Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
Well if it us true Martin needs to reboot the computer because the stats aren't working. And if he thinks Fraser can play the high press he's got another thing coming.
Stockley, Chuks and Fraser could possibly be the laziest/injury prone front 3 we've ever had.
No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.
RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to.
I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Stubborn is as stubborn does....
Fanny can I ask you question. Do you honestly think JJ got acceptable performances last season ?
All this have a window to spend a few million to get your players in rubbish is pie in the sky. Name me a team anywhere that does that when a manager comes in ?
We have no idea if there is interference with team tactics or selection or not that is all gossip.
I dont want you to think I'm against JJ I'm not but in the cold light of day it was the right decision surely.
I would love a poll on here asking the question would JJ have made us top half next season
But I have never said that performances were acceptable although you are looking at the time he was in charge overall. And where have I said that " a few million" would be required to bring in players that Jacko might have identified as being ideal for his squad ? You're claiming multiple things that I haven't posted ! We're all too aware that Sandgaard has already made it clear his budget will be carefully utilised....and that inputting silly money doesn't guarantee success.
You can't argue with the great start to his tenure...or was that not good enough for you ?
And it's SO easy to ignore the lengthy period when both Wash & Stockley were injured. Easy to conveniently "forget" that period & I'd challenge any manager, even one with far more experience than Jacko, to have adequately coped with it.
AND to ignore what 75% or more of Lifers have been saying about the squad in general...."they're not good enough !" ..especially as none of them were brought in by him.
TBH, those of you accusing me of wearing rose tinted specs where Jacko's record is concerned should re read my posts without immediately thinking " Silly old woman! She knows nothing about football!" The same goes for the question of whether Jacko would have made us top half next season....With the squad that finished the season, probably I'd answer in the negative.
But as with ANY manager if asked about the players he'd like to add to his squad, and if the owner knew sufficient about players in the EFL and was prepared to invest accordingly, who knows what the outcome might be.
No one is ignoring that period. Most of us however feel that any good or experienced manager would have adapted his formation and style of play to suit what players he had available. Not try and shoe horn sometimes as many as 4-5 players out of position to fit a 352 formation.
So, looking back at the OS when Jacko was formally appointed as manager on 17th December, continuation of the contract was based on ‘success on the pitch’ which we now believe required us to finish 8th or better. On that basis, he wasn’t ‘sacked’ but simply not ‘kept on’. Is that how we all see it?
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of Johnnie Jackson as the club’s permanent Manager.
Jackson has presided over seven wins in his opening 10 league games – the most successful start any Charlton Manager has made in the club’s history – since taking over as Caretaker Manager in October.
The 39-year-old has signed a contract which will automatically renew at the end of each of the next two seasons based on success on the pitch for the Addicks.
So, looking back at the OS when Jacko was formally appointed as manager on 17th December, continuation of the contract was based on ‘success on the pitch’ which we now believe required us to finish 8th or better. On that basis, he wasn’t ‘sacked’ but simply not ‘kept on’. Is that how we all see it?
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of Johnnie Jackson as the club’s permanent Manager.
Jackson has presided over seven wins in his opening 10 league games – the most successful start any Charlton Manager has made in the club’s history – since taking over as Caretaker Manager in October.
The 39-year-old has signed a contract which will automatically renew at the end of each of the next two seasons based on success on the pitch for the Addicks.
So will the next fella be on a similar contract then as well?
Be like Grace Brothers where they will have a different Mr Grace in Are you being served if we don’t finish high enough every season.
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
So, looking back at the OS when Jacko was formally appointed as manager on 17th December, continuation of the contract was based on ‘success on the pitch’ which we now believe required us to finish 8th or better. On that basis, he wasn’t ‘sacked’ but simply not ‘kept on’. Is that how we all see it?
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of Johnnie Jackson as the club’s permanent Manager.
Jackson has presided over seven wins in his opening 10 league games – the most successful start any Charlton Manager has made in the club’s history – since taking over as Caretaker Manager in October.
The 39-year-old has signed a contract which will automatically renew at the end of each of the next two seasons based on success on the pitch for the Addicks.
So will the next fella be on a similar contract then as well?
Be like Grace Brothers where they will have a different Mr Grace in Are you being served if we don’t finish high enough every season.
