We work very closely with the F1 community and have been told by senior guys at Mercedes that Lewis Hamilton asked to have his pay frozen for three months. That’s £10m - a proportion of which has gone to local hospital and nhs charities and the rest to keep his team on full pay. But he hasn’t gone public about it.
on the flip side his team mate Valterri Bottas is still on full pay. Just something I have been told by a team member. How accurate it is... I can only assume it is.
Gary Lineker. A terrific striker who had few detractors whilst playing but who, despite being the genial host of MOTD, seems to rub a lot of people up the wrong way. Maybe it’s due to his Twitter activity? I don’t do Twitter so wouldn’t know but I have also heard from some who’ve worked with him at the BBC that he is a bit of a sleazeball.
That said, from personal experience when I took him to Euston a few months ago he came across as a nice fella, happy to talk football all the way and a decent tip
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Golfers and tennis players are self employed and aren't earning anything (outside of endorsements) right now.
And footballers aren't working right now but on full pay whilst the guy that washes their kits is at home on 80% pay.
The furloughing is ok - a furloughed employee gets 80% of their salary and currently doesn't have to travel to work, can't go to the pub, cinema, out to eat, go on holiday.
It's the very fact taxpayers money perhaps should only be used when clubs genuinely can't afford to pay them.
Senior executives at clubs and top players- if they a just took a 5% pay cut could keep ALL administration staff on full pay, sitting at home and not ask the government for a hand out.....
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
There are a lot more footballers for a start, and some awfully mediocre players earning millions a year...
Those other professions are generally "result" driven. Tennis players don't earn a salary, they have to win prize money, actors get paid a lot only if their films/tv shows are successful, rock stars earn their money if they sell/stream lots of music and do lots of successful tours.
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
There are a lot more footballers for a start, and some awfully mediocre players earning millions a year...
Those other professions are generally "result" driven. Tennis players don't earn a salary, they have to win prize money, actors get paid a lot only if their films/tv shows are successful, rock stars earn their money if they sell/stream lots of music and do lots of successful tours.
You’ve conveniently missed out the second part of my post. You don’t become a Premier League footballer by mistake, it takes an incredible amount of determination and natural ability, even to be a mediocre Premier League player.
We work very closely with the F1 community and have been told by senior guys at Mercedes that Lewis Hamilton asked to have his pay frozen for three months. That’s £10m - a proportion of which has gone to local hospital and nhs charities and the rest to keep his team on full pay. But he hasn’t gone public about it.
on the flip side his team mate Valterri Bottas is still on full pay. Just something I have been good by a team member. How accurate it is... I can only assume it is.
Lewis Hamilton is a decent fella. Lineker quite frankly is a self absorbed c**t.
Ok , so if a footballer is on £200k a month shouldn’t he be paying £100k of that to the tax man . if said footballer reduces his salary to £50k a month tax man gets £25k instead of £100k ? Sounds like tax man loses as well as player and club wins .... obviously these figures are basic guff but you get the gist
That said, if a club is having to furlough all their non playing staff in order to protect their jobs that suggests that the club would be in financial trouble if they were not to utilise the government's scheme. Why then why are they not automatically reducing all the players' salary too?
Alternatively, clubs could reduce their squad accordingly - and rather than sack a player which would incur costs, simply not re-sign a replacement for someone whose contract is up in a couple of months time. Over 30 players have played for Spurs this season so losing one shouldn't really be a problem should it?
@JohnBoyUK has mentioned what a waste of space NDombele is. If they sold him at the end of the season the reduction in wage would not preserve one non playing job. On his wages of £200k per week It would save no less than 346 non playing jobs - and that is based on the maximum furlough payment of £2,500 per month.
People question why the spotlight is being shone on footballers. It's being shone specifically Premier League footballers and their Union for dragging their feet on this issue but also those who are taking the pxxx, for want of a better word, out of society - the Levys, the Ashleys, the Bransons, the Martins etc etc.
We will, undoubtedly, see a correction in the amount that football will receive from Joe Public after this. I won't be renewing BT and others no doubt will do the same with Sky too. People will wake up to the fact that they are paying £100 a ticket to go and watch four or five shots on target a game. Then the PL will not get the sort of money it once did.
Ashley doesnt get it at all. Tried to say why Sports Direct should have been allowed to remain open as an "essential service".
