I know nothing about football management or club ownership, but I'm still hopeful that TS is putting us on the right track. When he took over all I wanted was a saviour. Now the dust has settled I want the success to flow, but can't help remembering that the shitshow before he arrived almost resulted in oblivion. I'm still in the TS is a good guy camp, however recognise that his style pisses some people off. I remain grateful though for his investment so far and believe that he wants to get it right, but running the club right and being successful aren't always the same thing.
I hope i am wrong but the recent announcement on Charlton official site, seems 'code' to me, that there is nothing doing, and that an instant announcement ,with great fanfare, wont happen on T Ss return.The part about pure speculation, with very little fact, on social media (so to CL) is mostly B S , seems very profound to me,Again hoping i am wrong, and this is a distraction, for reasons unknown .I am sure that under the present circumstances the switchboard will be running hot, for sign ups, for Charlton T V mmm.And then there is Memberships. T S Is learning the hard way .Expect another season of struggle
Sandgaard has already created unnecessary pressure for Garner.
I beg to differ.
The way i see it is that when it was first announced that it was likely to be Garner there was almost unanimous disapproval. Who's he? Never heard of him. Couldn't get promoted out of league 2. Cheap option. Fucking Swindon blah blah blah.
Now as this saga has dragged on and on and on, pretty much everyone would now be disappointed if it ISN'T Garner.
I know nothing about football management or club ownership, but I'm still hopeful that TS is putting us on the right track. When he took over all I wanted was a saviour. Now the dust has settled I want the success to flow, but can't help remembering that the shitshow before he arrived almost resulted in oblivion. I'm still in the TS is a good guy camp, however recognise that his style pisses some people off. I remain grateful though for his investment so far and believe that he wants to get it right, but running the club right and being successful aren't always the same thing.
100%, although I fear things could go wrong this season and the s*** will hit the fan. If we get off to a bad start people will immediately point to Garner's lack of experience and coming in from a division below ours.
Id be pretty confident in the fact that Cawley and Nixon were fed the information from the Swindon end at the same time, Rich went to check the facts and Nixon just put it out and the SLP followed suit once it was in the public domain
I wonder why some people trusting TS over Cawley (someone that has for years provided consistently accurate information) on this one . All of a sudden, for some, Cawley is a chancer that doesn’t check his sources and goes with whatever he reads on Twitter . The blind faith in TS is absolutely baffling .
I know nothing about football management or club ownership, but I'm still hopeful that TS is putting us on the right track. When he took over all I wanted was a saviour. Now the dust has settled I want the success to flow, but can't help remembering that the shitshow before he arrived almost resulted in oblivion. I'm still in the TS is a good guy camp, however recognise that his style pisses some people off. I remain grateful though for his investment so far and believe that he wants to get it right, but running the club right and being successful aren't always the same thing.
I am in that camp too but have a nagging concern that in terms of running a football club, he hasn't got a clue. I am longing for the evidence to bin that concern but am still waiting for it. I think the spivs did know but clearly didn't have the funds. It isn't about the detail but understanding what the basics are then seeing them ticked off. And not to allow wishful thinking to cloud what you see.
Either Cawley can copy really fast or the story broke to both him and Nixon from the Swindon end at the same time.
I don’t believe that Cawley uses Alan Nixon’s patreon subscription as a source.
Or Cawley had it first but only put it out when he saw Nixon had. As I recall Nixon had been teasing it for a while. People need to get over the idea that a Charlton local reporter would 1) be fed a story by Swindon and 2) just take it at face value and put it straight out - it doesn’t work like that.
You do talk in riddles sometimes ! I like the drama though 🙂
Can’t you just tell us what you understand to be the case ? And not leave questions hanging.
I don’t understand why from what you suggest Cawley only put it out after Nixon and not before for example.
I’ve been clear already that I believe the stories from Rich Cawley and the Swindon local reporter are properly sourced and accurate.
The reality is that as a local reporter you don’t put out everything you know as soon as you know it, because that isn’t always the best thing to do. But if someone else breaks a story you already have there is no merit in holding on to it any further.
