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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Wow!!..How it would be great to be "normal", such a pinnacle to aspire too..RonnieMoore said:
And how’s the club being run .. it’s being run like a normal club know it’s been a long time since we had a normal club …..RedRobin said:What could sway it for Michael to come to us, is he was a Charlton fan as a boy also came through our academy, he’s from South East London, Bromley boy, his missus, who was a year above me at school, is also from the area and her family still live in Bromley. A lot of pro’s from a personal life perspective however it’ll be the cons in the way the club is being run at the moment, whether that is a deciding factor I don’t know but I am sure it will be a tough decision either way with their family still being local and it being a big job.
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I’ve no idea if Beale is the answer and no very little about him but the good posters on here are saying they want him so that will do for me.
Would also be happy with Taylor, get it done TS.0 -
I still think Beale is a fantastic coach, but his as untried and tested as Jacko was.2
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superclive said:I feel the same with Beale he could being though our young players effectively and with all that talent there is a unique opportunity at charlton. however, to take advantage of that will need sandgaard to allow beale the time and be patient.. not just TS but us fans too.
Singing you don't know what your doing after a dozen games next season as we have 67% possession in so many matches but win 3, lose 3 and draw 6 won't help.
Just checking for a friend but would we rather just miss out playing the MK Dons way, or get promoted playing similar to Rotherham ( Michael Smith and Stockley are similar) who were promoted and Wycombe who have a 50/50 chance of being promoted ?
IF/When Fraser gets fit the best way to get out of League 1 is to dovetail the two styles of ball retention but also sharp quick attacks with quality balls into the box from advanced positions so either Stockley/Aneke two of the best header of the ball can run on to. On the desk as well for our new attacking midfielder or new replacement for Washington to run on to.
Mix and match with relationships all over the field.
Tough gig at Cafc, Pompey, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Sunderland, Bolton, now Derby. All those teams have fans who believe their teams are "massive", Charlton Athletic fans as well as Wednesday and the rest of the above.
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And Watford did the same at the expense of Forestgreen Rovers.Callumcafc said:
Short answer is no. Look at Bolton who already announced the signing of Iredale prior to the official expiry of his contract with Cambridge. I don't see any reason why the rules would be different for managers.SweetCAFC said:I am still hoping that it will be Warburton in light of his previous connections with the recent CAFC appointments of Da Souza and Dangerfield.Possibly clutching at straws, but if Warburton is still contracted to QPR, even if they were not going to renew his contract, could CAFC risk having to pay compensation to QPR if anything were to be agreed/ announced prior to expiry of his contract with QPR? If Warburton is indeed CAFC’s choice, could this potentially explain the current waiting game?0 -
Any experienced manager dropping down is doing it for a reason, if they’re that good why aren’t they managing at a higher level?CAFCDAZ said:I still think Beale is a fantastic coach, but his as untried and tested as Jacko was.
A young manager stepping up is just as big a gamble, maybe like Powell and Bowyer they’re at the right club at the right time and won’t be able to recreate the success they’ve had.
We could get a proven solid League 1 manager like Robinson but I’d rather gamble on Beale being a lot better.3 -
Truth is that no one knows if a manager will work out even experts in the game. Just got to play the percentages and keep fingers crossed 🤞BR7_addick said:I’ve no idea if Beale is the answer and no very little about him but the good posters on here are saying they want him so that will do for me.
Would also be happy with Taylor, get it done TS.2 -
How about Garry Monk?0
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TS had to honour his word to JJ .. JJ was promised the job after Adkins , he was to learn from him and end of his contract JJ would be ready to take over .. problem was it happened to soon , expect TS knew it was far to soon for JJ hence the contract .. so even through he sounded out over people it was always going to be JJsoapboxsam said:Unless Thomas Sandgaard has apologised to Michael Beale for his comments last time and head hunted him recently, there is no way Beale would apply again at Cafc.
"my villa mate said he's on his way" doesn't really carry much kudos unless the mate is employed by Aston Villa.1 -
Rotherham are certainly much more direct than MK Dons, but they weren’t what I would consider a long ball team by any stretch of the imagination.soapboxsam said:superclive said:I feel the same with Beale he could being though our young players effectively and with all that talent there is a unique opportunity at charlton. however, to take advantage of that will need sandgaard to allow beale the time and be patient.. not just TS but us fans too.
Singing you don't know what your doing after a dozen games next season as we have 67% possession in so many matches but win 3, lose 3 and draw 6 won't help.
Just checking for a friend but would we rather just miss out playing the MK Dons way, or get promoted playing similar to Rotherham ( Michael Smith and Stockley are similar) who were promoted and Wycombe who have a 50/50 chance of being promoted ?