Levy similar. 7M is out of kilter with the industry pay. CEOs of PL teams - believe 1-2M is the norm. Know for a fact Levy was the highest paid PL director in 2018.
Good to see @JohnBoyUK taking a hard line with his own team, respect that.
It shouldn't surprise us that businessman, who have made their whole career out of squeezing the pips, continue to do so despite the current focus to work together and not be selfish.
Don't think there would even be a discussion if Spurs, Newcastle and others hadn't decided to furlough staff. That stinks, but I feel the players are getting the brunt of anger better directed at Levy and Ashley.
They should have come forward themselves earlier though
It's not as if the players will be unaware of what's going on. I can understand it in normal circumstances, when they are completely preoccupied with matches, training and travelling, but for 3 weeks they've been basically bumming around at home. Taking Spurs as an example, Harry Kane seems a decent and intelligent person, and if he (as Captain) didn't think of proposing a pay cut by the players to pay for the other staff, surely his agent and sports management should have been prompting and organising it, seeing that they get paid loads of money to basically run the off field lives of footballers.
Levy might be a money grabbing **** but the players, agents and PFA needed to take a moral lead themselves much earlier. Especially when players at other top European clubs had already done this. Indeed the players at Union Berlin have given up ALL their salary to ensure the club survives
I doubt Kane knew that Levy was going to furlough staff, he isn't a senior member of the business and when the owner is worth considerably more than him, why should Kane come forward a propose a pay cut?
Saying that, if Levy had approached the players to take a small pay cut beforehand I'm sure they would have done. There are obvious reasons why he wouldn't/ didn't do that.
The players aren't the problem. Club owners and CEOs are abusing a government welfare initiative and the government should be looking at ways to stop this. I don't want to pay tax to bailout some companies who can afford to pay their staff but just don't want to.
Golden Boot winner, 3rd top scorer for his country, scored a hat-trick in El Classico.
Blokes a legend.
saw him play just the once live for Spurs, must have been at the very end of the 1980s, possibly 1990 .. he scored a hat trick. 3-2 v QPR .. the QPR scorer ? .. player manager Trevor Francis got 2 .. legends both .. Lineker, great footballer, and much loved now as a media luvvie' .. I just do not like the way he portrays and has portrayed himself at all, too slick and smug by far .. I rarely watch MOD .. bear in mind all you who do that Auntie Beeb keeps it's 'talent' on the screen until they metaphorically drop .. so you're stuck with Shearer, Wrighty, Linky and other occasionals for a LONG time to come .. enjoy ((:>)
Golden Boot winner, 3rd top scorer for his country, scored a hat-trick in El Classico.
Blokes a legend.
saw him play just the once live for Spurs, must have been at the very end of the 1980s, possibly 1990 .. he scored a hat trick. 3-2 v QPR .. the QPR scorer ? .. player manager Trevor Francis got 2 .. legends both .. Lineker, great footballer, and much loved now as a media luvvie' .. I just do not like the way he portrays and has portrayed himself at all, too slick and smug by far .. I rarely watch MOD .. bear in mind all you who do that Auntie Beeb keeps it's 'talent' on the screen until they metaphorically drop .. so you're stuck with Shearer, Wrighty, Linky and other occasionals for a LONG time to come .. enjoy ((:>)
based on your earlier comment, thought you night have stayed clear of this thread...
Gary Lineker---smug,egotistical and with nothing more to say about football than anyone else. And he wasn't a great footballer--a great striker but the fact that he wasn't booked in his career means he can hardly have made a tackle or defended. Hardly a footballer in the current sense of the word. Now on a never-ending,highly paid contract with BBC as they feel he is the nearest thing to a middle class footballer that they can find. Him and his footballing mates on Match of the Day. Ad infinitum,ad nauseam. No,I don't like him.
Lineker was a brilliant footballer and clearly a good presenter.
Have any of you met him? I have in my work for the Red, White and Black campaign. Given the bloke's political views, you would expect him to be supportive, but no, he didn't want to know and openly sneered and then laughed at John Barnes for associating with Charlton.
Lineker was happy to associate with us when he was paid to be at the re-opening of Sparrows Lane.
Gary Lineker was at the open day of 1990 and not 1987 when the training ground was officially opened
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Because the tabloid press tell them to be.
