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Maybe they would like a look at JFH...🤞North Lower Neil said:Apparently Robinson is one of the favourites to get the QPR job!1 -
So the problem with Adkins is football changed so much in 18 months so the solution is Curbs who has been out of the game more more like 18 years?soapboxsam said:Mark Warburton is an interesting character:
A successful trader in the city in his late 30's with plenty of *money in the bank he turns his back on that lavish lifestyle to follow his dream of coaching in professional football. He travelled Europe watching the difference coaching methods of top European clubs.
The big difference with Nigel Adkins is despite Mark being 59 to NA's 57, Mark Warburton has stayed working in the crazy world of football with all its politics and maverick owners. Nigel Adkins took the time out and then found football never stops evolving with constant new formations and agents becoming more powerful than ever.
You need to be a strong character to manage Glasgow Rangers and he did that on their Journey back to the top table after their enforced relegations.
In the last 20+ years Warburton is over qualified in being a top coach, manager, director of football, plus with his background in the City he has also worked on Footballer's contracts.
The big issue would be MW wouldn't accept not having the main say in transfers and the Martin Sandgaard position at the club. Thomas Sandgaard would've to accept he has a very bright Manager on and off the pitch and give him 100% support.
So my choices would be either Mark Warburton with total managerial control or Curbs as "Director of football" with Michael Beale as manager/Head coach.
* Dough
Edit that ignores the fact Warburton had 18 months out between the forest and qpr jobs as well.2 -
Imagine Charlton TV with Robinson and Brownie on it, they'd have to double the length of the programmeCL_Phantom said:Karl Robinson.
No, seriously, we got the wingers for his formation, hes got the style, worked with a tit of an owner before.
Give him a proper budget and some decent players, will be intereting to see what he could do. We´ll be the league one Realcitonapool!
#comehomerobbo
#unfinishedbusiness
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Re JFH. Thank the football gods.
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killerandflash said:
Imagine Charlton TV with Robinson and Brownie on it, they'd have to double the length of the programmeCL_Phantom said:Karl Robinson.
No, seriously, we got the wingers for his formation, hes got the style, worked with a tit of an owner before.
Give him a proper budget and some decent players, will be intereting to see what he could do. We´ll be the league one Realcitonapool!
#comehomerobbo
#unfinishedbusiness
Would start as a Saturday morning football pannel and end as a late night chat show.2 -
That in itself means we must have made a shortlist by now for it to be so certain JFH isn't the next manager.Chunes said:
Unless someone within Charlton has made TS aware it would not be a popular move.0 -
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That's a relief!Chunes said:0 -
Chunes said:
As if that lazy fuck would have been running anywhere22 -
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Have we got one yet..?
Anyway, my great suggestions should look as valid come November, so I'll carry on.
How bout Guy Luzon hey..?
Yes, but wait a few days.
Right now he's probably having Independence day Mangal with Omer Adam at a dead sea carpark fanning with iphone
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Sources suggest that isn't the case.Redhenry said:no, I honestly believe they have just started looking
Whether they have found someone and they have agreed to come I don't know.4 -
He's been speaking to his Danish mate at Brentford too much and is basically trying copy their "moneyball" model and regurgitating what he will have told him in an attempt to make him sound knowledgeable but it just wreaks of arrogance unfortunatelyGravesend_Addick said:Sandgaard's comments since the announcement worry me. He's getting too involved in the running of the team.Talking about high press & defensive blocks like he knows what he's talking about.It's a worrying sign.The recruitment strategy worries me too. Don't think the manager has much say. I cant see the club progressing until he changes his approach & starts putting the team above his own egoWhy can't we just be a normal football club??
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What’s Allan Simonsen up to these days?Showmetheway2gohome said:Surprised Laudrop hasn’t been mentioned this time2 -
What I suspect happened with Adkins is that he took the job on the understanding we would play a certain way and didn't have much say in his players. I think it was Kirk, but I recall when we signed a player, Adkins said he hadn't had a chance to speak with him yet. What this did was tied his hands behind his back and he didn't have the players to play how he was pressured into playing. So I don't actually blame him but he had to go as we were in a mess.
I firmly believe that the trick to being a successful owner of a club like ours is to find a good manager and support him. Murray did this, but when Curbs left, he created a new system that bypassed the manager. Maybe, the manager doesn't have to be a genius but the key is to support him. Curbs was a great manager but maybe it would work with a good manager. It worked with Powell.4 -
Cafc43v3r said:
So the problem with Adkins is football changed so much in 18 months so the solution is Curbs who has been out of the game more more like 18 years?soapboxsam said:Mark Warburton is an interesting character:
A successful trader in the city in his late 30's with plenty of *money in the bank he turns his back on that lavish lifestyle to follow his dream of coaching in professional football. He travelled Europe watching the difference coaching methods of top European clubs.
