It's the owner who needs a reality check first..needs to appoint a manager on the understanding the former is there to manage/coach ,support them in the market and understand that he understands sfa compared to the people he employs.
Very disappointed about sandgaard talking about pressing games etc ( presumably that comes from his son who will also know SFA compared to the professionals)
I am not optimistic about anyone being successful given the above but we need to appoint a strong manager quickly
Who ever we appoint will be a gamble because the Charlton gig has so much baggage attached to it over quite a few years with punch drunk fans and a cynical fan base that need to stop protesting and enjoy the football; Impossible at the moment I do concur.
I can't see this happening but Curbs as mentor and a "director of football" working 30 odd hours a week with plenty of time off for golf days, with a young coach Michael Beale who at 40 really needs to stop just being an innovative coach and see if he can be head coach/ manager back where his football career started with a wise old head like Alan Lewellyn Curbishley to help with the daily issues of how to run a football club and give advise to MB on how to deal with media, owner etc which has never been Michael's remit up to now. Plus how to deal with the clowns behind you in the dug outs who know better than you despite never having set up a kids team let alone a third tier pro team.
Beale and Curbs as the dream team ? Just not sure that Thomas Sandgaard will buy into this but what a waste of Curbs experience which would be invaluable to Beale.
Beale won't need any advise on the various formations. The better the players the easier the job.
Would be my absolute dream setup. Do think if we're going the young head coach role you do need some experience around them for them to work with and have for advice.
This from my spanner brother when I asked him about Harris at the scum: ”Very defensive. One goal lead shut up shop. Not great at making tactical substitutions. Nearly always left it too late and like for like. We often drew or lost games in the last ten minutes. But he may have changed.”
Rotherham average attendance is under 10000 there training ground is 2 pitches and a porta cabin. On the side of a county senior team parkgate. The ground which they used for about 3 years before they could afford to buy the cabins.
The referee changing room was wooden shed where the roof sags so much with the damp it was ready to cave in and you put a broom at the door to keep it shut.
Are we really less attractive than Rotherham because there in the championship. For probably 1 season again.
Don’t know why some of you support us if that’s how you see us.
Yes.
If we and Rotherham were both in the same league and going for an out of work manager, then I'd expect we'd be more attractive in most cases, but we're not.
Add to that Warne has been at Rotherham 13 years, and presumably his family are settled in the area etc.
I usually dislike the summer and get bored without the football. This summer will be interesting and before you know it we will have the football round again. Am I right in thinking the last two managers appointed in order to start a fresh season were Dowie and Peeters?
Rotherham average attendance is under 10000 there training ground is 2 pitches and a porta cabin. On the side of a county senior team parkgate. The ground which they used for about 3 years before they could afford to buy the cabins.
The referee changing room was wooden shed where the roof sags so much with the damp it was ready to cave in and you put a broom at the door to keep it shut.
Are we really less attractive than Rotherham because there in the championship. For probably 1 season again.
Don’t know why some of you support us if that’s how you see us.
Warne, the former club captain and local school teacher who has lived there most of his life, and has a job for as long as he wants it. Is going to ditch that for our clown show. I bet unemployed Skiverton thinks Yeovil wasn't that bad now.......
I like euell but keeping him and the goalkeeper coach and forcing them on the new manager im not a fan off
should be a clean sweep and let them bring who they feel they want and need
I suppose there is the fear that if they don't get it done as soon as they like they need someone there. When is the first day of preason, when are they coming in to be weighed, who is going to show the superstar signings that Martin has snaffled round?
I like euell but keeping him and the goalkeeper coach and forcing them on the new manager im not a fan off
should be a clean sweep and let them bring who they feel they want and need
I've been think about this and have come up with the following
1 they are highly rated and we don't want them to go 2 they may be more difficult to get rid of (expensive) contractually 3 we need someone in charge for pre season if this drags on
maybe they will go once a new manager is appointed
Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently.
Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision.
It was but the results at the time, along with the fanbase pretty much crying out for him to be made permanent did kind of force his hand. Some people are giving TS stick now for letting Jackson go, imagine if he'd let him go back then and appointed someone else?
I usually dislike the summer and get bored without the football. This summer will be interesting and before you know it we will have the football round again. Am I right in thinking the last two managers appointed in order to start a fresh season were Dowie and Peeters?
Russell Slade - easily forgotten though!
Not a good precedent, none of Dowie, Peeters or Slade lasted more than half a season!
I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that
(1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too
(2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available
(3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest
(4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge
(5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season
(6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?
(7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club
(8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell
(9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27
(10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements
(11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success
(12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him" "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke" "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella" "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left" "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke" "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"
(13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum: "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so." "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't." "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen." "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me" "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"
If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1.
And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
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should be a clean sweep and let them bring who they feel they want and need
Very disappointed about sandgaard talking about pressing games etc ( presumably that comes from his son who will also know SFA compared to the professionals)
I am not optimistic about anyone being successful given the above but we need to appoint a strong manager quickly
Would be my absolute dream setup. Do think if we're going the young head coach role you do need some experience around them for them to work with and have for advice.
”Very defensive. One goal lead shut up shop. Not great at making tactical substitutions. Nearly always left it too late and like for like. We often drew or lost games in the last ten minutes. But he may have changed.”
If we and Rotherham were both in the same league and going for an out of work manager, then I'd expect we'd be more attractive in most cases, but we're not.
Add to that Warne has been at Rotherham 13 years, and presumably his family are settled in the area etc.
He's not going to move to us.
Another Twitter rumour?
I doubt we could get a currently employed manager from a top league one club, never mind one from a higher division.
TS probably won't want to pay compensation so it'll be an out of work manager or an up and coming coach looking for their first managerial role.
1 they are highly rated and we don't want them to go
2 they may be more difficult to get rid of (expensive) contractually
3 we need someone in charge for pre season if this drags on
maybe they will go once a new manager is appointed
It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up.
Might as well stick a sign on the turnstiles saying:
"Dont forget, you're stuck here in League One forever"
Not true, they lasted two seasons ?
Summer and Autumn
(1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too
(2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available
(3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest
(4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge
(5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season
(6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?
(7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club
(8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell
(9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27
(10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements
(11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success
(12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL:
"Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him"
"Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke"
"Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella"
"Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left"
"Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke"
"If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"
(13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum:
"In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so."
"I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't."
"Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen."
"What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me"
"Matt Taylor is the GOAT"
If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1.
And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
PS Disclosure - if he gets the job I should be getting a "finders fee" from the Club - linked to his level of his success of course!!!