbed off in the first half of a game a year or so from now8 -
He won POTM in his first month so despite the fact he is a winger and not a wingback he is capable in a wingback system if you’re willing to give up the defensive stability for his attacking threat. Problem is to get that to work you need Bell and Edwards to both be fit to allow Apter to get forward.I’m more confused at the fact we looked as if we went to a 4231 after Apter got subbed and we kept Hernandez on the wing over him.5
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Felt sorry for him yesterday and with the way things are going i wouldn't be surprised if he puts in a transfer request in January. Unless Jones changes the way he sets up (highly unlikely) then he's very rarely going to feature and if i'm Apter i'm definitely considering my future.
If he isn't going to be played in a position that utilises his strengths (ie. an attacking role) then there's really not much point him being here.3 -
Wouldn’t be surprised if we try to bring in Fukuda and Bree in January loan out Apter to an Oxford/QPR for 6 months and try and recoup our money next summer1
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The issue with dropping TC for Apter is the lopsided way we play.
Early in the season we'd essentially play
_______________Kaminski
___Ramsay _____Jones___ Bell
_________Docherty Coventry______ Edwards
Apter___________ Carey
________________Kelman ________TC
So Apter pushing right up, Edwards not as far forward, TC moving wide left, Ramsay occupying the half space between RB and RCB, creating a weird 352/4231 hybrid.
If you reverse that, with Apter playing instead of TC, you'd need to rethink the whole thing. The players we have in the squad currently, the best bet would be
________________Kaminski
______Burke______ Jones_____ Bell
Bree_______ Docherty Coventry
_________________Carey ___________Edwards
Apter __________Kelman
But we don't have a super attacking LWB at the club, unless you play TC there instead of Edwards.
And it's all moot anyway when you consider you need Bell, Burke, Edwards and Kelman to all be fit for it to work anyway5 -
I guarantee if you played that, Apter would produce a lot more than TC does . When Bree and Bell have played wing back, it’s not been that lopsided this year so I’m not worried about Edwards and Bree as wing backs.! I feel sorry for Apter - you could argue he could have tracked Manning better but Hernandez’s attempts at defending on the other side were woefulsam3110 said:The issue with dropping TC for Apter is the lopsided way we play.
Early in the season we'd essentially play
_______________Kaminski
___Ramsay _____Jones___ Bell
_________Docherty Coventry______ Edwards
Apter___________ Carey
________________Kelman ________TC
So Apter pushing right up, Edwards not as far forward, TC moving wide left, Ramsay occupying the half space between RB and RCB, creating a weird 352/4231 hybrid.
If you reverse that, with Apter playing instead of TC, you'd need to rethink the whole thing. The players we have in the squad currently, the best bet would be
________________Kaminski
______Burke______ Jones_____ Bell
Bree_______ Docherty Coventry
_________________Carey ___________Edwards
Apter __________Kelman
But we don't have a super attacking LWB at the club, unless you play TC there instead of Edwards.
And it's all moot anyway when you consider you need Bell, Burke, Edwards and Kelman to all be fit for it to work anyway2 -
The easy solution to that is to play TC/Hernandez at LWB but you would need either Bell or Edwards at LCB, it doesn’t work with the immobile Gillesphey theresam3110 said:The issue with dropping TC for Apter is the lopsided way we play.
Early in the season we'd essentially play
_______________Kaminski
___Ramsay _____Jones___ Bell
_________Docherty Coventry______ Edwards
Apter___________ Carey
________________Kelman ________TC
So Apter pushing right up, Edwards not as far forward, TC moving wide left, Ramsay occupying the half space between RB and RCB, creating a weird 352/4231 hybrid.
If you reverse that, with Apter playing instead of TC, you'd need to rethink the whole thing. The players we have in the squad currently, the best bet would be
________________Kaminski
______Burke______ Jones_____ Bell
Bree_______ Docherty Coventry
_________________Carey ___________Edwards
Apter __________Kelman
But we don't have a super attacking LWB at the club, unless you play TC there instead of Edwards.
And it's all moot anyway when you consider you need Bell, Burke, Edwards and Kelman to all be fit for it to work anyway0 -
Unfortunately for Rob Apter he chose the wrong club to come to 🤷🏻♂️
I must have had my crystal ball or possibly my youth manager's brain plugged in because as soon as I saw his video when he was and is a talented player with the ball at his feet I thought he needs to be an attacking player as there was no defensive play just in attacking mode and I stated after his good debut and his first few games as a wing back that it will end in tears if either Ramsey doesn't play to cover him or if a Championship team hit form on the day and expose the defensive weaknesses out wide as it's not quantum mechanics when a move breaks down around the oppositions box then a wing back can't get back in time to cover the fast transition. The Saints were excellent, Cafc disjointed and the rest is history.
Sheer carnage resulted with everyone out of shape and form.
Losing Edwards, Bell on the left of defence is a big blow and Bree on the right who's form had dipped but is better defensively obviously than a player like Rob who's skills are going forward.
Excellent corner from Apter early on and a couple of good crosses but he was exposed for the 1st or 2nd it was difficult to keep count as we were exposed on the wings and down the middle.
Finally yesterday Nathan admitted that having two wingers/attacking wide players trying to do defensive duties isn't ideal !
Injuries yet again have affected a good start but no bull shit from me but Rob Apter and agent chose the wrong club if we carry on playing 'this way.'
'This way' had given CAFC a better start than most thought but reality is a bastard.