IF/When Fraser gets fit the best way to get out of League 1 is to dovetail the two styles of ball retention but also sharp quick attacks with quality balls into the box from advanced positions so either Stockley/Aneke two of the best header of the ball can run on to. On the desk as well for our new attacking midfielder or new replacement for Washington to run on to.
Mix and match with relationships all over the field.
Tough gig at Cafc, Pompey, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Sunderland, Bolton, now Derby. All those teams have fans who believe their teams are "massive", Charlton Athletic fans as well as Wednesday and the rest of the above.
All the balls that went into Smith in the two games I saw against them were played with quality, pace and usually into a channel he was moving into where he could control and bring other players into the game.
And usually that out ball was only played if they couldn’t move it though the thirds quickly on a turn over of play.
Long ball to me is usually when teams smash the ball high into the air for the striker to try and head it onto runners.0 -
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Lee Clark is available after leaving Al-Merrikh in the Sudan Premier League18
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I don’t really blame Les Reed for that short spell. The effort from the players during that period was a disgrace.mendonca said:Knowing our luck, Beale will morph into Les Reed. Things like this just happen at Charlton.2 -
I don't buy this good managers become bad bit at all. You have to look at the whole thing in the round. Why are managers successful in one job then fail in two. Probably because all things aren't equal.Scoham said:
Any experienced manager dropping down is doing it for a reason, if they’re that good why aren’t they managing at a higher level?CAFCDAZ said:I still think Beale is a fantastic coach, but his as untried and tested as Jacko was.
A young manager stepping up is just as big a gamble, maybe like Powell and Bowyer they’re at the right club at the right time and won’t be able to recreate the success they’ve had.
We could get a proven solid League 1 manager like Robinson but I’d rather gamble on Beale being a lot better.
There are 44 teams in the two divisions above us. Without looking I would guess that half, at least, have changed managers in the last 18 months. Did they all become bad managers? Admittedly some of them probably were never very good and just poor appointments but I suspect if you look at it most of them would have a lot of other considerations as well.
Such as the board sold their star striker in January, they had a relatively small budget, the CE was to busy getting an official noddle partner in North Korea to buy the striker they needed etc etc.0 -
I don’t think anything’s been announced yet for no other reason than a decision has not been made on who that applied or interviewed is the right person. Then it’s negotiation time. My guess is we have two or three preferred candidates and are currently speaking to both or all about their contractual requirements. Beale might have for example interviewed and been offered the job but can’t agree person terms. Suspect we’re close but not very close. Another couple of weeks is my guess.0
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I think the problem is that some managers are branded as good when really they just had good players in that job. And vice versa.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't buy this good managers become bad bit at all. You have to look at the whole thing in the round. Why are managers successful in one job then fail in two. Probably because all things aren't equal.Scoham said:
Any experienced manager dropping down is doing it for a reason, if they’re that good why aren’t they managing at a higher level?CAFCDAZ said:I still think Beale is a fantastic coach, but his as untried and tested as Jacko was.
A young manager stepping up is just as big a gamble, maybe like Powell and Bowyer they’re at the right club at the right time and won’t be able to recreate the success they’ve had.
We could get a proven solid League 1 manager like Robinson but I’d rather gamble on Beale being a lot better.
There are 44 teams in the two divisions above us. Without looking I would guess that half, at least, have changed managers in the last 18 months. Did they all become bad managers? Admittedly some of them probably were never very good and just poor appointments but I suspect if you look at it most of them would have a lot of other considerations as well.
Such as the board sold their star striker in January, they had a relatively small budget, the CE was to busy getting an official noddle partner in North Korea to buy the striker they needed etc etc.
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Has he left them undefeated in a millennium?BigRedEvil said:Lee Clark is available after leaving Al-Merrikh in the Sudan Premier League2 -
I wonder how long his unbeaten run went on for there?BigRedEvil said:Lee Clark is available after leaving Al-Merrikh in the Sudan Premier League1 -
As the great Frank Gallagher said "Anyone watching thinking we know fuck all about knowing fuck all about owt, needs to watch their backs".0
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Am I the only one who cares about our style of play in the first team 10%, but cares about getting points 90%?
Yeah we can go on about the kind of shithousery from Wycombe, but we were crap yet got shedloads of red and yellow cards, and didn’t reach the playoffs.3 -
I hope that Michael Beale gets the job.
I have a feeling that he could turn out to be someone a little bit special.
He has more kudos than most of the other names being mentioned.
I would also imagine he has a lot of contacts in the top divisions, and would be able to attract better loan players than we have had recently.3 -
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In league 1 I’m probably 1% style, 99% results. However, in the championship I think it’s style and results are as important as each other.seth plum said:Am I the only one who cares about our style of play in the first team 10%, but cares about getting points 90%?