Ultimately all managers are appointed on the basis of success on the pitch. For a rookie manager who maybe the owner didn’t actually “fancy” but was forced into appointing I think JJ’s contract was pretty good an innovative.
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
Not documented evidence obviously. It's been mentioned on here by multiple people that he was very influencial on our summer recruitment.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
I've taken 5 days to let the JJ sacking sink in before positing...….how do I feel? I'm sad JJ has lost his job, he has been a very loyal servant of the club for many years, BUT, looking at it from a footballing point of view, it has quite honestly not been great. Yes he had a great start when caretaker and turned around some awful displays that had been served up under Adkins, Yes he then lost our 2 main strikers and that was compounded by 'loss of form' 'lack of skill' by Gilbey, Leko and on-going injury problems/hot headedness from Innis, all of this didn't help going on a terrible run. However JJ seemed 'stuck' on 3-5-2 even when we could all see it wasn't working. Playing players out of position, or in positions that didn't suit their game and then continuing to do so was, in my opinion, either stupid or being just plain stubborn! There was a hesitancy shown on the pitch by many players who were not sure what they were supposed to be doing. The crowd at home games could see us start fast (in most games) but if we weren't successful in the opening 15/20 mins the opposition sussed us out and we just seem to crumble, yet no tactical changes were made, well not ones that were discernible to the watching 1,000's. In the end, and I really do think the Ipswich game was the straw that broke the camels back for TS, something had to change. Lets face it the score last Saturday could've been 7 or 8, with maybe us getting 2 back. That is just poor when we had the majority of our senior players on the park. Now look at it from TS point of view, he is into us for about £16m so far, does he spend again to maybe get the same results or does he try something different? Stick or Twist? It's his money, if it was mine (money) I'm quite sure that sadly I would have come to the same conclusion. In the world of football it is a results driven business, sadly the results, across the season were extremely disappointing and poor, there is no room for sentiment, but then it has been like that for many many years. The nature of JJ's sacking is not ideal, but, although its not right, it is sadly the way of the world, as I found out last year when I was made redundant by phone. Moving on to 'next steps' - TS has, I think, one final chance to get this next appt right. He needs to find the right person that will get this club moving forward again. I get all the comments about putting in place stuff 'off the pitch' to make us "PL ready", HOWEVER that's no good if we are crap on the pitch. You can have the best infrastructure in the world, but if you cant get positive results playing the game then its just 'noise' and a waste of further £millions!! TS has a BIG decision to make, get it wrong (and in some peoples eyes whoever he appts will be the wrong person, as they just don't like TS) and he may well just decide that enough is enough, crowds will dwindle even more (I remember back in the 70's standing in the Covered End on a cold Tuesday night with crowds of about 4,000 to watch us play crap 3rd Division football), more money will be wasted and we will just drift along. Get it right, (we play good attractive football, win games, increase crowds) and move upwards and onwards.....its a decision that mustn't be rushed, but whoever it is that gets the job MUST then be left to get on with matters on the pitch, leave the "PL ready" stuff to TS and Co. I said earlier if it was my money I would've made the same decision as TS has made, well if it was my money my decision now would be Beale or Warburton, but hey what do I know!!
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
Not documented evidence obviously. It's been mentioned on here by multiple people that he was very influencial on our summer recruitment.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
So no real proof other than what others have opined on here then. That’s not a dig, but you made a statement of fact based on others opinions.
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
Not documented evidence obviously. It's been mentioned on here by multiple people that he was very influencial on our summer recruitment.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
So no real proof other than what others have opined on here then. That’s not a dig, but you made a statement of fact based on others opinions.
Hadnt we been after Kirk for a number of windows ? Going back to even before TS arrived ? I just remembered the Chelsea guy Ruben Summit or something like that isnt he our data and talent guy in terms of transfers ?
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
Not documented evidence obviously. It's been mentioned on here by multiple people that he was very influencial on our summer recruitment.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
So no real proof other than what others have opined on here then. That’s not a dig, but you made a statement of fact based on others opinions.
No I believe it to be fact, because I trust the source I originally heard it from. Others have stated, independently the same thing, quoting different sources.
Which in my opinion add weight to it.
I can't prove it with evidence but I do believe it.
