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Can you look into it mate?Gribbo said:
Nail on the headValleyGary said:
If it doesn't start with 'Guys,..' I don't wanna hear it.soapboxsam said:Why doesn't anyone listen to AFKA ?0 -
Three weeks now.Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
The Premier League has finished.
How many more excuses?
Just face it: TS hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I can't believe from the threads on the play-offs and Sunderland that people think we stand a chance. It's like Everton fans thinking that they'll finish in the top six next season.3 -
Ah! Penny drops.Cafc43v3r said:
Can you look into it mate?Gribbo said:
Nail on the headValleyGary said:
If it doesn't start with 'Guys,..' I don't wanna hear it.soapboxsam said:Why doesn't anyone listen to AFKA ?
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Mr Otto knows his stuff, Youds was signed in March, around the same time as Mills.addick1956 said:
Illic and maybe Heaney too. Youds was Dec time I thinkricky_otto said:
I actually think they signed in March.Todds_right_hook said:
Did mills and youds sign in the summer or January. Not arguing against what you are saying, it's more to do with my ageing brainCafc43v3r said:
If you even take out the "summer of Powell" to of our other promotion winnings teams of recentish times were put together very quickly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
The first bit is true. The second part is a fallacy.RonnieMoore said:
What like saving the club when no one else had the bollocks or money to take on the crooks and the financial commitment … take on a club during a pandemic that was on its knees after years of assist stripping left us with a shell of a club ..these actions you mean … people have very short memories years and years of neglect not going to be sorted in 18 months1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)
And
Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)
All joined after the previous season finished. That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.
In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started.
The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it?0 -
You need to keep out of the Wetherspoons.Covered End said:I've been here at Heathrow for 3 weeks, checking on who is flying out to Colorado.
Absolutely no one recognised yet, nada, zilch.
I'll give it another week.0 -
So clearly if we appoint Beale or similar we only had until 1:30pm on the Tuesday after the Prem season finished to announce it. As it’s not happened we can safely rule out a Prem coach from taking over.jimmymelrose said:
Three weeks now.Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
The Premier League has finished.
How many more excuses?
Just face it: TS hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I can't believe from the threads on the play-offs and Sunderland that people think we stand a chance. It's like Everton fans thinking that they'll finish in the top six next season.
I’m not optimistic about next season but I’m not going to assume there’s only one reason we haven’t appointed a manager yet.
Perhaps that’s the wrong way to look at it and we should start protesting to drive TS out?0 -
Should have checked the private flights to Biggin HillCovered End said:I've been here at Heathrow for 3 weeks, checking on who is flying out to Colorado.
Absolutely no one recognised yet, nada, zilch.
I'll give it another week.3 -
Blimey, anyone would think you're related to Golfiejimmymelrose said:
Three weeks now.Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
The Premier League has finished.
How many more excuses?
Just face it: TS hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I can't believe from the threads on the play-offs and Sunderland that people think we stand a chance. It's like Everton fans thinking that they'll finish in the top six next season. 8 -
Has there actually been any excuses? Only conjecture, guessing and innuendo, not even a rumour.jimmymelrose said:
Three weeks now.Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
The Premier League has finished.
How many more excuses?
Just face it: TS hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I can't believe from the threads on the play-offs and Sunderland that people think we stand a chance. It's like Everton fans thinking that they'll finish in the top six next season.
How can there be more if there hasn't been any?3 -
Brian Blackbox now at 4/1.
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Adkins had a fully fit version of Bowyer's squad.ricky_otto said:
On the manager point - Bowyer walked, Adkins had a good end to the season he took over - so initially looked a good appointment, he was then sacked (and rightly so), Jackson impressed in the caretaker spell, and the fans would have been up in arms if he hadn’t got the job. Jackson failed his remit and was outed.FAVADDICK said:Remarkable job
4th manager is 2 years
One of the worse seasons going
Separated from stadium and training ground
No manager
Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
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Slade was appointed on 6th June.
Peeters was appointed on 28th May.
Dowie was appointed on 30th May.
Too many people want everything instantly. I don’t remember the same kind of impatience while waiting for the above managerial appointments. None of them worked out but I’d reason that was down to WHO was chosen and not WHEN they were announced.
If we’re rolling into pre season (day one likely 20th June) with no manager, that’s a problem. Equally, I would like them to be in place a week or so prior which at least gives us a chance to properly recruit players to integrate into the squad at the earliest opportunity.
If we’re still in this boat two weeks from now (the famous two weeks) then I will be concerned. But until then, I think chill pills are needed…9 -
He was in the Fulham Crew that used to go to Lurkers gigs in an old hearse. Or was it an ambulance car?Cordoban Addick said:
Is it true that he was on the cover of one of the albums(Fulham Fallout)? Or is it just an urban myth?JamesSeed said:
He was a massive Lurkers fan. No way would he put up with Sandgaard’s pomp rock.DubaiCAFC said:
I have heard lots of podcast ex players playing under him, and ever single one, have said he is the worst manager they have played under. Changing rooms ran riot, no man management, tactical unaware, lacked personality! I really hope notpaulfox said:There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣
He’s supposed to be in the audience in a photo, but not sure if it’s used inside the Fulham Fallout gatefold sleeve, or elsewhere. I’ve forgotten basically. Will check it out.