The big difference with Nigel Adkins is despite Mark being 59 to NA's 57, Mark Warburton has stayed working in the crazy world of football with all its politics and maverick owners. Nigel Adkins took the time out and then found football never stops evolving with constant new formations and agents becoming more powerful than ever.
You need to be a strong character to manage Glasgow Rangers and he did that on their Journey back to the top table after their enforced relegations.
In the last 20+ years Warburton is over qualified in being a top coach, manager, director of football, plus with his background in the City he has also worked on Footballer's contracts.
The big issue would be MW wouldn't accept not having the main say in transfers and the Martin Sandgaard position at the club. Thomas Sandgaard would've to accept he has a very bright Manager on and off the pitch and give him 100% support.
So my choices would be either Mark Warburton with total managerial control or Curbs as "Director of football" with Michael Beale as manager/Head coach.
* Dough
Edit that ignores the fact Warburton had 18 months out between the forest and qpr jobs as well.
I'm still getting over you said I listen to people in the park !
While Atkins was doing lovely walks, Warburton was working in football keeping abreast of players and his contacts. Nigel was doing motivation speeches away from football. Was he out of football as long as I thought, no he wasn't, but after hearing him on two Zooms he really wasn't coherent other than saying Watson was the best player in training.
A total insult to Curbs if you think he couldn't be a "director of Football" at Charlton. Beale would pick the team and dictate formations and Tatics. Curbs would be important in trying to stop the fans, critics deserting in their thousands and being the conduit with the Sandgaards.
Do I think that scenario will happen?
No.0 -
Three things
JFH was a poor player for us as we got him too late. Irrelevant to his ability as a manager. Would he be my choice? No, but he's done a decent job at Burton on a tiny budget.
Martin Sandgaard can't be manager as you need badges these days. He ain't got them.
Thomas very unlikely to appoint a woman IMHO because, among many reasons he's, by his own admission, not PC or woke, meaningless and overused as those words now are. See "Ladies" team5 -
I have seen that JFH is in the running for Barnsley job. As mentioned by others not my first choice.
Cawley coming out and saying that would suggest that the search is getting down to the nitty gritty and hopefully, we have an appointment soon.2 -
If we got a manager in we could be confident he would do the job, it would probably cost us more than we have. JFH is probably just as likely to be a success as anybody else. We simply don't know.
If we were in the running for a Dyche, Wilder or possibly at a pinch a Warburton, then we might be closer to having a great chance. But I doubt we are so there is significant risk.0 -
That's exactly how I see it.seth plum said:
I think there is a case to be made for this.Redhenry said:no, I honestly believe they have just started looking
Up until Ipswich away possibly TS was vacillating, but that performance, in front of him, and in front of loyal fans you hope would possibly buy season tickets may well have been the deciding factor.
Listening to the travelling supporters singing we're f#$##ing shit probably sealed Jackson's fate.1 -
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What I think we need to do is stop trying to be better than everybody else and instead try to be as good as we can be. The former implies there is a secret that nobody else knows where generally it is about having a vision and maximising your path to get there. There are different ways to get to where you want to be, and it isn't a paint by numbers process you can copy but rather a reactive one where those with the vision steer the ship.2
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Yep I agree with you on both counts.addick1956 said:
Weak leadership then. These are the same morons who sing the Adams family dross for Christ's sake.blackpool72 said:
That's exactly how I see it.seth plum said:
I think there is a case to be made for this.Redhenry said:no, I honestly believe they have just started looking
Up until Ipswich away possibly TS was vacillating, but that performance, in front of him, and in front of loyal fans you hope would possibly buy season tickets may well have been the deciding factor.
Listening to the travelling supporters singing we're f#$##ing shit probably sealed Jackson's fate.1 -
if we if we were going down the experienced route I’d be more than happy with Warburton. A good track record, great understanding of the game, huge network of contacts at all levels and understands the game has evolved and there needs to be some marriage of old skool attributes with modern technology and approaches.Whether Sandgaard would be his bag and potential limitations of influence would put him off, that’s another question.8
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Henry Irving said:
Sources suggest that isn't the case.Redhenry said:no, I honestly believe they have just started looking
Whether they have found someone and they have agreed to come I don't know.
hope so...2 -
Depends on whether we’re hiring a manager or a head coach. I have a feeling (based on absolutely no inside info) that it might be the latter.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I don't like the suggestion that we can press full steam ahead with recruitment notwithstanding the new manager may not be in place until late in the window.