Imagine how Scott Fraser feels right now. Signed for Ipswich after a good season at MK Dons and saw his career regress horribly for 6 months to the point where the new manager didn't want him, so he signed for us. Didn't pull up any trees and now has found that the manager that did like him has gone at Charlton, and no idea if the new one will want him. He could be looking for his third club in a year if a manager comes in and tells him he's not what he wants. Yikes.
The fact is that the owner ( he who pays all the bills and covers the enormous losses) wants a different manager and tbf probably didn’t want JJ at the start - so this situation was entirely predictable.I’d be tempted to suggest that he probably would have sacked him even if we’d got into the play offs if we hadn’t gone up regardless of his contractual arrangement. Anyway that’s all conjecture As for sacking him by phone, I think that was poor but given the timing of the POTY and Thomas’s travel arrangements perhaps more understandable. Over the last 40 years I have sacked many people as part of my jobs and frankly the way you get sacked pales into insignificance against the fact that you’ve been sacked and what the financial settlement is.
Finally, I would be surprised if Warburton isn’t announced fairly soon after QPR’s season closes.
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
Not documented evidence obviously. It's been mentioned on here by multiple people that he was very influencial on our summer recruitment.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
So no real proof other than what others have opined on here then. That’s not a dig, but you made a statement of fact based on others opinions.
No I believe it to be fact, because I trust the source I originally heard it from. Others have stated, independently the same thing, quoting different sources.
Which in my opinion add weight to it.
I can't prove it with evidence but I do believe it.
Great write up @Covered End I think due to our past we are all super cautious when it comes to owners and rightly so. It has made mistakes for sure but I dont see how anyone cannot think he doesnt have the clubs best interests at heart. Some of the stuff he gets stick for I think are wrong and misguided and if people thought about it a bit they might see my point.
1. Martin. People kicking off with the criticism but nobody know exactly what he does. Sure he has a job title but the bloke from Chelsea (cant remember his name) also does that job here. All I can say is if I lived the other side of the Atlantic and I was sinking £m's a year into business here ( you might not like it but face facts we are a business) I would want someone I trust as my eyes and ears. I dont for a second think he is directing our transfer policy.
2. Jj going is exactly what I would have done and taking sentiment out of it (easy to do when it's not you money) so would most people he was failing desperately. The dismissed by phone call thing well none of us know what really happened there or what conversations took place in person. Whatever happened if JJ was unaware or shocked then he must be very naive.
3. The stick he gets re the David Brent stuff. We have had years of people owning us not communicating now we have someone who tbh communicates to much imo but it's better I suppose than the other mob.
4. Then you have the lot who bemoan because he isnt rich enough lol get your heads out of your arses will you. Nobody else had the bollocks or was mental enough to buy us no matter how much you want Barclay or whoever to come over the mountain. It ain't happening!!!!
Yes he makes mistakes. Yes he is slightly mental. I'm not convinced he will get it right but I support the efforts as we have no other options. Plus tbh he makes me laugh which is the opposite to the team making me cry lol
Agree with points 2-4 but think you are wrong on point 1.
Martin has far more influence than that and has done since before it was public knowledge he was involved.
It really wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was his call last January.
Do you have proof of any of that or is it just opinion?
The first bit is true. The second is my opinion.
OK, do you have proof of the first bit that you can share?
Not documented evidence obviously. It's been mentioned on here by multiple people that he was very influencial on our summer recruitment.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
So no real proof other than what others have opined on here then. That’s not a dig, but you made a statement of fact based on others opinions.
No I believe it to be fact, because I trust the source I originally heard it from. Others have stated, independently the same thing, quoting different sources.
Which in my opinion add weight to it.
I can't prove it with evidence but I do believe it.
I refer you to my previous answer
Your entitled to believe it, but it doesn’t make it a fact as you stated, you may think I’m being pedantic but there is a huge difference
More fuel to the 'these players are dickheads' fire to be honest. Some of them have just seen off their third manager and they only had 2 year contracts! Burn them all
Imagine how Scott Fraser feels right now. Signed for Ipswich after a good season at MK Dons and saw his career regress horribly for 6 months to the point where the new manager didn't want him, so he signed for us. Didn't pull up any trees and now has found that the manager that did like him has gone at Charlton, and no idea if the new one will want him. He could be looking for his third club in a year if a manager comes in and tells him he's not what he wants. Yikes.
