Parky (assistant to Pardew so knew the players) had a worse points per game record than Pardew in our relegation season and managed the team for more than half the season (think it was 28 league games he managed us that season) That was as lame as an attempt at staving off relegation as you're ever likely to see And that is as big a reason as any for his low ratings as any , he was part of the problem and was never gonna be the cure in that most pathetic of all seasons
I am sure we've debated this before!
The point is that by the time Parkinson took over the die was cast - we had ONE centre half (the error prone Hudson) in the squad and even had to play Matt Holland there. All 5' 5" of him.
The kitty was totally empty and we were reduced to bringing in journeymen like Matt Spring, Darren Ward and Tresor Fucking Kandol FFS just to get an XI on the park.
Probably the worst season the club had been through since 1984 or thereabouts both on and off the pitch and I am pretty sure even Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley couldn't have done much more than Parkinson.
Seriously, what on earth more could he have done with the resources he had?
How can a manager who took us to the bottom of the table and got sacked be rated at the top of anyone's list ? Winning the 3rd division isn't the stuff of immortality.
Geting sacked for refusing to play rubbish players brought in against your wishes seems pretty respectable to me. So does finishing ninth in the Championship with a largely League One squad.
There's no useful comparison to be made with people who only stuck around for six months or less. It's a bit like having Allan Simonsen as your best-ever Charlton player.
I don’t think Luzon has done much wrong, and he had to swim against the tide when he started, but didn’t have long so it feels a bit harsh rating him at this stage – so I’m holding my fire as if he continues as he did last season, he would be a firm no1. But will he?
1. Chris Powell – For buying a whole new team that was good enough to become League One Champions and be a great platform for the Championship. A real shame he wasn’t backed after finishing 9th – but typical of Charlton from a supporters perspective. Ok, with the club lacking a proverbial pot to pee in things went a bit belly up, but we got to a FA Cup quarter final and Riga kept us up largely with Powell’s players. My criticism of him was that he could be a little too cautious sometimes – I think this approach loses you more points than it wins you over a significant period. 2. Jose Riga - Did a fantastic job, only it wasn’t for very long which is the only reason I have him below Powell. What impressed me was that he wasn’t afraid not to play the network players (which who knows, may have ultimately cost him the job) and how he realised that with the squad he had- the importance of targeting games. He seemed to be a manager the players enjoyed playing under and who could get the best out of them. 3. Bob Peeters – I felt a bit sorry for Bob. I think he managed to put a decent side together and it was pretty clear to everybody, the squad needed just a little strengthening in certain areas. We shouldn’t forget that we were the last Championship side to taste defeat. Same critisim of Powell in that over caution cost us points. However, I think he was unhappy that the network didn’t allow the deficiencies in the squad to be addressed and who know what might have happened had they done so. Bringing in a few new faces when we did certainly had an impact but it was far too late. Maybe he was a bit too emotional at times but he is a young passionate manager. I liked him. 4. Phil Parkinson – Was never truly accepted by fans but got the job when the club was a shambles on and off the pitch. Received some guilt by association being Pardew’s assistant but had a decent stab at getting us up without great resources and massive deficiencies in the balance of the squad to address. Wasn’t given a chance by new owners when Powell was appointed, but I think he was a decent enough manager, with League One being his level. 5. Ian Dowie – I don’t blame him for our demise as many do. Whilst we are struggling at the bottom of the table, the team were playing for him. I believe the reason he was sacked was that he wanted to be a more traditional manager than the head coach role he was appointed to. And that Les Reed stabbed him in the back a bit. People point to his signings, but the truth as I remember it was that there wasn’t any decent players available – and Diawara and Reid were excellent signings in my opinion. What got us relegated was the club policy which was ditched when Pardew took over and Reeds disasterous spell. 6. Alan Pardew – Started well – remember a 4-0 thrashing of Curbishley’s West Ham and it looked good. A few things went against us and it slipped again. I don’t blame Pardew for that. The next season wasn’t a disaster either, until we sold Reid and bought Gray. Iwelumo was a better bet than Gray but we had to play him as he was expensive, and we missed Reid big time. I’m not sure how much of this was Pardew’s fault – I’m sure he didn’t want to sell Reid but he must have wanted to buy Gray which is one of the worst signings I can remember! Then the next season we had a totally unbalanced squad and Pardew had lost the plot completely. I have always found it difficult to work out how much was his fault and how much was Murray’s. He probably could have been better supported, and he has shown since that under the right circumstances he wasn’t a bad manager.
