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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited May 2022
    sm said:
    Has anyone mentioned Claus Jensen, done a pretty good job managing a small club in Denmark for the past two years, that may be near the limits of its potential and all the obvious connections. TS must know him - and he does like being popular. 
    That’s exactly what we need! Another club legend, untried at this level. 
    Although I expect you’re whooshing here?
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,231
    edited May 2022
    JamesSeed said:
    sm said:
    Has anyone mentioned Claus Jensen, done a pretty good job managing a small club in Denmark for the past two years, that may be near the limits of its potential and all the obvious connections. TS must know him - and he does like being popular. 
    That’s exactly what we need! Another club legend, untried at this level. 
    Although I expect you’re whooshing here?
    Like Lee Bowyer and Chris Powell?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,377
    edited May 2022
    Spoke to a friend of mine who is a season ticket holder at Rangers, he said this about Warburton:

    "Good attacking football but no real plan B. If it wasn't working his plan B was do plan A better. Most fans didn't want him to leave when he did. Set out the team to be entertaining."
    Apparently Warburton leaving QPR is also to do with a breakdown in relationship between him and DoF Les Ferdinand. Warburton was told to play U23 players but he chose to play more experienced players instead.
    Neither sound like what TS wants but he may still tick more boxes than most, attacking football being one of them.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    Apparently Warburton leaving QPR is also to do with a breakdown in relationship between him and DoF Les Ferdinand. Warburton was told to play U23 players but he chose to play more experienced players instead.
    I believe that’s the main reason. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,227
    Would Jensen, or any overseas based coach (or player) get a work permit now under post-Bxxxxx visa rules? Any good coaches/players in Rwanda?
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,291
    Dave Rudd said:
    We're at the point where Sandgaard's selection of interview panel members is arguably as important as the choice of Manager.

    If he decides to go it alone, Heaven help us.  He is '0 for 2' to use US parlance.

    So, who you gonna call, Thomas?
    Grizwald jnr of course
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    edited May 2022
    Apparently Warburton leaving QPR is also to do with a breakdown in relationship between him and DoF Les Ferdinand. Warburton was told to play U23 players but he chose to play more experienced players instead.
    I believe that’s the main reason. 
    Things went stale?

    We should really stop this.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    whoever is appointed, the tenure for managers like the tenure for players nowadays is pretty short term .. we need someone who can get us out of this division, someone who is VERY familiar with the players and methods used in the lower leagues .. when we're promoted then is the time to think about appointing a manager experienced at a higher level .. in other words, horses for courses
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    Dave Rudd said:
    Apparently Warburton leaving QPR is also to do with a breakdown in relationship between him and DoF Les Ferdinand. Warburton was told to play U23 players but he chose to play more experienced players instead.
    I believe that’s the main reason. 
    Things went stale?

    We should really stop this.
    you forgot to mention mouldy (:>)
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    That stat about Wycome vs MK Dons is really odd but the style of football is chalk and cheese!

    Honestly couldn't bear to watch us play the way Wycombe did against us - negative hoofball full of diving and cheating.  It was just terrible to watch.  MK Dons are entertaining, expansive, pressing, just much much nicer to watch.

    Give me a bit of entertainment any day of the week otherwise we might as well resort to signing big fellas and playing like Cambridge did in the 80's and 90's and "hit the corner flag".
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  • Comeonyoureds
    Comeonyoureds Posts: 175
    Dave Rudd said:
    Apparently Warburton leaving QPR is also to do with a breakdown in relationship between him and DoF Les Ferdinand. Warburton was told to play U23 players but he chose to play more experienced players instead.
    I believe that’s the main reason. 
    Things went stale?

    We should really stop this.
    you forgot to mention mouldy (:>)
    At yeast he is proven
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    whoever is appointed, the tenure for managers like the tenure for players nowadays is pretty short term .. we need someone who can get us out of this division, someone who is VERY familiar with the players and methods used in the lower leagues .. when we're promoted then is the time to think about appointing a manager experienced at a higher level .. in other words, horses for courses
    Really?  How that does than pan out?

    "Yes, thank you, Mr XXX.  You've done a great job getting us out of League 1 in only a year or so.  Now, fuck off."
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,231
    Swisdom said:
    That stat about Wycome vs MK Dons is really odd but the style of football is chalk and cheese!

    Honestly couldn't bear to watch us play the way Wycombe did against us - negative hoofball full of diving and cheating.  It was just terrible to watch.  MK Dons are entertaining, expansive, pressing, just much much nicer to watch.

