Overall I think Yann is slightly better than Lyle. Different players though, they would be a brilliant partnership
It's interesting that of the players we lost back to the Championship on relegation, the defenders (Lockyer and Sarr) have been a lot more successful than the strikers (Taylor and Bonne). Maybe it's because there's more pressure on a striker. Start badly as a striker, you lose your confidence and may struggle to get another proper chance in the team.
The main difference between the two was that I never loved Taylor. I thought he was great, I was happy to have him, but he was just another very good player. I loved Yann potentially more than I have ever loved or will ever love anything again. Roland could have taken us to the Champions League final after our 8th consecutive Premier League title win and I still never would have forgiven him for selling Yann off.
He hasn't started a game since the 15th of December and they've since brought in Murray so I'd be surprised if he started another game this season
I think there's a good chance of him being shipped out this summer and with that record as a 31 year old he'll struggle to find a championship club imo
I wonder if Bowyer would take him back as part of the summer rebuild? I personally wouldn’t want him back but I wonder if Bowyer feels he was so important that he can overlook what happened.
I'd love to have him back. Even though he screwed us over. Would I like Stockley & Taylor up front or Aneke and Taylor up front for the rest of the season? Yes I would, it's like asking do you want to get promoted, answering yes or no.
Apart from the fact Taylor now has his comfortable pay whether he does well or not he is also a player who absolutely craves a crowd. He used the opposition jeers to gee himself up. He is one player that I suspect would get a bit bored playing in an empty stadium and struggle for motivation and the same level of desire which drive so much of his game.
Taking a tumble with 20,000 forest fans screaming for a penalty, or take a tumble to an empty stadium = potentially different result.
I think we should move on from Taylor, didn't want to play for us, so i don't want him in the team. We have all moved to jobs for more money, no different really.
He hasn't started a game since the 15th of December and they've since brought in Murray so I'd be surprised if he started another game this season
I think there's a good chance of him being shipped out this summer and with that record as a 31 year old he'll struggle to find a championship club imo
I wonder if Bowyer would take him back as part of the summer rebuild? I personally wouldn’t want him back but I wonder if Bowyer feels he was so important that he can overlook what happened.
I'd love to have him back. Even though he screwed us over. Would I like Stockley & Taylor up front or Aneke and Taylor up front for the rest of the season? Yes i would, it's like asking do you want to get promoted, answering yes or no.
Shamefully I would take him back as well. Despite him being a complete tosser for what he did, he was something that we lack at the moment —a talisman. He is the sort of player that makes the difference between winning and losing. The other side of that coin is that he was the difference between staying up and getting relegated.....
But in true fickle football fan style, i’d have him back in a heartbeat at the moment.
Did I just hear Bonne mentioned in the same thread as Yann Kermorgant ....... perleeeeeeeease wash your mouth out son , Bonne's not fit to clean the boots of Yann
Yann was brilliant as a target man for us, combined being a beast with class and flair, a rare combination. He then did it again at Bournemouth. They played better football than us, they used him more as a 10 to link the play rather than battle in the air against centre backs. Either way he was just as good and could play either role or somewhere in between comfortably. Great all round player, pace was the main thing he lacked.
Taylor was also very good all round, he had that pace that Yann didn't, so as well as dropping deep he was effective getting in behind and particularly drifting out wide. The diamond with Grant and some of the midfielders we had that year was perfect for him. The difference that pace makes is easy to underestimate, though Yann made up for it by being better in the air, more dangerous from free kicks and a more creative passer.
I wonder if Taylor still has the same hunger now he's got the big contract he was after. Don't blame him for going after what is probably the only big contract he'll get during his career, but I'll never agree with the way he left. Just one goal from him might have kept us up.
On overall ability the gap between them was closer than many will admit. The difference is Yann maintained that level of performance over a longer period and for more than one club. Taylor looks unlikely to get back to the level he was at and I doubt that bothers him too much.
Yann will always be remembered for what he achieved with us, Taylor will be remembered for the way he let us down.
I seriously think he will be loaned to Millwall! Forest will probably want to get rid of Taylor at the end of the season. Millwall really need a decent striker but can't afford the crazy prices. So they may wangle a move for Taylor on loan paying half his wages.
For me Taylor was in a different league to yann, far better
You are either in a wind up, or never saw Yann play. Taylor was excellent for us, but not on the same page as the other fella.
Or it's just possible I have a different opinion, crazy concept i know.
Yann Vs Taylor isn’t a matter of subjective opinion though, it’s a pure indisputable fact that Yann was the better player, both in and out of a Charlton shirt. Sorry.
If Forest made him available for a loan in the summer and Sandgaard was prepared to pay the loan fee and % of his wages, who would be happy to have him back?
Yann was brilliant as a target man for us, combined being a beast with class and flair, a rare combination. He then did it again at Bournemouth. They played better football than us, they used him more as a 10 to link the play rather than battle in the air against centre backs. Either way he was just as good and could play either role or somewhere in between comfortably. Great all round player, pace was the main thing he lacked.