The other stuff is something I’ve heard and believe may be true but I’m not able to confirm it myself.
That doesn’t (for me) explain why Cawley didn’t publish ASAP and only after Nixon.
If properly sourced it was (relative for us) newsworthy and not obvious why it would need to wait.
Either Cawley can copy really fast or the story broke to both him and Nixon from the Swindon end at the same time.
I don’t believe that Cawley uses Alan Nixon’s patreon subscription as a source.
Or Cawley had it first but only put it out when he saw Nixon had. As I recall Nixon had been teasing it for a while. People need to get over the idea that a Charlton local reporter would 1) be fed a story by Swindon and 2) just take it at face value and put it straight out - it doesn’t work like that.
You do talk in riddles sometimes ! I like the drama though 🙂
Can’t you just tell us what you understand to be the case ? And not leave questions hanging.
I don’t understand why from what you suggest Cawley only put it out after Nixon and not before for example.
I’ve been clear already that I believe the stories from Rich Cawley and the Swindon local reporter are properly sourced and accurate.
The reality is that as a local reporter you don’t put out everything you know as soon as you know it, because that isn’t always the best thing to do. But if someone else breaks a story you already have there is no merit in holding on to it any further.
The other stuff is something I’ve heard and believe may be true but I’m not able to confirm it myself.
That doesn’t (for me) explain why Cawley didn’t publish ASAP and only after Nixon.
If properly sourced it was (relative for us) newsworthy and not obvious why it would need to wait.
Because he would have needed to validate the information before putting it out there, if he immediately put out everything he heard he would very quickly lose all credibility when some of those things turn out to be wrong.
I wonder why some people trusting TS over Cawley (someone that has for years provided consistently accurate information) on this one . All of a sudden, for some, Cawley is a chancer that doesn’t check his sources and goes with whatever he reads on Twitter . The blind faith in TS is absolutely baffling .
I've read, with interest, the last 246 pages of this thread on a regular basis. All the different rumours, some people reading twitter etal and making up their minds it must be true. TS gets hammered for not moving to OUR timescale, then he gets hammered when Garner was first mentioned that we are shopping in Aldi when it should be Waitrose, then as people read up on Garner they then think, oh, this could be a good appt, followed by why are we haggling over compo, why is he not here yet...so on and so forth. Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media. Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right? However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-: Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly. Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager? Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA? No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet. Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF. As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take. Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all. The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
I wonder why some people trusting TS over Cawley (someone that has for years provided consistently accurate information) on this one . All of a sudden, for some, Cawley is a chancer that doesn’t check his sources and goes with whatever he reads on Twitter . The blind faith in TS is absolutely baffling .
So, does TS have an agenda that is opposite to what the fans want? Why would he waste all his time going through a legal battle to gain control of the club, not to mention his money, just to piss off the fans! What purpose would that serve?
The conspiracy theorists on here are verging on the ridiculous?
I wonder why some people trusting TS over Cawley (someone that has for years provided consistently accurate information) on this one . All of a sudden, for some, Cawley is a chancer that doesn’t check his sources and goes with whatever he reads on Twitter . The blind faith in TS is absolutely baffling .
So, does TS have an agenda that is opposite to what the fans want? Why would he waste all his time going through a legal battle to gain control of the club, not to mention his money, just to piss off the fans! What purpose would that serve?
The conspiracy theorists on here are verging on the ridiculous?
As I've said before, we're like an abused animal, cowering and lashing out at our inexperienced new zookeeper, even though he's trying to feed us (but he's DOING IT WRONG)
If Ben Garner get the managers/ head coaches job, one thing is clear It's all about good working relationships on and off the pitch between Owner, CEO, Manager, coaches, scouts, players, ground staff, and admin. When you don't have these links in place, the chain is broken and continuity is impossible to achieve.
Thomas Sandgaard has the right to run Cafc as he wants BUT he will struggle to achieve any success on or off the pitch if he doesn't delegate and have the correct skills in the appropriate jobs.