They were great live. Ramonesy style punk with a light touch, and a singer that looked like Paul McCartney. Esso the drummer was a top fella, as was Arturo.Apologies AFKA, way off topic.New manager to be announced on Thursday?3 -
Stuart Pearce just left West Ham,according to todays Sun.3
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Here’s o r to get chewing on chaps - Jody Morris was interviewed both at the time Jackson was appointed and since he has been sacked6
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NO!!!!!!!!!DOUCHER said:Here’s o r to get chewing on chaps - Jody Morris was interviewed both at the time Jackson was appointed and since he has been sacked4 -
Thought this place needed a little livener - its 100% true and stacks up with our Chelsea links1
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If it's Jody Morris then I'm out.7
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Jackson had a fully fit version of Adkins squad and won games. Jackson had an injury ravaged version of Adkins squad and lost games......wmcf123 said:
Adkins had a fully fit version of Bowyer's squad.ricky_otto said:
On the manager point - Bowyer walked, Adkins had a good end to the season he took over - so initially looked a good appointment, he was then sacked (and rightly so), Jackson impressed in the caretaker spell, and the fans would have been up in arms if he hadn’t got the job. Jackson failed his remit and was outed.FAVADDICK said:Remarkable job
4th manager is 2 years
One of the worse seasons going
Separated from stadium and training ground
No manager
Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏5 -
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Very, very highly rated in the game. Horrible little shit as a player, but so was Bowyer. I suppose he was our little shit, but still.DOUCHER said:Here’s o r to get chewing on chaps - Jody Morris was interviewed both at the time Jackson was appointed and since he has been sacked5 -
In September 2001, Morris, Chelsea teammates John Terry, Frank Lampard and Eiður Guðjohnsen, and Leicester City's Frank Sinclair, were drunk and unruly in a Heathrow Airport hotel containing many Americans left stranded by the September 11 attacks. The Chelsea quartet were each fined two weeks' wages, totalling around £100,000, which was donated to the 9/11 relief efforts.[33][34][35]
In August 2002, Morris, along with fellow footballers John Terry and Des Byrne, was cleared of a charge of affray in relation to an incident at a nightclub.[36][37] In 2006, Morris drove down a one-way street the wrong way while three times over the drink-drive limit.[38] This resulted in a driving ban for four years, 80 hours of community service and a two-year suspended jail sentence.[39]
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Or all 3 had there hands tied behind their back in terms of recruitment, budgets or choosing their own staff.................. It wasn't even who or when.Callumcafc said:Slade was appointed on 6th June.
Peeters was appointed on 28th May.
Dowie was appointed on 30th May.
Too many people want everything instantly. I don’t remember the same kind of impatience while waiting for the above managerial appointments. None of them worked out but I’d reason that was down to WHO was chosen and not WHEN they were announced.
If we’re rolling into pre season (day one likely 20th June) with no manager, that’s a problem. Equally, I would like them to be in place a week or so prior which at least gives us a chance to properly recruit players to integrate into the squad at the earliest opportunity.
If we’re still in this boat two weeks from now (the famous two weeks) then I will be concerned. But until then, I think chill pills are needed…0 -
Is Morris not quite highly regarded as a coach though?3
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Tommy Wright, ex-St Johnstone and Kilmarnock…0
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Interviews were for managers job not coach0
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What do people have against Jody Morris as a Manager?
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Is he?Cafc43v3r said:
Very, very highly rated in the game. Horrible little shit as a player, but so was Bowyer. I suppose he was our little shit, but still.DOUCHER said:Here’s o r to get chewing on chaps - Jody Morris was interviewed both at the time Jackson was appointed and since he has been sacked
Wheres he been since he left Chelsea?
Again.
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Morris is an interesting one to throw into the mix. Believe he is very well thought of in the game as a coach but as mentioned above does come with some off the field issues from his playing days.0
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So he got in trouble 15-20 years ago! Nothing since? I'm guessing he has grown up a lot since then.Henry Irving said:In September 2001, Morris, Chelsea teammates John Terry, Frank Lampard and Eiður Guðjohnsen, and Leicester City's Frank Sinclair, were drunk and unruly in a Heathrow Airport hotel containing many Americans left stranded by the September 11 attacks. The Chelsea quartet were each fined two weeks' wages, totalling around £100,000, which was donated to the 9/11 relief efforts.[33][34][35]
In August 2002, Morris, along with fellow footballers John Terry and Des Byrne, was cleared of a charge of affray in relation to an incident at a nightclub.[36][37] In 2006, Morris drove down a one-way street the wrong way while three times over the drink-drive limit.[38] This resulted in a driving ban for four years, 80 hours of community service and a two-year suspended jail sentence.[39]
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