With a couple of exceptions, basically, if you are socialist minded, you like Lineker, if you are a Tory, you don't. Some of the right wing even re-writing history to try to back up their opinion.
@Lincsaddick@SporadicAddick Lads, cut it out, eh? I know we're all likely to be more on edge than usual, but having a go at each other here isn't helpful. Put the phone/laptop down, go and sit out and enjoy the sunshine in your garden if you've got one, or open up a load of windows and get a bit of fresh air circulating if you haven't.
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Because the tabloid press tell them to be.
With a couple of exceptions, basically, if you are socialist minded, you like Lineker, if you are a Tory, you don't. Some of the right wing even re-writing history to try to back up their opinion.
Guys if you’re gonna have a fight in a car park please can I ask you stay 2m apart and observe social distancing at all times. In this unprecedented time it is up to all of us to practice responsible slapping
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Because the tabloid press tell them to be.
With a couple of exceptions, basically, if you are socialist minded, you like Lineker, if you are a Tory, you don't. Some of the right wing even re-writing history to try to back up their opinion.
Oh come on mate, not you as well?!
What the fuck is going on here?
Don't see much wrong with what I have written mate? I said there were exceptions to my "rule", and read comments that are trying to claim he was not a great player. I have not said it applies to everyone. The bit about the tabloids telling a lot of people how to think is indisputable.
You don't win the Golden Boot at a World Cup or score 30 plus goals in a season in the top tier if you are a poor player.
That said OJ Simpson was a good player in his sport. Didn't make him the best or nicest person in the world though.
Lineker was vociferous many years ago in condemning Will Carling (ex England Rugby Captain) for walking out on a relationship with his sister in law. Years later he (Lineker) walked out on a relationship himself.
I don't like hypocrites trying to tell me how to live my life or vote in referendums.
I suspect others that dislike him may feel the same.
You don't win the Golden Boot at a World Cup or score 30 plus goals in a season in the top tier if you are a poor player.
That said OJ Simpson was a good player in his sport. Didn't make him the best or nicest person in the world though.
Lineker was vociferous many years ago in condemning Will Carling (ex England Rugby Captain) for walking out on a relationship with his sister in law. Years later he (Lineker) walked out on a relationship himself.
I don't like hypocrites trying to tell me how to live my life or vote in referendums.
I suspect others that dislike him may feel the same.
May well be the case with you Len, many were happy to be told what to do by Farage and Johnson to name just two...
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Because the tabloid press tell them to be.
With a couple of exceptions, basically, if you are socialist minded, you like Lineker, if you are a Tory, you don't. Some of the right wing even re-writing history to try to back up their opinion.
Oh come on mate, not you as well?!
What the fuck is going on here?
Don't see much wrong with what I have written mate? I said there were exceptions to my "rule", and read comments that are trying to claim he was not a great player. I have not said it applies to everyone. The bit about the tabloids telling a lot of people how to think is indisputable.
So if you like Lineker youre left wing and if you dont you're right wing? "With a couple of exceptions"?
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Golfers and tennis players are self employed and aren't earning anything (outside of endorsements) right now.
And footballers aren't working right now but on full pay whilst the guy that washes their kits is at home on 80% pay.
The furloughing is ok - a furloughed employee gets 80% of their salary and currently doesn't have to travel to work, can't go to the pub, cinema, out to eat, go on holiday.
It's the very fact taxpayers money perhaps should only be used when clubs genuinely can't afford to pay them.
Senior executives at clubs and top players- if they a just took a 5% pay cut could keep ALL administration staff on full pay, sitting at home and not ask the government for a hand out.....
I agree but it does seem as though footballers and clubs are being targeted. I’m sure there are going to be many firms out there who could pay their staff but will furlough anyway.
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Golfers and tennis players are self employed and aren't earning anything (outside of endorsements) right now.
And footballers aren't working right now but on full pay whilst the guy that washes their kits is at home on 80% pay.
The furloughing is ok - a furloughed employee gets 80% of their salary and currently doesn't have to travel to work, can't go to the pub, cinema, out to eat, go on holiday.
It's the very fact taxpayers money perhaps should only be used when clubs genuinely can't afford to pay them.