The players we would want to recruit for, say Gareth Ainsworth or Daniel Farke would be totally different.
It would be a nonsense not to get the manager's involvement.0 -
Sandgaard likes the initials of Tim Sherwood 🤣0
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It's not a total insult if its not a job he wants or is ever, realistically, going to be offered.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
So the problem with Adkins is football changed so much in 18 months so the solution is Curbs who has been out of the game more more like 18 years?soapboxsam said:Mark Warburton is an interesting character:
A successful trader in the city in his late 30's with plenty of *money in the bank he turns his back on that lavish lifestyle to follow his dream of coaching in professional football. He travelled Europe watching the difference coaching methods of top European clubs.
The big difference with Nigel Adkins is despite Mark being 59 to NA's 57, Mark Warburton has stayed working in the crazy world of football with all its politics and maverick owners. Nigel Adkins took the time out and then found football never stops evolving with constant new formations and agents becoming more powerful than ever.
You need to be a strong character to manage Glasgow Rangers and he did that on their Journey back to the top table after their enforced relegations.
In the last 20+ years Warburton is over qualified in being a top coach, manager, director of football, plus with his background in the City he has also worked on Footballer's contracts.
The big issue would be MW wouldn't accept not having the main say in transfers and the Martin Sandgaard position at the club. Thomas Sandgaard would've to accept he has a very bright Manager on and off the pitch and give him 100% support.
So my choices would be either Mark Warburton with total managerial control or Curbs as "Director of football" with Michael Beale as manager/Head coach.
* Dough
Edit that ignores the fact Warburton had 18 months out between the forest and qpr jobs as well.
I'm still getting over you said I listen to people in the park !
While Atkins was doing lovely walks, Warburton was working in football keeping abreast of players and his contacts. Nigel was doing motivation speeches away from football. Was he out of football as long as I thought, no he wasn't, but after hearing him on two Zooms he really wasn't coherent other than saying Watson was the best player in training.
A total insult to Curbs if you think he couldn't be a "director of Football" at Charlton. Beale would pick the team and dictate formations and Tatics. Curbs would be important in trying to stop the fans, critics deserting in their thousands and being the conduit with the Sandgaards.
Do I think that scenario will happen?
No.
Curbs at the end of a phone or half an hour over a pint if the manager wants should be his level of his involvement, for everyone's sake.
What work was Warburton doing?1 -
Even if it happens we are recruiting a "head coach" I don't think they should be foisted a squad without some input.se9addick said:
Depends on whether we’re hiring a manager or a head coach. I have a feeling (based on absolutely no inside info) that it might be the latter.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I don't like the suggestion that we can press full steam ahead with recruitment notwithstanding the new manager may not be in place until late in the window.
The players we would want to recruit for, say Gareth Ainsworth or Daniel Farke would be totally different.
It would be a nonsense not to get the manager's involvement.
I don't trust the Sandguards to piece together a squad with any degree of joined up thinking, particularly if Gallen is only there to negotiate.
Tommy bleating on about high press etc like he know what he is talking about, when he has players like Stockley and Aneke who couldn't press their trousers5 -
Cawley’s ruled out Sol Campbell.
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Henry Irving said:Three things
JFH was a poor player for us as we got him too late. Irrelevant to his ability as a manager. Would he be my choice? No, but he's done a decent job at Burton on a tiny budget.
Martin Sandgaard can't be manager as you need badges these days. He ain't got them.
Thomas very unlikely to appoint a woman IMHO because, among many reasons he's, by his own admission, not PC or woke, meaningless and overused as those words now are. See "Ladies" team
Agree Henry.
Emma Hayes the successful Chelsea women's manager felt insulted when Wimbledon wondered if she was interested.
Not because she couldn't do the Job but that it wasn't a bigger club ! Emma can swear like a trooper and would take no nonsense and has all the qualifications starting when she was 20 years old, but it would be a backward step to go to a 3rd tier or lower club in the macho world of men's football.
Just my opinion but the first female manager in the men's game in the top 5 tiers will already be a manager in the men's game at a lower level. I can't give any names because I haven't seen any in the Kent League or around step 4 and 5 in semi pro football. Work your way up in the men's game so you know what to expect from the dinosaurs who think their the first person to say passe "jokes' that were so last century.
Could be still a decade away ?0
