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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • edited June 2022
    Thought my laptop had packed up, nothing overnight from the insomniacs out there last night!!...., I'll turn out the lights and lock up till Monday eh.. B)
  • seth plum said:
    I remember Lyle Taylor saying like it or not footballers are a 'brand', and that 'I know my worth'.
    What he didn't say much about was that football is a team sport, and that somebody has to be prepared to pay you.
    There has been talk on here about Ben Chorley. Now he as a youngster was at Arsenal, and determined to be a professional footballer.
    481 games later it proved to be true, but what is impressive is that after being let go by Arsenal, he wasn't too proud to play for Tranmere, Stevenage and Leyton Orient amongst others. I think he was somebody who simply wanted to play, and always be involved in football wherever it took him. Not a person concerned about his 'brand', and he was prepared to accept that his 'worth' was wherever he could get a gig.
    I think at this period of his career he is steeped in football for its own sake and for the love of the game. He was also a determined and focused player, the last time I saw him play live was when Leyton Orient beat us 1-0 at the Valley.
    So the talk above about some footballers being a bit precious and up themselves resonates a bit, because the leagues also have people like Ben Chorley, Andy Hughes, Kevin Nugent, Danny Kedwell and the non-precious self deprecating Kevin Lisbie amongst many others who are in it for the game rather than for their brand, or to squeeze every penny out.
    Well said. It may just be where I am at but this choked me up a bit.
  • Had a problem with Wi-Fi working, as I’m abroad, any news?
  • Had a problem with Wi-Fi working, as I’m abroad, any news?
    Me too. I must be in the only internet black spot in Kent... near Folkestone.😊

  • Alex Dyer has had a long career in football and at 56 always works as a number 2 other than when he got the Kilmarnock job which resulted in the sack. Most of his best times in football were at Cafc.
  • As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out. 

    I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable. 
    Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially,  the £7m in ex-director loans. 

    As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it. 
    TS has bought the club name, its position in the Football League and the staff and player contracts - intangible assets, known in accounting as goodwill.  He doesn't own the ground, so he cannot enjoy any capital appreciation in that area.  That is why he is so desperate to get the team promoted from League 1, because that is the only way he can improve the value of his intangible assets.
  • As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out. 

    I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable. 
    Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially,  the £7m in ex-director loans. 

    As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it. 
    TS has bought the club name, its position in the Football League and the staff and player contracts - intangible assets, known in accounting as goodwill.  He doesn't own the ground, so he cannot enjoy any capital appreciation in that area.  That is why he is so desperate to get the team promoted from League 1, because that is the only way he can improve the value of his intangible assets.
    Desperate perhaps but unless money is spent in the right ways it’s a forlorn hope. 
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    England are playing Israel later.  Wave your flag and cheer on England. 

    No apologies from me for advertising football on a football forum.

    Enjoy.
  • edited June 2022
    supaclive said:
    seth plum said:
    If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
    The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.

    It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.

    I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.

    2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.

    What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is.  Or that TS genuinely can make this work?

    Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.

    Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.

    Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion.   But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.

    If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....
    Yes your points are good ones. Martin Sandgaard is qualified in as much as he is the son of the owner. Doesn’t that qualify him to be eyes and ears if we stop short of interference?
    We hear for example of sandwich man’s fawning and disguise, we see money being allocated for players such as Jayesimi and Kirk, not my money or your money either.
    Of course the buck stops with Thomas, and we all wish better decisions had been made, but pause for a minute. It would be ex pros and club insiders that Sandgaard would have been listening to, trusting even, and supporting with his wallet.
    Apart from the clear indulgence of Schwartz, are there any other players at the club that you think are Sandgaard signings?
    As for losing credibility, in some quarters Sandgaard has lost all credibility for ever more, but right now there is nobody else prepared to pay the bills.
  • Ryan Walker…..who he?
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  • Ryan Walker…..who he?
    Journalist who covers Swindon Town
  • Oh really….thanks guys.🤙
  • paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
  • Ryan Walker…..who he?
    Lead (only?) writer for Total sports Swindon.  
  • edited June 2022
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
  • CHG said:
    Ryan Walker…..who he?


    Only 669 followers seems low for a journalist who covers three popular sports in that area if he was a main journo ?

    Sounds similar to what Richard Cawley said about Ben Garner weeks ago.

    It does sounds feasible though and let's hope it's true.
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