Can a fanbase collectively attend therapy? Get someone miked up at half time to talk us through our deeper feelings. The Crossbar Challenge takes place wordlessly in an atmosphere of serene contemplation
I've read, with interest, the last 246 pages of this thread on a regular basis. All the different rumours, some people reading twitter etal and making up their minds it must be true. TS gets hammered for not moving to OUR timescale, then he gets hammered when Garner was first mentioned that we are shopping in Aldi when it should be Waitrose, then as people read up on Garner they then think, oh, this could be a good appt, followed by why are we haggling over compo, why is he not here yet...so on and so forth. Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media. Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right? However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-: Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly. Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager? Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA? No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet. Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF. As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take. Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all. The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.
I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?
Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.
Do the club not have a right to handle their affairs as they see fit, even if the majority of us don't like that stance?
Indeed, but if they deliberately mislead fans in the process then they should expect damage to the credibility of those responsible.
The media also have a right to report on the club's affairs as they see fit within the law regardless of what the current owner thinks about that.
Let's see how it plays out, shall we? The media view is that Garner has the job - I doubt if a qualification over job title, contract length, etc, would seem to most people a proportionate reason to rubbish the stories that are out there.
If the media have it substantively wrong then they will get the reputational hit. That's the nature of the business.
The media frequently "get it wrong", that's one of the reasons why news paper circulation is dropping. Remember the saying. "Don't believe all you read newspapers". Garner may well have been offered the job but until its signed, settled, sealed and announced on the clubs site, he's not manager of Charlton Athletic, whatever Crawley or any other Journo's speculate.
1) It’s really not. There are all sorts of reasons print sales are falling but a decline in the quality of (football) reporting isn’t one of them.
2) What if he’s actually signed a contract and been at the training ground for talks with staff?
1. Beg to differ there Rick. Maybe you consider some sports journalist scouring social media for stories quality reporting. 2. Speculation or proof Rick that he's signed a contract.
Not surprised if he's been at the training ground to talk with staff. Why wouldn't he, certainly prior to signing a contract and getting a feel for the place.
Social media is unquestionably a way information gets shared, but the idea journalists like Cawley don’t have original sources and work them is simply not correct.
I was questioning your opinion that generally the quality of football reporting hasn't fallen, not that Crawley gets his information from social media. Folk on here need to read exactly what Crawley actually said. "Barring any last-minute hitches he is set to be
confirmed in the post."
I've read, with interest, the last 246 pages of this thread on a regular basis. All the different rumours, some people reading twitter etal and making up their minds it must be true. TS gets hammered for not moving to OUR timescale, then he gets hammered when Garner was first mentioned that we are shopping in Aldi when it should be Waitrose, then as people read up on Garner they then think, oh, this could be a good appt, followed by why are we haggling over compo, why is he not here yet...so on and so forth. Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media. Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right? However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-: Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly. Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager? Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA? No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet. Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF. As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take. Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all. The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
If there is a NDA in place then it would have been at TS's insistence not Swindon's. They wanted to go public at least a week ago going by what their chairman said on their OS.
Seeing as the players report back for pre-season next friday I'm more worried about the (usual) lack of signings than lack of a manager. You can play a match without a manager, you cant play without players.
But this season was going to be different......wasn't it ??
I've read, with interest, the last 246 pages of this thread on a regular basis. All the different rumours, some people reading twitter etal and making up their minds it must be true. TS gets hammered for not moving to OUR timescale, then he gets hammered when Garner was first mentioned that we are shopping in Aldi when it should be Waitrose, then as people read up on Garner they then think, oh, this could be a good appt, followed by why are we haggling over compo, why is he not here yet...so on and so forth. Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media. Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right? However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-: Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly. Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager? Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA? No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet. Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF. As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take. Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all. The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
If there is a NDA in place then it would have been at TS's insistence not Swindon's. They wanted to go public at least a week ago going by what their chairman said on their OS.
Seeing as the players report back for pre-season next friday I'm more worried about the (usual) lack of signings than lack of a manager. You can play a match without a manager, you cant play without players.
But this season was going to be different......wasn't it ??