Taylor was also very good all round, he had that pace that Yann didn't, so as well as dropping deep he was effective getting in behind and particularly drifting out wide. The diamond with Grant and some of the midfielders we had that year was perfect for him. The difference that pace makes is easy to underestimate, though Yann made up for it by being better in the air, more dangerous from free kicks and a more creative passer.
I wonder if Taylor still has the same hunger now he's got the big contract he was after. Don't blame him for going after what is probably the only big contract he'll get during his career, but I'll never agree with the way he left. Just one goal from him might have kept us up.
On overall ability the gap between them was closer than many will admit. The difference is Yann maintained that level of performance over a longer period and for more than one club. Taylor looks unlikely to get back to the level he was at and I doubt that bothers him too much.
Yann will always be remembered for what he achieved with us, Taylor will be remembered for the way he let us down.
I don’t think Taylor will be enjoying empty stadiums. He fed of the stick he would get from opposing fans. He needs to feel like he’s got a point to prove. I don’t think he has that anymore.
His agent got him more money. Taylor is not a Charlton fan, he's a professional footballer. Half a dozen bad games and there would be 5000 posts on the Has Lyle Taylor Lost It? thread. If we think then long term Taylor would have made more money by staying and developing as a footballer then fair enough.
He's not even a Football fan, he's admitted himself that he doesnt "get" the whole tribalism of the sport
It's ok to have a unique opinion and go against the regime. Nothing wrong with it and it can be a form of entertainment. The nutcase will always thrive.
Lyle is just a bit lost though.
He doesn't play football for anyone, other then himself and It's boring. A championship footballer player that thinks he's a maverick and or a philosopher. I doubt he has any mates in that forest dressing room.
If you want to go down that road, fair enough, up to you.
The non football fan quote is just a defence mechanism because he does actually still feel guilty about his betrayal to the club that made him.
He knows he's a knobhead. At least that's something.
Won't ever admit it though.
He feels guilty about leaving? Absolute rubbish, why would he?
If Forest made him available for a loan in the summer and Sandgaard was prepared to pay the loan fee and % of his wages, who would be happy to have him back?
if he scored 30 goals and we stormed the league I wouldn't care (fickle, me, yes)
If Forest made him available for a loan in the summer and Sandgaard was prepared to pay the loan fee and % of his wages, who would be happy to have him back?
If Forest made him available for a loan in the summer and Sandgaard was prepared to pay the loan fee and % of his wages, who would be happy to have him back?
No, I want us to build a squad of hungry players with most of them signing with the intention to be here for the longer term and grow with us.
Good to have a few older players but they aren’t the ones you want to build a team around. Taylor would expect to be the main man. He had that chance when he was here and let us down when we really needed him for a handful of games.
If Forest made him available for a loan in the summer and Sandgaard was prepared to pay the loan fee and % of his wages, who would be happy to have him back?
If forest make Murray permanent Taylor will be on his way no doubt, struggling championship side my bet, struggling as in lower end budget. Rotherham, Millwall, Coventry.
If Forest made him available for a loan in the summer and Sandgaard was prepared to pay the loan fee and % of his wages, who would be happy to have him back?
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It's interesting that of the players we lost back to the Championship on relegation, the defenders (Lockyer and Sarr) have been a lot more successful than the strikers (Taylor and Bonne). Maybe it's because there's more pressure on a striker. Start badly as a striker, you lose your confidence and may struggle to get another proper chance in the team.
Judas twat
Wouldn’t want him back however good he would be in this division.
Even though he screwed us over.
Would I like Stockley & Taylor up front or Aneke and Taylor up front for the rest of the season?
Yes I would, it's like asking do you want to get promoted, answering yes or no.
Chuks is on 12 goals already this season so two more and he will surpass Taylors scoring record.
Taking a tumble with 20,000 forest fans screaming for a penalty, or take a tumble to an empty stadium = potentially different result.
We have all moved to jobs for more money, no different really.
But in true fickle football fan style, i’d have him back in a heartbeat at the moment.
Who would I rather have in my team, at their peak? Probably a toss up to be honest. Both preferably.
If Southall had sold Taylor last January, or Roland had sold him to Brentford this wouldn't have even been a conversation IMO.
Taylor was also very good all round, he had that pace that Yann didn't, so as well as dropping deep he was effective getting in behind and particularly drifting out wide. The diamond with Grant and some of the midfielders we had that year was perfect for him. The difference that pace makes is easy to underestimate, though Yann made up for it by being better in the air, more dangerous from free kicks and a more creative passer.
I wonder if Taylor still has the same hunger now he's got the big contract he was after. Don't blame him for going after what is probably the only big contract he'll get during his career, but I'll never agree with the way he left. Just one goal from him might have kept us up.
On overall ability the gap between them was closer than many will admit. The difference is Yann maintained that level of performance over a longer period and for more than one club. Taylor looks unlikely to get back to the level he was at and I doubt that bothers him too much.
Yann will always be remembered for what he achieved with us, Taylor will be remembered for the way he let us down.
The effort he put in rubbed on on the other players and they responded to it.
Good to have a few older players but they aren’t the ones you want to build a team around. Taylor would expect to be the main man. He had that chance when he was here and let us down when we really needed him for a handful of games.