Parky (assistant to Pardew so knew the players) had a worse points per game record than Pardew in our relegation season and managed the team for more than half the season (think it was 28 league games he managed us that season) That was as lame as an attempt at staving off relegation as you're ever likely to see And that is as big a reason as any for his low ratings as any , he was part of the problem and was never gonna be the cure in that most pathetic of all seasons
I am sure we've debated this before!
The point is that by the time Parkinson took over the die was cast - we had ONE centre half (the error prone Hudson) in the squad and even had to play Matt Holland there. All 5' 5" of him.
The kitty was totally empty and we were reduced to bringing in journeymen like Matt Spring, Darren Ward and Tresor Fucking Kandol FFS just to get an XI on the park.
Probably the worst season the club had been through since 1984 or thereabouts both on and off the pitch and I am pretty sure even Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley couldn't have done much more than Parkinson.
Seriously, what on earth more could he have done with the resources he had?
maybe done better than Pardew with those players no one could have done worse than Parky did in that period
i think he did a decent job afterwards , although his non playing of Shelvey was a bit wibble , but the reason he'll always get knocked back a bit was for playing as major a part as anyone in that most pathetic of seasons
Parkinson was an ok manager but his problem was he didn't have much guile at turning things round. We concede first and we probably lose the game. Scp was better than this but he would only wait till very late on to make a change. He is the best manager tho because he was here for 3 years whereas dowie was here for 12 games. Scp won promotion and a 9th place finish along with a cup quarter final. But Riga was incredible, how did he not stay.
No new manager bounce and presided over Charlton's worst EVER winless streak. (Not Parky's fault and makes him worthy of a top spot) oh, and we got relegated and persisted as a mid table league one side until his rightful demise.
Missed automatic promotion from League One by two points in his first full season, but you know that's just those boring old fact things getting in the way.
That season the three teams above us were Norwich - they had Grant Holt - Millwall - they had Steve Morison - and Leeds - they had Jermaine Beckford.
Charlton? An over the hill and semi fit Deon Burton.
Oh, and when Powell took over we went from Play Offs to bottom half of the table - underlining that Parkinson was getting the players to massively over perform.
Parky went backwards every season he was associated with the club, as assistant and as manager...
Would be good to see the win ratio/% against each manager.
Riga has the best win percentage 43.8, followed by Powell 40.7, Luzon 40.0 and Parkinson 37.5. But your post set me thinking that in a league situation (these stats don't include cup games) the important thing is points per game and average goal difference. Points Per Game, Powell and Riga Share pole position with averages of 1.5ppg. Next come Parkinson 1.47 and Luzon 1.45. There's then a fair gap to Peeters, whose record is marred by so many draws, and Pardew. Dowie's ppg rating is an appalling 0.67; a little over half as good as the next worst managers! Guy Luzon's attacking brand of football has reaped the best goal difference per game, followed by Chris Powell and Phil Parkinson. Then come Pardew, Riga and Peeters, and bringing up the rear is Dowie who managed the twin feat of managing a team that was shot shy and defensively frail. If there's on thing that can be said in favour of ID it is that we were playing a lot better opposition in his day, but then he did have a budget that most of the others could only dream of.
12 games for Dowie against top Prem as well in that start is not a fair example to judge him on Yes he's a bell but don't forget he got us to a League Cup quarter final against the mighty Wycombe , the best we've ever done in that competition before Les Reed's remarkable work, as manager, ended that run
1. Chris Powell 2. Jose Riga 3. Phil Parkinson 4. Guy Luzon 5. Bob Peeters 6. Alan Pardew 7. Iain Dowie - by a long way! Should not really be on the list at all.
It's funny isn't it. I watch Dowie do his reporting at matches on Sky and say to my boy 'he's a nice fella but can you imagine him being your manager? !!' It's quite laughable really. Coincidently, my boy was the CAFC mascot on that freezing cold day at Wigan when Dowie got the boot after the 3-2 defeat.
Pardew was worse than Dowie. Dowie would have kept us up.
To be fair, with the points per game Pardew was picking up when he came in, there is a stronger argument to say that he would have kept us up if he had come in 2 months earlier.
Pardew was worse than Dowie. Dowie would have kept us up.
To be fair, with the points per game Pardew was picking up when he came in, there is a stronger argument to say that he would have kept us up if he had come in 2 months earlier.