Dont worry, Marquis, Aiden O´brien and Bostock will all be unvieled as soon as we annouce Garner (Officially)
The 250 page landmark draws ever closer and I
must apologise for having been somewhat premature the other day when,
after seeing it reported that Garner had agreed a two year deal, I
came on here and wrote that the thread would soon be consigned to
history, or words to that effect. However, when it does finally
close, it might be apt to rename it like they do episodes of Friends,
seeing as we all are deep down in wanting the best for our Club. I'd suggest “The Garnergate
Saga – The one with Scrodinger’s cat!”
I
mean, quite apart from the unexpected appearance of that animal, be
it smelly or not, the thread has veered wildly off track at times, like a rampaging rogue elephant, and has provided great entertainment
and humour. Amidst much mixed messaging and confusion, the video of
that elderly gent delivering a letter to the EFL was perhaps the most
bizarre ‘WTF’ moment of all of for me, and the clip from Pheonix
Nights posted shortly after by way of reaction had me in stitches.
Today
maybe (maybe not) the day some sanity is restored, but won’t that be
boring if it is? I’m hoping our new man will be
‘Oooh Aah Ben Garner’, not just because I’ve now convinced myself that he’ll do us proud, but also because it’s
taken me ages to come up with a suitable chant to greet him with,
which I’m keeping to myself until I see him on the official site
wearing Scarfy.
Either Cawley can copy really fast or the story broke to both him and Nixon from the Swindon end at the same time.
I don’t believe that Cawley uses Alan Nixon’s patreon subscription as a source.
Or Cawley had it first but only put it out when he saw Nixon had. As I recall Nixon had been teasing it for a while. People need to get over the idea that a Charlton local reporter would 1) be fed a story by Swindon and 2) just take it at face value and put it straight out - it doesn’t work like that.
You do talk in riddles sometimes ! I like the drama though 🙂
Can’t you just tell us what you understand to be the case ? And not leave questions hanging.
I don’t understand why from what you suggest Cawley only put it out after Nixon and not before for example.
I’ve been clear already that I believe the stories from Rich Cawley and the Swindon local reporter are properly sourced and accurate.
The reality is that as a local reporter you don’t put out everything you know as soon as you know it, because that isn’t always the best thing to do. But if someone else breaks a story you already have there is no merit in holding on to it any further.
The other stuff is something I’ve heard and believe may be true but I’m not able to confirm it myself.
That doesn’t (for me) explain why Cawley didn’t publish ASAP and only after Nixon.
If properly sourced it was (relative for us) newsworthy and not obvious why it would need to wait.
Because he would have needed to validate the information before putting it out there, if he immediately put out everything he heard he would very quickly lose all credibility when some of those things turn out to be wrong.
But @airman brown stated it was properly sourced already? So he abandoned additional checks because someone else went public on the basis two wrongs make a right?
Also given Crawley is only publishing to a very small readerships there wasn't any great need to publish just because Nixon (who most on here deride) tweeted something was there?
I'm just of the opinion this is largely a non story as to who said what & when & its more about TS wanting/needing to tie up some bits before he goes public - and we dont really know what that is.
Sandgaard has already created unnecessary pressure for Garner.
I beg to differ.
The way i see it is that when it was first announced that it was likely to be Garner there was almost unanimous disapproval. Who's he? Never heard of him. Couldn't get promoted out of league 2. Cheap option. Fucking Swindon blah blah blah.
Now as this saga has dragged on and on and on, pretty much everyone would now be disappointed if it ISN'T Garner.
Well i've been up all night again Party time wasting is too much fun Then I step back thinking Of life’s inner meaning And my latest fling It’s the same old story All love and glory It’s a pantomime
I've read, with interest, the last 246 pages of this thread on a regular basis. All the different rumours, some people reading twitter etal and making up their minds it must be true. TS gets hammered for not moving to OUR timescale, then he gets hammered when Garner was first mentioned that we are shopping in Aldi when it should be Waitrose, then as people read up on Garner they then think, oh, this could be a good appt, followed by why are we haggling over compo, why is he not here yet...so on and so forth. Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media. Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right? However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-: Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly. Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager? Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA? No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet. Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF. As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take. Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all. The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
If there is a NDA in place then it would have been at TS's insistence not Swindon's. They wanted to go public at least a week ago going by what their chairman said on their OS.