Yeah we can go on about the kind of shithousery from Wycombe, but we were crap yet got shedloads of red and yellow cards, and didn’t reach the playoffs.0 -
To paraphrase the former governor of minnesotaseth plum said:Am I the only one who cares about our style of play in the first team 10%, but cares about getting points 90%?
Yeah we can go on about the kind of shithousery from Wycombe, but we were crap yet got shedloads of red and yellow cards, and didn’t reach the playoffs.
Play well if you badly if you must but always win.
Substance over style for me. I would feel differently if we were midtable playing ugly, in any league.0 -
If it's Micheal Beale, that would be fantastic, and maybe just maybe I'd have a little bit of hope for next season. Anyone else I just don't know.
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Why would Matt Taylor have detailed knowledge of L1 players, when he's been in L2 for 4 years?alburyaddick said:I actually think Beale would be a mistake, its obviously very helpful to have a good coach but ultimately its about the quality you have on the pitch and I'd rather have Taylor ( or someone similar) who has detailed knowledge of the best League 1 and League 2 players which is where we will be fishing.
Paul Clement would be a good example of an outstanding coach who didn't really cut it as a manager. A similar mould to Beale0 -
Beale and an unlimited player budget and I’ll be happy. If we can get Pope, Coady, Mitrovic, Lookman and Son (or similar) through the door early we should have a fighting chance at making the play offs.9
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Your description of long ball sounds a lot like our recent tactics involving hoofing it to Stockley and hoping to get on the knock ons.FishCostaFortune said:
Rotherham are certainly much more direct than MK Dons, but they weren’t what I would consider a long ball team by any stretch of the imagination.soapboxsam said:superclive said:I feel the same with Beale he could being though our young players effectively and with all that talent there is a unique opportunity at charlton. however, to take advantage of that will need sandgaard to allow beale the time and be patient.. not just TS but us fans too.
Singing you don't know what your doing after a dozen games next season as we have 67% possession in so many matches but win 3, lose 3 and draw 6 won't help.
Just checking for a friend but would we rather just miss out playing the MK Dons way, or get promoted playing similar to Rotherham ( Michael Smith and Stockley are similar) who were promoted and Wycombe who have a 50/50 chance of being promoted ?
IF/When Fraser gets fit the best way to get out of League 1 is to dovetail the two styles of ball retention but also sharp quick attacks with quality balls into the box from advanced positions so either Stockley/Aneke two of the best header of the ball can run on to. On the desk as well for our new attacking midfielder or new replacement for Washington to run on to.
Mix and match with relationships all over the field.
Tough gig at Cafc, Pompey, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Sunderland, Bolton, now Derby. All those teams have fans who believe their teams are "massive", Charlton Athletic fans as well as Wednesday and the rest of the above.
All the balls that went into Smith in the two games I saw against them were played with quality, pace and usually into a channel he was moving into where he could control and bring other players into the game.
And usually that out ball was only played if they couldn’t move it though the thirds quickly on a turn over of play.
Long ball to me is usually when teams smash the ball high into the air for the striker to try and head it onto runners.3 -
Answer, he wouldn't.Covered End said:
Why would Matt Taylor have detailed knowledge of L1 players, when he's been in L2 for 4 years?alburyaddick said:I actually think Beale would be a mistake, its obviously very helpful to have a good coach but ultimately its about the quality you have on the pitch and I'd rather have Taylor ( or someone similar) who has detailed knowledge of the best League 1 and League 2 players which is where we will be fishing.
Paul Clement would be a good example of an outstanding coach who didn't really cut it as a manager. A similar mould to Beale
On that basis Johnnie Jackson should have detailed knowledge of L2 players (I bet he hasn't).1 -
Not even knock ons most of the time. It was defenders get the ball, pass it sideways amongst themselves, look to midfield, noone showing for it, hoof to Stockley and hope he can nod it back to one of our midfielders, more than 50% of the time we'd lose the ball.killerandflash said:
Your description of long ball sounds a lot like our recent tactics involving hoofing it to Stockley and hoping to get on the knock ons.FishCostaFortune said:
Rotherham are certainly much more direct than MK Dons, but they weren’t what I would consider a long ball team by any stretch of the imagination.soapboxsam said:superclive said:I feel the same with Beale he could being though our young players effectively and with all that talent there is a unique opportunity at charlton. however, to take advantage of that will need sandgaard to allow beale the time and be patient.. not just TS but us fans too.
Singing you don't know what your doing after a dozen games next season as we have 67% possession in so many matches but win 3, lose 3 and draw 6 won't help.
Just checking for a friend but would we rather just miss out playing the MK Dons way, or get promoted playing similar to Rotherham ( Michael Smith and Stockley are similar) who were promoted and Wycombe who have a 50/50 chance of being promoted ?