I'm fairly confident most managers at this level would be happy to have Fraser in their team
Imagine how Scott Fraser feels right now. Signed for Ipswich after a good season at MK Dons and saw his career regress horribly for 6 months to the point where the new manager didn't want him, so he signed for us. Didn't pull up any trees and now has found that the manager that did like him has gone at Charlton, and no idea if the new one will want him. He could be looking for his third club in a year if a manager comes in and tells him he's not what he wants. Yikes.
And if MK Dons can turn things around in their second leg they could end up in the Championship.
No blind loyalty from me, bazjonster. Just respect for a good man who did his utmost against the odds of possibly/probably an interfering owner who never planned to make him a permanent fixture in the first place.
RoanRedNY's post explains my gut feelings far better than a passionate, emotional old Addick could, so many thanks for not over interpreting the caution & degree of negativity I alluded to.
I shall await with increasing interest to see how the relationship between TS & his latest recruit pans out ....hopefully positively.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Stubborn is as stubborn does....
Fanny can I ask you question. Do you honestly think JJ got acceptable performances last season ?
All this have a window to spend a few million to get your players in rubbish is pie in the sky. Name me a team anywhere that does that when a manager comes in ?
We have no idea if there is interference with team tactics or selection or not that is all gossip.
I dont want you to think I'm against JJ I'm not but in the cold light of day it was the right decision surely.
I would love a poll on here asking the question would JJ have made us top half next season
But I have never said that performances were acceptable although you are looking at the time he was in charge overall. And where have I said that " a few million" would be required to bring in players that Jacko might have identified as being ideal for his squad ? You're claiming multiple things that I haven't posted ! We're all too aware that Sandgaard has already made it clear his budget will be carefully utilised....and that inputting silly money doesn't guarantee success.
You can't argue with the great start to his tenure...or was that not good enough for you ?
And it's SO easy to ignore the lengthy period when both Wash & Stockley were injured. Easy to conveniently "forget" that period & I'd challenge any manager, even one with far more experience than Jacko, to have adequately coped with it.
AND to ignore what 75% or more of Lifers have been saying about the squad in general...."they're not good enough !" ..especially as none of them were brought in by him.
TBH, those of you accusing me of wearing rose tinted specs where Jacko's record is concerned should re read my posts without immediately thinking " Silly old woman! She knows nothing about football!" The same goes for the question of whether Jacko would have made us top half next season....With the squad that finished the season, probably I'd answer in the negative.
But as with ANY manager if asked about the players he'd like to add to his squad, and if the owner knew sufficient about players in the EFL and was prepared to invest accordingly, who knows what the outcome might be.
I can guarantee u no one on here thinks your a silly woman who knows nothing about football Jean. X
I was going to say I love fanny but I will change that to I love Jean x and with the amazing Tracey, they give Charlton Athletic a heart and soul.
Jean has been to more Charlton matches, home and away, than 90% of CL members and her opinion is always welcome and I enjoy her tales of an away trip.
We have fans/critics who are so cold hearted they don't get why many of us who have known what JJ did for this club over 12 years through thick and thin and was the conduit even with the bizarre and unique ownership since Richard Murray lost his way and the three amigos took charge, to the present incumbent.
In an ideal world Nigel Adkins would've handed over to Johnnie Jackson after a couple of years of improvement and we had a better and fitter squad with a harder edge and the fan base united( Golfie the exception obviously) But that didn't happen because of a myriad of reasons.
My heart said I wanted JJ to be given until October but my head was wondering why he couldn't cover when CBT went on his charges forward as it can be done.
As players say on twitter, we go again but it feels like Cafc have more baggage that Joan Collins on a flight from/to the states.
If we had just appointed Jacko as interim until the end of season, all these fun and games could have been avoided. He would have got a longer run to impress, the fans would have been provided a clear message. Everybody could have taken stock at the timeframe provided from the onset.
Maybe this is where a footballing person or ceo would have helped, from their experience.
I mean he was basically that as caretaker manager and people were up in arms about why he wasn't being made permanent quicker. I think its just obvious that Sandgaard can't keep all the fan base happy whatever he does, unless, we are getting promoted.
TS is the owner and he shouldn’t be just bowing to fan pressure. If he didn’t want Jacko he should have just kept him as caretaker.
I argued that was no benefit in making JJ permanent at that time. Others argued it would be good for morale, but somehow you knew that Sod’s Law would apply, and we’d go on a losing run.