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Clearly not a wing back so I have no idea why we’ve signed him.1
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Not sure why everyone is saying he doesn’t fit the system. He was our best player in August playing in that exact system
All he needs is us to have a defensive LWB available so that he can be much more attacking from the right
He’s been unlucky that Bree joined and was very good, and then Edwards and Bell both being injured means we don’t have the balance for Apter to be effective
He definitely can fit the system, we literally saw it. The problem at the moment is with no Edwards or Bell available we can’t actually play our normal system16 -
Can't play him instead of TC because TC os our only attacking outlet half the time and what relies in his pace, Apter hasn't got much pace and would need fast runners into the box which we dont have.0
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Definitely agree he can play in this system but do find it strange NJ would gamble so much money on a player who’s reliance on whether he can play effectively or not is determined by the availability of other players rather than his qualityNabySarr said:Not sure why everyone is saying he doesn’t fit the system. He was our best player in August playing in that exact system
All he needs is us to have a defensive LWB available so that he can be much more attacking from the right
He’s been unlucky that Bree joined and was very good, and then Edwards and Bell both being injured means we don’t have the balance for Apter to be effective
He definitely can fit the system, we literally saw it. The problem at the moment is with no Edwards or Bell available we can’t actually play our normal system1 -
But that’s how good teams fit together, they cover each other’s weaknesses and allow strengths to shine. Poor teams are less likely to have a system and players that fit together so well.Crispywood said:
Definitely agree he can play in this system but do find it strange NJ would gamble so much money on a player who’s reliance on whether he can play effectively or not is determined by the availability of other players rather than his qualityNabySarr said:Not sure why everyone is saying he doesn’t fit the system. He was our best player in August playing in that exact system
All he needs is us to have a defensive LWB available so that he can be much more attacking from the right
He’s been unlucky that Bree joined and was very good, and then Edwards and Bell both being injured means we don’t have the balance for Apter to be effective
He definitely can fit the system, we literally saw it. The problem at the moment is with no Edwards or Bell available we can’t actually play our normal system
The reverse is true for Apter, his attacking play allowed Edwards to sit deeper and have lower expectations for what he needs to add in attack.6 -
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New Cawley article out this morning - sounds like NJ still sees him as a good option in the hybrid RWB/RW role, but only with the balance of a defensive LWB on the other side.6
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Nathan needs to stop pinching my thoughts, seeing I said just that on the James Bree thread yesterdayScoham said:New Cawley article out this morning - sounds like NJ still sees him as a good option in the hybrid RWB/RW role, but only with the balance of a defensive LWB on the other side.
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hermann said:The plan at the start of the season was having more of a defensive lwb in Edwards with Apter being the more attacking RWB / in the Small role.At the moment Bree is fulfilling the Edwards role on the right and we're trying some inverted LWB options to give us the same structure but the other way round.The only way we could maintain the same balance at the mo would be to play Bree on his wrong side or a youth product like Enslin over there.I know he was out of the team a few games before but I reckon Apter is probably a victim of the Edwards and Bell injuries more than anything else“If I had Josh Edwards and Amari’i fit then I can play Rob Apter in that position, not a problem whatsoever. At the moment, it is slightly different"ITK confirmed 😎4
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Played well in that LWB position today - not his natural position but he has the left foot to bring balance to the side and others were better for it. Couple of decent corners swung in and beat his man on occasion too.You wonder why it took so long to try it - was it because of the tough run of away fixtures and Oxford at home was seen as a slightly easier opportunity to give it a go?13
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Very likely because Rowett was known to play five at the back away from home. Good tactical switch from NJ, so he deserves praise (and also for not freezing him out).It was nice to see his ball-keeping and playing skills alongside more tenacity today.9
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Looked like he’d bulked up a bit to me2
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Today makes me wonder why the hell he hasn't played on the left before today, it has been a gaping position for weeks0
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IR94 said:Today makes me wonder why the hell he hasn't played on the left before today, it has been a gaping position for weeksDepends what Jones is seeing in training, as well though...?We got told by Blackpool fans before he joined with them constantly saying that he wasn't a Wing-Back and we've seen evidence of that this season - As a result, we may think (with his absense in matches) that Jones has given up on him, but instead of giving up on him, Jones may just have seen him a lot as someone who just needed to work a lot on the training pitch to fine tune things.To be fair also helped today, that Oxford werent exactly a threat down that flank, there have been games in the recent bad run, where teams have absolutely terrorised us down that side, and had Apter played Left Wing-Back against those teams today, it could have been a different story.3
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IR94 said:Today makes me wonder why the hell he hasn't played on the left before today, it has been a gaping position for weeks
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I thought he had a pretty good game today for a player that didn’t necessarily suit the position he was playing in. When we finally get our act back on track he is going to play a pivotal role.0
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Did a solid job today biggest thing I was impressed with was beating Spencer who’s a big lad to a header at the back post in the first half to stop a big chance, he may not be a natural defender but can’t fault his commitment to the role. Obviously looks more comfortable off the right but he’s definitely looked better in that role than a few others we’ve tried there4
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Looked lively, and a welcome addition.4
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Thought he did quite well yesterday and made me think he should've been given a go there sooner. Looked a lot better than Hernandez that's for sure, although i do accept the opposition weren't the best.0
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So now it's January.
What're the plans for Apter long term?
Not sure why we signed him if it's clear he's in the Campbell mode of not fitting in stylistically with our formation plans.
Least with Campbell Jones has tried to shoehorn in wherever he can, seems Apter doesn't benefit from the same goodwill.
Shame really as I thought he was one of the bright spots from our early good form this season.4 -
Apter has a better chance of playing wing back when we have Edwards and/or a new LWB available. Understandably NJ won’t start with two wingers at WB.SELR_addicks said:So now it's January.
What're the plans for Apter long term?
Not sure why we signed him if it's clear he's in the Campbell mode of not fitting in stylistically with our formation plans.
Least with Campbell Jones has tried to shoehorn in wherever he can, seems Apter doesn't benefit from the same goodwill.
Shame really as I thought he was one of the bright spots from our early good form this season.6