Senior executives at clubs and top players- if they a just took a 5% pay cut could keep ALL administration staff on full pay, sitting at home and not ask the government for a hand out.....
I agree but it does seem as though footballers and clubs are being targeted. I’m sure there are going to be many firms out there who could pay their staff but will furlough anyway.
Maybe but dangerous , if you furlough, there is a reason for doing it. From my perspective alone, I couldn’t afford to pay them.
But there is the obvious legalities....
Other than...potentially furloughing family who may still work and keep silent.
Taking a big risk if a Company furloughs an employee and still asks them to work imo...
Furloughing for footballers, is really serious for the players with their outgoings. Pretty low down in leagues - below national Vanarama level as only 25k paid out if furloughed will potentially be ok.
All clubs are in trouble, to furlough Players on 25k will be extremely concerning for the majority of professional footballers.
Ps. For what it’s worth, the criticism of Lineker is mute for me. Only met him once (golf) and he was a gent. Also grew up watching him play and have great memories 👍
I can never understand why this country is so obsessed with footballers wages. Doesn’t seem to be the same for top golfers, tennis players, F1 drivers, actors or musicians.
I would guess that more people dream of being a footballer when they are young than any other profession, Premier League players (even if they just warm the bench) are at the apex of that profession, the very top of an industry which generates billions every year, they are going to get big bucks.
I can only imagine that the vilification of footballers for their salaries in contrast to others in comparable professions is because of their predominantly working class backgrounds.
Golfers and tennis players are self employed and aren't earning anything (outside of endorsements) right now.
And footballers aren't working right now but on full pay whilst the guy that washes their kits is at home on 80% pay.
The furloughing is ok - a furloughed employee gets 80% of their salary and currently doesn't have to travel to work, can't go to the pub, cinema, out to eat, go on holiday.
It's the very fact taxpayers money perhaps should only be used when clubs genuinely can't afford to pay them.
Senior executives at clubs and top players- if they a just took a 5% pay cut could keep ALL administration staff on full pay, sitting at home and not ask the government for a hand out.....
I agree but it does seem as though footballers and clubs are being targeted. I’m sure there are going to be many firms out there who could pay their staff but will furlough anyway.
Maybe but dangerous , if you furlough, there is a reason for doing it. From my perspective alone, I couldn’t afford to pay them.
But there is the obvious legalities....
Other than...potentially furloughing family who may still work and keep silent.
Taking a big risk if a Company furloughs an employee and still asks them to work imo...
Furloughing for footballers, is really serious for the players with their outgoings. Pretty low down in leagues - below national Vanarama level as only 25k paid out if furloughed will potentially be ok.
All clubs are in trouble, to furlough Players on 25k will be extremely concerning for the majority of professional footballers.
Ps. For what it’s worth, the criticism of Lineker is mute for me. Only met him once (golf) and he was a gent. Also grew up watching him play and have great memories 👍
I just mean big companies who have temporarily closed. Like football clubs they will furlough staff even though they don’t need the money.
For what it’s worth I don’t think the players should take a pay cut given the massive amounts of tax they will pay. Be nice to see them give generous amounts to the NHS and charities though, and also cover the furloughed staffs wages.
But why do you think Football clubs would not “need the money”?
Other than the exception, surely most Football Clubs are in dire straights right now?
According to Roland, CAFC lose a million pounds a month. That is a ridiculous amount of money. Many may scoff at this figure, as it’s from Roland, however it certainly wasn’t profit making.
Clubs will go under, those furloughing lots of staff included.
But why do you think Football clubs would not “need the money”?
Other than the exception, surely most Football Clubs are in dire straights right now?
According to Roland, CAFC lose a million pounds a month. That is a ridiculous amount of money. Many may scoff at this figure, as it’s from Roland, however it certainly wasn’t profit making.
Clubs will go under, those furloughing lots of staff included.
Meanwhile, the PFA have listened to a room where the government is having to rip up its economic philosophy and so much more, throwing hundreds of billions of pounds at dealing with the virus emergency and its consequences, and...
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on the flip side his team mate Valterri Bottas is still on full pay. Just something I have been told by a team member. How accurate it is... I can only assume it is.
And footballers aren't working right now but on full pay whilst the guy that washes their kits is at home on 80% pay.
