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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Potentially, but Thomas spoke a lot about how much it cost him to sack Nigel. I don’t think he wants to incur that sort of cost again.Cafc43v3r said:
I think the contract Jackson got was because Thomas didn't want him in the first place and had already written off the season. If we had just missed out on the play offs he probably thought it would be worth sticking with him.ElliotCAFC said:Another factor is will TS be giving out more these performance based contracts?Not sure Beale would be happy to leave Villa if he gets very little compensation should we not make the play-offs.It’s one thing to require the new manager to change the entire playing philosophy, which usually takes years, it’s another thing to expect immediate results.
I’d be shocked if he didn’t follow the same sort of pattern with his next appointment, albeit less harsh deliverables.1 -
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I think the contract Jackson got was because Thomas didn't want him in the first place and had already written off the season. If we had just missed out on the play offs he probably thought it would be worth sticking with him.ElliotCAFC said:Another factor is will TS be giving out more these performance based contracts?Not sure Beale would be happy to leave Villa if he gets very little compensation should we not make the play-offs.It’s one thing to require the new manager to change the entire playing philosophy, which usually takes years, it’s another thing to expect immediate results.0 -
You're right. We haven't even got to the contract wranglings yet.ElliotCAFC said:Another factor is will TS be giving out more these performance based contracts?Not sure Beale would be happy to leave Villa if he gets very little compensation should we not make the play-offs.It’s one thing to require the new manager to change the entire playing philosophy, which usually takes years, it’s another thing to expect immediate results.
I fear another summer spent miles off the pace.0 -
He’s been linked with some League One and Two clubs. Don’t really see what he’s done to be warrant a Championship job. Part of several Utd failures.cafctom said:Does anyone realistically think Michael Carrick would come to League One?
His reputation and name is surely at that level where he gets a Championship job right out the gate (similar to Rooney, Lampard etc).2 -
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When he was announced my mate said it makes him statistically the person least likely to be Watford manager, in the world at Christmas.Garrymanilow said:I do feel a bit like Watford rushed their appointment. Forest Green looked great for a lot of the season but they limped over the line at the end, only winning 4 of their last 17 games, losing 6 and drawing 7. They ended up only winning the title on goal difference (level with Matt Taylor's Exeter) and I feel like if the season had gone on a couple of weeks longer Bristol Rovers might have overtaken them. Some people are turning their noses up at Taylor signing for us as a League One manager but Watford have brought him in as a Championship manager with aims to be back in the Premier League after a year, a L2 manager with two thirds of an excellent season behind him. I hope he does well, I like him, but they've really not hung around on what is quite an ambitious appointment for him
Agree.
I might need a recount but Rob Edwards will be the 17th manager in 10 years and that doesn't include Hayden Mullins twice as caretaker.
Pozzo has had more managers than Katie Price has had lovers ? That last sentence may be incorrect.0 -
My concern is quite similar to what with seen in player recruitment the last couple of years. Doing a decent job in identifying good candidates, but failing to attract them here16
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He might want to see out the season.colthe3rd said:
Why? If we're paying his buy out clause it would be immediately.RonnieMoore said:
If it’s Beale most likey be waiting at least another 2 weeksRedRobin said:Clock is ticking, Euell and co must be putting pre season plans together, surely new manager will want to have a say.0 -
My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning.18
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why not, Rooney is a L1 manager (at the moment)cafctom said:Does anyone realistically think Michael Carrick would come to League One?
His reputation and name is surely at that level where he gets a Championship job right out the gate (similar to Rooney, Lampard etc).0 -
https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7LTKapal said:My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning.
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Unfortunately, no one has told the BBC that, and they appear to truly believe that the woman's Premier League is second only to the mens. I am amazed that people are proposing a female manager. An it’s not about sexism, it’s easy to see on the internet, that the USA World Cup winning side, play some college boys teams of under 17 age group. They have never won one of those games….JamesSeed said:
It's lower profile, isn't it? Compare the gates at The Valley and attendances at ordinary Chelsea Women's matches.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
Infrastructure I wouldn't know about, but ours isn't bad, and set to improve.
Pay? How do you know?