IF/When Fraser gets fit the best way to get out of League 1 is to dovetail the two styles of ball retention but also sharp quick attacks with quality balls into the box from advanced positions so either Stockley/Aneke two of the best header of the ball can run on to. On the desk as well for our new attacking midfielder or new replacement for Washington to run on to.
Mix and match with relationships all over the field.
Tough gig at Cafc, Pompey, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Sunderland, Bolton, now Derby. All those teams have fans who believe their teams are "massive", Charlton Athletic fans as well as Wednesday and the rest of the above.
All the balls that went into Smith in the two games I saw against them were played with quality, pace and usually into a channel he was moving into where he could control and bring other players into the game.
And usually that out ball was only played if they couldn’t move it though the thirds quickly on a turn over of play.
Long ball to me is usually when teams smash the ball high into the air for the striker to try and head it onto runners.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:
I don't buy this good managers become bad bit at all. You have to look at the whole thing in the round. Why are managers successful in one job then fail in two. Probably because all things aren't equal.Scoham said:
Any experienced manager dropping down is doing it for a reason, if they’re that good why aren’t they managing at a higher level?CAFCDAZ said:I still think Beale is a fantastic coach, but his as untried and tested as Jacko was.
A young manager stepping up is just as big a gamble, maybe like Powell and Bowyer they’re at the right club at the right time and won’t be able to recreate the success they’ve had.
We could get a proven solid League 1 manager like Robinson but I’d rather gamble on Beale being a lot better.
There are 44 teams in the two divisions above us. Without looking I would guess that half, at least, have changed managers in the last 18 months. Did they all become bad managers? Admittedly some of them probably were never very good and just poor appointments but I suspect if you look at it most of them would have a lot of other considerations as well.
Such as the board sold their star striker in January, they had a relatively small budget, the CE was to busy getting an official noddle partner in North Korea to buy the striker they needed etc etc.Managers like players can also improve or decline, so I don’t agree that good managers are always good managers and success is mainly down to the circumstances.As balham said the issue is working out who are the genuinely good managers and who has only done well due to having circumstances in their favour.I just don’t see bringing in someone who’s had a couple of promotions from this division as any more of a guarantee than taking a chance on say Taylor or Beale. Logically getting the experienced manager makes success more likely (hence TS appointing Adkins) but we know there are plenty of examples where it doesn’t work that way in reality.0 -
FishCostaFortune said:
Rotherham are certainly much more direct than MK Dons, but they weren’t what I would consider a long ball team by any stretch of the imagination.soapboxsam said:superclive said:I feel the same with Beale he could being though our young players effectively and with all that talent there is a unique opportunity at charlton. however, to take advantage of that will need sandgaard to allow beale the time and be patient.. not just TS but us fans too.
Singing you don't know what your doing after a dozen games next season as we have 67% possession in so many matches but win 3, lose 3 and draw 6 won't help.
Just checking for a friend but would we rather just miss out playing the MK Dons way, or get promoted playing similar to Rotherham ( Michael Smith and Stockley are similar) who were promoted and Wycombe who have a 50/50 chance of being promoted ?
IF/When Fraser gets fit the best way to get out of League 1 is to dovetail the two styles of ball retention but also sharp quick attacks with quality balls into the box from advanced positions so either Stockley/Aneke two of the best header of the ball can run on to. On the desk as well for our new attacking midfielder or new replacement for Washington to run on to.
Mix and match with relationships all over the field.
Tough gig at Cafc, Pompey, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Sunderland, Bolton, now Derby. All those teams have fans who believe their teams are "massive", Charlton Athletic fans as well as Wednesday and the rest of the above.
All the balls that went into Smith in the two games I saw against them were played with quality, pace and usually into a channel he was moving into where he could control and bring other players into the game.
And usually that out ball was only played if they couldn’t move it though the thirds quickly on a turn over of play.
Long ball to me is usually when teams smash the ball high into the air for the striker to try and head it onto runners.
Quality long passes normally diagonal from Naby Sarr(yes, really on occasions) and demonstrated by the magic in his boots Trent Alexander-Arnold are nothing to do will pointless long straight hoof balls that go flying over a 6ft 4in strikers head.
That why I said crossing from an advanced positions not aimless long passes from the back by the likes of Famewo, Pearce etc in recent times.
It would be great to emulate the ball retention and scoring ability of Gus Poyet's Brighton team back in the 3rd tier when we couldn't get a kick or the attacking prowess of Eddie Howe's Bournemouth side when he played attacking football from League 2 right the way through to the Premier and the way he used Yann with passes to his feet was a master class in pass and move with the lighting quick Wilson as the main striker ahead of Yann to win the Championship.
At least 50% of Charlton fans wouldn't accept the transition and a possible 8th or 9th finish next season as yet another season in League 1 accrues.
Singing your not fit to wear the shirt is hindering bonding with the better player like Dobson, Clare and CBT.
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