The furloughing is ok - a furloughed employee gets 80% of their salary and currently doesn't have to travel to work, can't go to the pub, cinema, out to eat, go on holiday.
It's the very fact taxpayers money perhaps should only be used when clubs genuinely can't afford to pay them.
Senior executives at clubs and top players- if they a just took a 5% pay cut could keep ALL administration staff on full pay, sitting at home and not ask the government for a hand out.....
Those other professions are generally "result" driven. Tennis players don't earn a salary, they have to win prize money, actors get paid a lot only if their films/tv shows are successful, rock stars earn their money if they sell/stream lots of music and do lots of successful tours.
Alternatively, clubs could reduce their squad accordingly - and rather than sack a player which would incur costs, simply not re-sign a replacement for someone whose contract is up in a couple of months time. Over 30 players have played for Spurs this season so losing one shouldn't really be a problem should it?
@JohnBoyUK has mentioned what a waste of space NDombele is. If they sold him at the end of the season the reduction in wage would not preserve one non playing job. On his wages of £200k per week It would save no less than 346 non playing jobs - and that is based on the maximum furlough payment of £2,500 per month.
People question why the spotlight is being shone on footballers. It's being shone specifically Premier League footballers and their Union for dragging their feet on this issue but also those who are taking the pxxx, for want of a better word, out of society - the Levys, the Ashleys, the Bransons, the Martins etc etc.
We will, undoubtedly, see a correction in the amount that football will receive from Joe Public after this. I won't be renewing BT and others no doubt will do the same with Sky too. People will wake up to the fact that they are paying £100 a ticket to go and watch four or five shots on target a game. Then the PL will not get the sort of money it once did.
Levy similar. 7M is out of kilter with the industry pay. CEOs of PL teams - believe 1-2M is the norm. Know for a fact Levy was the highest paid PL director in 2018.
Good to see @JohnBoyUK taking a hard line with his own team, respect that.
It shouldn't surprise us that businessman, who have made their whole career out of squeezing the pips, continue to do so despite the current focus to work together and not be selfish.
Total gits both of them
Saying that, if Levy had approached the players to take a small pay cut beforehand I'm sure they would have done. There are obvious reasons why he wouldn't/ didn't do that.
The players aren't the problem. Club owners and CEOs are abusing a government welfare initiative and the government should be looking at ways to stop this. I don't want to pay tax to bailout some companies who can afford to pay their staff but just don't want to.
Lineker, great footballer, and much loved now as a media luvvie' .. I just do not like the way he portrays and has portrayed himself at all, too slick and smug by far ..
I rarely watch MOD .. bear in mind all you who do that Auntie Beeb keeps it's 'talent' on the screen until they metaphorically drop .. so you're stuck with Shearer, Wrighty, Linky and other occasionals for a LONG time to come .. enjoy ((:>)
No,I don't like him.
With a couple of exceptions, basically, if you are socialist minded, you like Lineker, if you are a Tory, you don't. Some of the right wing even re-writing history to try to back up their opinion.
What the fuck is going on here?
That said OJ Simpson was a good player in his sport. Didn't make him the best or nicest person in the world though.
Lineker was vociferous many years ago in condemning Will Carling (ex England Rugby Captain) for walking out on a relationship with his sister in law. Years later he (Lineker) walked out on a relationship himself.
I don't like hypocrites trying to tell me how to live my life or vote in referendums.
I suspect others that dislike him may feel the same.
Have a word.
Other than...potentially furloughing family who may still work and keep silent.
Furloughing for footballers, is really serious for the players with their outgoings. Pretty low down in leagues - below national Vanarama level as only 25k paid out if furloughed will potentially be ok.
All clubs are in trouble, to furlough Players on 25k will be extremely concerning for the majority of professional footballers.
Ps. For what it’s worth, the criticism of Lineker is mute for me. Only met him once (golf) and he was a gent. Also grew up watching him play and have great memories 👍
Other than the exception, surely most Football Clubs are in dire straights right now?
According to Roland, CAFC lose a million pounds a month. That is a ridiculous amount of money. Many may scoff at this figure, as it’s from Roland, however it certainly wasn’t profit making.
Clubs will go under, those furloughing lots of staff included.
But... Sadly he’s a bit of a dirty shag nasty. Poor Michelle, she got wiped out of his history. I don’t respect the man.
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