    Give me a bit of entertainment any day of the week otherwise we might as well resort to signing big fellas and playing like Cambridge did in the 80's and 90's and "hit the corner flag".
    It’s all about results and if that means playing ugly every week to get out of this division, then I’m all for it 
  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,114
    FYI I know I am a busy c**t. 
    How is your old man doing?
    He is good thanks mate. Still miserable!
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Scoham said:
    Which has more chance of success as you progress through the leagues?
  • SE10Addick
    SE10Addick Posts: 2,964
    get us into the Premier league beating Palace along the way and I could not give a flying f what kind of football we play.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Dave Rudd said:
    whoever is appointed, the tenure for managers like the tenure for players nowadays is pretty short term .. we need someone who can get us out of this division, someone who is VERY familiar with the players and methods used in the lower leagues .. when we're promoted then is the time to think about appointing a manager experienced at a higher level .. in other words, horses for courses
    Really?  How that does than pan out?

    "Yes, thank you, Mr XXX.  You've done a great job getting us out of League 1 in only a year or so.  Now, fuck off."
    It happens. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,019
    Scoham said:
    Every fan would prefer us to play like MK Dons than Wycombe, but it's interesting to note that despite the vast difference in those stats, MK only finished 6 points above Wycombe, scored only 3 more goals (thanks to Plymouth's capitulation on the last day), and lost the same amount of games.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    Dave Rudd said:
    Apparently Warburton leaving QPR is also to do with a breakdown in relationship between him and DoF Les Ferdinand. Warburton was told to play U23 players but he chose to play more experienced players instead.
    I believe that’s the main reason. 
    Things went stale?

    We should really stop this.
    Ferdinand decided he was toast.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,531
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Dave Rudd said:
    whoever is appointed, the tenure for managers like the tenure for players nowadays is pretty short term .. we need someone who can get us out of this division, someone who is VERY familiar with the players and methods used in the lower leagues .. when we're promoted then is the time to think about appointing a manager experienced at a higher level .. in other words, horses for courses
    Really?  How that does than pan out?

    "Yes, thank you, Mr XXX.  You've done a great job getting us out of League 1 in only a year or so.  Now, fuck off."
    It happens. 
    You forgot the Sh.. B)
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  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Spoke to a friend of mine who is a season ticket holder at Rangers, he said this about Warburton:

    "Good attacking football but no real plan B. If it wasn't working his plan B was do plan A better. Most fans didn't want him to leave when he did. Set out the team to be entertaining."
    Reminds me of this:

  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    shirty5 said:
    JamesSeed said:
    sm said:
    Has anyone mentioned Claus Jensen, done a pretty good job managing a small club in Denmark for the past two years, that may be near the limits of its potential and all the obvious connections. TS must know him - and he does like being popular. 
    That’s exactly what we need! Another club legend, untried at this level. 
    Although I expect you’re whooshing here?
    Like Lee Bowyer and Chris Powell?
    Yeah, Bowyer was a step up, but was learning the ropes and struggled at times, particularly with man management. CP did a great job. JJ was the fans choice, but struggled at times, as you’d expect. 
    All I’m saying is that we should probably chose a manager based on how good he is, not on whether he used to be a great player for Charlton.  
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,958
    JamesSeed said:
    sm said:
    Has anyone mentioned Claus Jensen, done a pretty good job managing a small club in Denmark for the past two years, that may be near the limits of its potential and all the obvious connections. TS must know him - and he does like being popular. 
    That’s exactly what we need! Another club legend, untried at this level. 
    Although I expect you’re whooshing here?
    Is our level above that of 6th in the Danish 2nd tier - after achieving promotion the previous season? 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    shirty5 said:
    JamesSeed said:
    sm said:
    Has anyone mentioned Claus Jensen, done a pretty good job managing a small club in Denmark for the past two years, that may be near the limits of its potential and all the obvious connections. TS must know him - and he does like being popular. 
    That’s exactly what we need! Another club legend, untried at this level. 
    Although I expect you’re whooshing here?
    Like Lee Bowyer and Chris Powell?
    Was Bowyer ever a 'Club Legend'
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    Swisdom said:
    That stat about Wycome vs MK Dons is really odd but the style of football is chalk and cheese!

    Honestly couldn't bear to watch us play the way Wycombe did against us - negative hoofball full of diving and cheating.  It was just terrible to watch.  MK Dons are entertaining, expansive, pressing, just much much nicer to watch.

    Give me a bit of entertainment any day of the week otherwise we might as well resort to signing big fellas and playing like Cambridge did in the 80's and 90's and "hit the corner flag".
    Cambridge were more than that.  They could play it at the back,  hit it to Dion Dublin or another,  back to the pressing midfield in the last 3rd and also wide. They had another , Steve  Claridge and also play it on the ground in that area. 

    Don't  forget,  John Beck gained two successful back to back promotions and then a 5th place in the Championship as it is now.