Her ambitions about the Women's Champions League and competing with Barcelona, are not comparable with playing in the men's the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big supporter of women's football, but I don't think it's yet reached the stage where Chelsea's women's team is a bigger deal than Charlton.Would we be happy to see an under 17 Manager of any sex, at any level, given the First Team coach role at Charlton… ?2 -
They're an entitled bunch aren't they.Scoham said:
https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7LTKapal said:My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning.8 -
Regarding any timing with Beale. When Gerrard was appointed Villa were on a 5 game losing streaks and worried about relegation. Therefore you would assume that Gerrard, and possibly his coaching team are on a bonus for securing safety, which would presumably be paid once.the season is complete.
That being the case, there's no way Beale would be leaving before the season ends on 22nd May, and possibly not leaving before the end of the month.2 -
Someone on there says “Go, and take Gerrard with you”
sounds like Stevie G isn’t the messiah after all
or Villa are just shit0 -
Mark Bowen announced as "Head of Football Operations" at reading.3
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They live in Birmingham. The only thing they are entitled to is a piss taking...ValleyGary said:
They're an entitled bunch aren't they.Scoham said:
https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7LTKapal said:My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning.0 -
sol Campbell favourite for QPR job - thst would be a nightmare come true for us and there must be a lot of Les Ferdinand influencing that if it happens!
lump on qpr to get relegated if that happens0 -
Paul Ince been named permanent Manager there tooButtleJR said:Mark Bowen announced as "Head of Football Operations" at reading.2 -
Check out Ron Swanson getting all above his station -
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ValleyGary said:
They're an entitled bunch aren't they.Scoham said:
https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7LTKapal said:My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning.
Replacement for Gilbey??12 -
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i have to say if was to be Beale the big delay would make sense, i find it hard to believe TE didn’t have someone lined up ready to come right in , so it kinda make sense if Villa have said he can’t leave until the end of the season14
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I’d rather Warburton or Beale to Taylor. But I’m not entirely sure why.1
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It’s not such a big delay really - it’s only been 2 weeks and at the end of the season.CH4RLTON said:i have to say if was to be Beale the big delay would make sense, i find it hard to believe TE didn’t have someone lined up ready to come right in , so it kinda make sense if Villa have said he can’t leave until the end of the season0 -
Caught up over the last 6 pages just now, and that has surely got to be a record of Curbs not even getting mentioned once in that time as a serious option. Only took 15 years1
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Every club in the manager market who gives their job to someone who we would not want us to be after in a million years is good news!ForeverAddickted said:
Paul Ince been named permanent Manager there tooButtleJR said:Mark Bowen announced as "Head of Football Operations" at reading.0 -
If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club.
Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.
The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.1 -
Promotion from within is great when the club isn't broken. It is.MuttleyCAFC said:If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club.
Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.
The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.
Rember neither Bowyer nor Curbs were some brilliant piece of tactical planning. They were cheap/easy because the club couldn't afford in the latter, or be bothered in the former to get anyone else.2 -
Exactly. By luck we hit on the formula. The proven managers are not in the pond we are fishing in.Cafc43v3r said:
Promotion from within is great when the club isn't broken. It is.MuttleyCAFC said:If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club.
Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.
The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.
Rember neither Bowyer nor Curbs were some brilliant piece of tactical planning. They were cheap/easy because the club couldn't afford in the latter, or be bothered in the former to get anyone else.0 -
Don't see why, they're not going anywhere and surely he'd want as much time as possible in the new role to maximize the time before pre season.ShootersHillGuru said:
He might want to see out the season.colthe3rd said:
Why? If we're paying his buy out clause it would be immediately.RonnieMoore said:
If it’s Beale most likey be waiting at least another 2 weeksRedRobin said:Clock is ticking, Euell and co must be putting pre season plans together, surely new manager will want to have a say.0 -
Was you enjoying the management style of JJ? And did you see a repeat of what happened after sticking with Powell? Also wouldn’t Euell being next manager just feel like a continuation of the last two. Personally although it may not work, which is something none of us know, I think someone completely fresh is a good move, if risky. Feels like we are stuck in a rut of hoping we get another club legend being a success. I think the right decision has been made, but the next decision is far more important.MuttleyCAFC said:If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club.
Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.
The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.0