That to me suggests he was too close to the players - too pally pally
So now a manager and family isnt allowed to get along with players or make any relationships or friendships in the football world they are humans swear our fans love to judge every little thing this club or people connected get upto
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Stockley, Chuks and Fraser could possibly be the laziest/injury prone front 3 we've ever had.
Charlton Athletic are delighted to confirm the appointment of Johnnie Jackson as the club’s permanent Manager.
Jackson has presided over seven wins in his opening 10 league games – the most successful start any Charlton Manager has made in the club’s history – since taking over as Caretaker Manager in October.
The 39-year-old has signed a contract which will automatically renew at the end of each of the next two seasons based on success on the pitch for the Addicks.
Saying that it's probably quite natural and even reasonable that his dad sees him as a confidante and seeks his opinions on football. The problem, in my opinion, is when that opinion is given more credence than that of the professionals. Even if occasionally he is right.
In the end, and I really do think the Ipswich game was the straw that broke the camels back for TS, something had to change. Lets face it the score last Saturday could've been 7 or 8, with maybe us getting 2 back. That is just poor when we had the majority of our senior players on the park.
Now look at it from TS point of view, he is into us for about £16m so far, does he spend again to maybe get the same results or does he try something different? Stick or Twist? It's his money, if it was mine (money) I'm quite sure that sadly I would have come to the same conclusion. In the world of football it is a results driven business, sadly the results, across the season were extremely disappointing and poor, there is no room for sentiment, but then it has been like that for many many years.
The nature of JJ's sacking is not ideal, but, although its not right, it is sadly the way of the world, as I found out last year when I was made redundant by phone.
Moving on to 'next steps' - TS has, I think, one final chance to get this next appt right. He needs to find the right person that will get this club moving forward again. I get all the comments about putting in place stuff 'off the pitch' to make us "PL ready", HOWEVER that's no good if we are crap on the pitch. You can have the best infrastructure in the world, but if you cant get positive results playing the game then its just 'noise' and a waste of further £millions!!
TS has a BIG decision to make, get it wrong (and in some peoples eyes whoever he appts will be the wrong person, as they just don't like TS) and he may well just decide that enough is enough, crowds will dwindle even more (I remember back in the 70's standing in the Covered End on a cold Tuesday night with crowds of about 4,000 to watch us play crap 3rd Division football), more money will be wasted and we will just drift along. Get it right, (we play good attractive football, win games, increase crowds) and move upwards and onwards.....its a decision that mustn't be rushed, but whoever it is that gets the job MUST then be left to get on with matters on the pitch, leave the "PL ready" stuff to TS and Co.
I said earlier if it was my money I would've made the same decision as TS has made, well if it was my money my decision now would be Beale or Warburton, but hey what do I know!!
That’s not a dig, but you made a statement of fact based on others opinions.
Which in my opinion add weight to it.
I can't prove it with evidence but I do believe it.
As for sacking him by phone, I think that was poor but given the timing of the POTY and Thomas’s travel arrangements perhaps more understandable. Over the last 40 years I have sacked many people as part of my jobs and frankly the way you get sacked pales into insignificance against the fact that you’ve been sacked and what the financial settlement is.
Your entitled to believe it, but it doesn’t make it a fact as you stated, you may think I’m being pedantic but there is a huge difference
I was going to say I love fanny but I will change that to I love Jean x and with the amazing Tracey, they give Charlton Athletic a heart and soul.
Jean has been to more Charlton matches, home and away, than 90% of CL members and her opinion is always welcome and I enjoy her tales of an away trip.
We have fans/critics who are so cold hearted they don't get why many of us who have known what JJ did for this club over 12 years through thick and thin and was the conduit even with the bizarre and unique ownership since Richard Murray lost his way and the three amigos took charge, to the present incumbent.
In an ideal world Nigel Adkins would've handed over to Johnnie Jackson after a couple of years of improvement and we had a better and fitter squad with a harder edge and the fan base united( Golfie the exception obviously) But that didn't happen because of a myriad of reasons.
My heart said I wanted JJ to be given until October but my head was wondering why he couldn't cover when CBT went on his charges forward as it can be done.
As players say on twitter, we go again but it feels like Cafc have more baggage that Joan Collins on a flight from/to the states.
Skiverton must have known it was coming
So George, fancy a change next season, sure Gaffa, where do i sign...