True. But I also think Dowie had just started to get the team going and picking up points, until poor Les was put in charge and we lost any sort of momentum.
As I understand it Igor on his own cost more than Chris Powell had to spend in 3 years. Powell numero uno until Luzon finishes higher than 9th in the Championship. Riga third. Argue about Peeters and Parkinson, then the rest
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The point is that by the time Parkinson took over the die was cast - we had ONE centre half (the error prone Hudson) in the squad and even had to play Matt Holland there. All 5' 5" of him.
The kitty was totally empty and we were reduced to bringing in journeymen like Matt Spring, Darren Ward and Tresor Fucking Kandol FFS just to get an XI on the park.
Probably the worst season the club had been through since 1984 or thereabouts both on and off the pitch and I am pretty sure even Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley couldn't have done much more than Parkinson.
Seriously, what on earth more could he have done with the resources he had?
2. Guy Luzon
3. Chris Powell
4. Phil Parkinson
5. Bob Peeters
6. Alan Pardew
7. Ian Dowie
There's no useful comparison to be made with people who only stuck around for six months or less. It's a bit like having Allan Simonsen as your best-ever Charlton player.
1. Chris Powell – For buying a whole new team that was good enough to become League One Champions and be a great platform for the Championship. A real shame he wasn’t backed after finishing 9th – but typical of Charlton from a supporters perspective. Ok, with the club lacking a proverbial pot to pee in things went a bit belly up, but we got to a FA Cup quarter final and Riga kept us up largely with Powell’s players. My criticism of him was that he could be a little too cautious sometimes – I think this approach loses you more points than it wins you over a significant period.
2. Jose Riga - Did a fantastic job, only it wasn’t for very long which is the only reason I have him below Powell. What impressed me was that he wasn’t afraid not to play the network players (which who knows, may have ultimately cost him the job) and how he realised that with the squad he had- the importance of targeting games. He seemed to be a manager the players enjoyed playing under and who could get the best out of them.
3. Bob Peeters – I felt a bit sorry for Bob. I think he managed to put a decent side together and it was pretty clear to everybody, the squad needed just a little strengthening in certain areas. We shouldn’t forget that we were the last Championship side to taste defeat. Same critisim of Powell in that over caution cost us points. However, I think he was unhappy that the network didn’t allow the deficiencies in the squad to be addressed and who know what might have happened had they done so. Bringing in a few new faces when we did certainly had an impact but it was far too late. Maybe he was a bit too emotional at times but he is a young passionate manager. I liked him.
4. Phil Parkinson – Was never truly accepted by fans but got the job when the club was a shambles on and off the pitch. Received some guilt by association being Pardew’s assistant but had a decent stab at getting us up without great resources and massive deficiencies in the balance of the squad to address. Wasn’t given a chance by new owners when Powell was appointed, but I think he was a decent enough manager, with League One being his level.
5. Ian Dowie – I don’t blame him for our demise as many do. Whilst we are struggling at the bottom of the table, the team were playing for him. I believe the reason he was sacked was that he wanted to be a more traditional manager than the head coach role he was appointed to. And that Les Reed stabbed him in the back a bit. People point to his signings, but the truth as I remember it was that there wasn’t any decent players available – and Diawara and Reid were excellent signings in my opinion. What got us relegated was the club policy which was ditched when Pardew took over and Reeds disasterous spell.
6. Alan Pardew – Started well – remember a 4-0 thrashing of Curbishley’s West Ham and it looked good. A few things went against us and it slipped again. I don’t blame Pardew for that. The next season wasn’t a disaster either, until we sold Reid and bought Gray. Iwelumo was a better bet than Gray but we had to play him as he was expensive, and we missed Reid big time. I’m not sure how much of this was Pardew’s fault – I’m sure he didn’t want to sell Reid but he must have wanted to buy Gray which is one of the worst signings I can remember! Then the next season we had a totally unbalanced squad and Pardew had lost the plot completely. I have always found it difficult to work out how much was his fault and how much was Murray’s. He probably could have been better supported, and he has shown since that under the right circumstances he wasn’t a bad manager.
no one could have done worse than Parky did in that period
i think he did a decent job afterwards , although his non playing of Shelvey was a bit wibble , but the reason he'll always get knocked back a bit was for playing as major a part as anyone in that most pathetic of seasons
Yes he's a bell but don't forget he got us to a League Cup quarter final against the mighty Wycombe , the best we've ever done in that competition before Les Reed's remarkable work, as manager, ended that run