    Everybody mocks Beck but who here would not take 3 years of success John Beck style. 

    Dublin went to Manchester United from there and Cambridge  fell back. They sacked him in that next season .  So nothing changes there today.
    I don't think it's a case of 'hoofball' or not.

    You have to find a method that works for the players you have inherited, or who you choose to sign.  If that's 'hoofball', so be it.

    But no single approach works indefinitely.  In fact, flexibility is crucial ... often during a game.  A single approach may work well for a time, but will eventually be countered (does that sound familiar?).

    So, the top teams and the top coaches and managers exhibit flexibility, and they know when to change things around.  Yes, you can have a 'preferred' style ... but to be wedded to a single approach will only get you so far.  You will be found out sooner rather than later.

    The natural consequence of this is to recruit players who are comfortable in different roles.  Not to have a fixed way of playing and then expect players to fit into that system.
  • paulg1947
    paulg1947 Posts: 224
    ozaddick said:
    paulg1947 said:
    I dont know many managers over there but Ange Postecoglou from Melbourne Australia took on Glasgow Celtic last year, and has now been voted Scottish manager of the year.

     I have an uncanny feeling in my water that ex Palarce CB Tony Popovich now manging Melbourne Victory and has taken them on i think 13 matches undefeated (unfortuately being a City supporter) Is a bolter to watch in future, Remember the name

    A more realistic choice would have to be Powell or Curbs There seems something wrong with a London team ,run by a manager with a Northern accent .Dont worry Ange and Poppa have accents similar to Sarf London
    Ange is a brilliant manager. His style and tactical knowledge is superb. He's had success pretty much everywhere he's gone, over many many years. 

    Popovich isn't in the same class, but a decent manager at A league level. Can't see TS's net casting that wide tbh. 

    Aussies sounding like us...?! 🤣🤣 I've been here nearly 30 years, and people wonder how I still speak with a London accent after all these years, and I tell them, I don't want to sound stupid! 



    ozaddick said:
    paulg1947 said:
    I dont know many managers over there but Ange Postecoglou from Melbourne Australia took on Glasgow Celtic last year, and has now been voted Scottish manager of the year.

     I have an uncanny feeling in my water that ex Palarce CB Tony Popovich now manging Melbourne Victory and has taken them on i think 13 matches undefeated (unfortuately being a City supporter) Is a bolter to watch in future, Remember the name

    A more realistic choice would have to be Powell or Curbs There seems something wrong with a London team ,run by a manager with a Northern accent .Dont worry Ange and Poppa have accents similar to Sarf London
    Ange is a brilliant manager. His style and tactical knowledge is superb. He's had success pretty much everywhere he's gone, over many many years. 

    Popovich isn't in the same class, but a decent manager at A league level. Can't see TS's net casting that wide tbh. 

    Aussies sounding like us...?! 🤣🤣 I've been here nearly 30 years, and people wonder how I still speak with a London accent after all these years, and I tell them, I don't want to sound stupid! 



    I wont argue with my Aussie wife with that one Been here a few decades too, I think she has a bit of mine, and i av a bit of erz.Just love the round ball code, which is easy to get distracted from. here in the colonies
  • paulg1947
    paulg1947 Posts: 224
    Who ever we appoint will be a gamble because the Charlton gig has so much baggage attached to it over quite a few years with punch drunk fans and a cynical fan base that need to stop protesting and enjoy the football; Impossible at the moment I do concur.

    I can't see this happening but Curbs as mentor and a "director of football" working 30 odd hours a week with plenty of time off for golf days, with a young coach Michael Beale who at 40 really needs to stop just being an innovative coach and see if he can be head coach/ manager back where his football career started with a wise old head like Alan Lewellyn Curbishley to help with the daily issues of how to run a football club and give advise to MB on how to deal with media, owner etc which has never been Michael's remit up to now. Plus how to deal with the clowns behind you in the dug outs who know better than you despite never having set up a kids team let alone a third tier pro team.

    Beale and Curbs as the dream team ? Just not sure that Thomas Sandgaard will buy into this but what a waste of Curbs experience which would be invaluable to Beale.

    Beale won't need any advise on the various formations. The better the players the easier the job. 
    The better the players the easier the job ,could  also have been said of J J
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    Did TS say to somebody it will be two weeks, maybe waiting till after playoffs, Manning?
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Redhenry said:
    Did TS say to somebody it will be two weeks, maybe waiting till after playoffs, Manning?
    I think he was told ‘at least a week’ and concluded two weeks.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    Redhenry said:
    Did TS say to somebody it will be two weeks, maybe waiting till after playoffs, Manning?
    Manning or Warburton would be my preferred choice.