Seeing as the players report back for pre-season next friday I'm more worried about the (usual) lack of signings than lack of a manager. You can play a match without a manager, you cant play without players.
But this season was going to be different......wasn't it ??
Dont worry, Marquis, Aiden O´brien and Bostock will all be unvieled as soon as we annouce Garner (Officially)
I tend to agree but if Garner/who ever ? only has a 25% say as part of the committee then he may get out voted especially if Steve Gallen fancied a player and the Sandgaard's agree with Steve. Nigel Adkins did sound as if 25% was about his input but he knew that from his interview from Sandgaard that was the case. (NA words on Zoom) I remember Nigel saying " a manager must have some say on transfers"
Replace Ged Roddy with Martin Sandgaard and Nigel Adkins with Ben Garner/A N other and with Gallen and Thomas Sandgaard you have the committee.
I've read, with interest, the last 246 pages of this thread on a regular basis. All the different rumours, some people reading twitter etal and making up their minds it must be true. TS gets hammered for not moving to OUR timescale, then he gets hammered when Garner was first mentioned that we are shopping in Aldi when it should be Waitrose, then as people read up on Garner they then think, oh, this could be a good appt, followed by why are we haggling over compo, why is he not here yet...so on and so forth. Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media. Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right? However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-: Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly. Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager? Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA? No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet. Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF. As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take. Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all. The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
If there is a NDA in place then it would have been at TS's insistence not Swindon's. They wanted to go public at least a week ago going by what their chairman said on their OS.
Seeing as the players report back for pre-season next friday I'm more worried about the (usual) lack of signings than lack of a manager. You can play a match without a manager, you cant play without players.
But this season was going to be different......wasn't it ??
Have you and others considered this scenario. The Swindon chairman wanted to go public because he had agreed a package of compensation with Charlton and we had offered Garner the job. But, Garner has yet to sign and is considering offers or offer from another club. In that case it's not surprising that having negotiating the compensation payment Swindon's chairman is keen to get it over the line and we are still in the hunt for a new manager.
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The way i see it is that when it was first announced that it was likely to be Garner there was almost unanimous disapproval. Who's he? Never heard of him. Couldn't get promoted out of league 2. Cheap option. Fucking Swindon blah blah blah.
Now as this saga has dragged on and on and on, pretty much everyone would now be disappointed if it ISN'T Garner.
If we get off to a bad start people will immediately point to Garner's lack of experience and coming in from a division below ours.
Next its about Cawley and he has said this and that about Garner.....Club says not agreed.....people asking for a statement of some kind on OS (or from the club), they get one and then say...better to say nothing at all!! Whichever way this cuts, it doesn't seem to matter what TS does, he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. On a football forum there will always be difference of opinions and that is healthy, but what, in my opinion, is not healthy is the amount of 'vitriol' that TS and his family seem to be getting across social media.
Yes TS has made mistakes, quite a few tbh, but he has sunk a considerable amount of his own dosh into the club and surely has the right to take his time to get this next appt right?
However leaving all the above to one-side, I would like to offer a potential reason for the different takes on the Garner situation-:
Could it be that, as we are taking a manager from another club, the current club, Swindon, have asked for and got an official NDA in place? This would stop TS being able to confirm anything as fact. This NDA could also cover Swindon's ex - DoF and Garners coaches? A local journo from Swindon and Cawley did some digging and announced what they did, but CAFC, and indeed, Swindon Town FC have not confirmed any of it....publicly.
Swindon may even want to announce themselves, first, that Garner is leaving and at the same time give the name of their new Manager?
Broken NDA's can be expensive and TS may just be thinking that this money could be spent better than paying out for a breach of an NDA?
No-one knows, me included, if the above is right or wrong, but it would explain certain actions. It's no-ones fault, my guess is the Swindon journo and Cawley wanted to get a 99.9% true story out there in the public domain, but all CAFC can do is deny a deal is done, and that could be factual, if we haven't signed up Garners coaches yet.
Do I think it will be Garner - Yes - do I think he could be a good choice - absolutely - do I think it will be announced this week - Yes, along with his coaches and maybe the DoF.
As for us supporters, we just need to sit back and see what transpires, BUT biting the hand of the person who feeds you could be a very dangerous course to take.
Whether you like it or not, TS owns the club, is trying to sort out the mess that was left by RD, ESI and co. That is not going to happen overnight or 18 months in my opinion, however TS has a BIG season coming up, if he gets it wrong it'll cost him another £8m, get it right and 'happy days' for all.
The above will not sit well with many on here, but, only time will tell and time is something we all have to wait for.
The conspiracy theorists on here are verging on the ridiculous?
Should we get Mulder and Scully in?
If Ben Garner get the managers/ head coaches job, one thing is clear It's all about good working relationships on and off the pitch between Owner, CEO, Manager, coaches, scouts, players, ground staff, and admin. When you don't have these links in place, the chain is broken and continuity is impossible to achieve.
Thomas Sandgaard has the right to run Cafc as he wants BUT he will struggle to achieve any success on or off the pitch if he doesn't delegate and have the correct skills in the appropriate jobs.
Welcome to the Mardi gras.
Folk on here need to read exactly what Crawley actually said.
"Barring any last-minute hitches he is set to be confirmed in the post."
Seeing as the players report back for pre-season next friday I'm more worried about the (usual) lack of signings than lack of a manager. You can play a match without a manager, you cant play without players.
But this season was going to be different......wasn't it ??
Dont worry, Marquis, Aiden O´brien and Bostock will all be unvieled as soon as we annouce Garner (Officially)
The 250 page landmark draws ever closer and I must apologise for having been somewhat premature the other day when, after seeing it reported that Garner had agreed a two year deal, I came on here and wrote that the thread would soon be consigned to history, or words to that effect. However, when it does finally close, it might be apt to rename it like they do episodes of Friends, seeing as we all are deep down in wanting the best for our Club. I'd suggest “The Garnergate Saga – The one with Scrodinger’s cat!”
I mean, quite apart from the unexpected appearance of that animal, be it smelly or not, the thread has veered wildly off track at times, like a rampaging rogue elephant, and has provided great entertainment and humour. Amidst much mixed messaging and confusion, the video of that elderly gent delivering a letter to the EFL was perhaps the most bizarre ‘WTF’ moment of all of for me, and the clip from Pheonix Nights posted shortly after by way of reaction had me in stitches.
Today maybe (maybe not) the day some sanity is restored, but won’t that be boring if it is? I’m hoping our new man will be ‘Oooh Aah Ben Garner’, not just because I’ve now convinced myself that he’ll do us proud, but also because it’s taken me ages to come up with a suitable chant to greet him with, which I’m keeping to myself until I see him on the official site wearing Scarfy.
Also given Crawley is only publishing to a very small readerships there wasn't any great need to publish just because Nixon (who most on here deride) tweeted something was there?
I'm just of the opinion this is largely a non story as to who said what & when & its more about TS wanting/needing to tie up some bits before he goes public - and we dont really know what that is.
Party time wasting is too much fun
Then I step back thinking
Of life’s inner meaning
And my latest fling
It’s the same old story
All love and glory
It’s a pantomime
I tend to agree but if Garner/who ever ? only has a 25% say as part of the committee then he may get out voted especially if Steve Gallen fancied a player and the Sandgaard's agree with Steve. Nigel Adkins did sound as if 25% was about his input but he knew that from his interview from Sandgaard that was the case. (NA words on Zoom) I remember Nigel saying " a manager must have some say on transfers"
Replace Ged Roddy with Martin Sandgaard and Nigel Adkins with Ben Garner/A N other and with Gallen and Thomas Sandgaard you have the committee.
The Swindon chairman wanted to go public because he had agreed a package of compensation with Charlton and we had offered Garner the job.
But, Garner has yet to sign and is considering offers or offer from another club.
In that case it's not surprising that having negotiating the compensation payment Swindon's chairman is keen to get it over the line and we are still in the hunt for a new manager.