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  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Another factor is will TS be giving out more these performance based contracts? 

    Not sure Beale would be happy to leave Villa if he gets very little compensation should we not make the play-offs. 

    It’s one thing to require the new manager to change the entire playing philosophy, which usually takes years, it’s another thing to expect immediate results.   
    I think the contract Jackson got was because Thomas didn't want him in the first place and had already written off the season.  If we had just missed out on the play offs he probably thought it would be worth sticking with him.
    Potentially, but Thomas spoke a lot about how much it cost him to sack Nigel. I don’t think he wants to incur that sort of cost again.

    I’d be shocked if he didn’t follow the same sort of pattern with his next appointment, albeit less harsh deliverables. 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Another factor is will TS be giving out more these performance based contracts? 

    Not sure Beale would be happy to leave Villa if he gets very little compensation should we not make the play-offs. 

    It’s one thing to require the new manager to change the entire playing philosophy, which usually takes years, it’s another thing to expect immediate results.   
    I think the contract Jackson got was because Thomas didn't want him in the first place and had already written off the season.  If we had just missed out on the play offs he probably thought it would be worth sticking with him.
    100%
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Another factor is will TS be giving out more these performance based contracts? 

    Not sure Beale would be happy to leave Villa if he gets very little compensation should we not make the play-offs. 

    It’s one thing to require the new manager to change the entire playing philosophy, which usually takes years, it’s another thing to expect immediate results.   
    You're right. We haven't even got to the contract wranglings yet.
     I fear another summer spent miles off the pace.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    cafctom said:
    Does anyone realistically think Michael Carrick would come to League One?

    His reputation and name is surely at that level where he gets a Championship job right out the gate (similar to Rooney, Lampard etc). 
    He’s been linked with some League One and Two clubs. Don’t really see what he’s done to be warrant a Championship job. Part of several Utd failures. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I do feel a bit like Watford rushed their appointment. Forest Green looked great for a lot of the season but they limped over the line at the end, only winning 4 of their last 17 games, losing 6 and drawing 7. They ended up only winning the title on goal difference (level with Matt Taylor's Exeter) and I feel like if the season had gone on a couple of weeks longer Bristol Rovers might have overtaken them. Some people are turning their noses up at Taylor signing for us as a League One manager but Watford have brought him in as a Championship manager with aims to be back in the Premier League after a year, a L2 manager with two thirds of an excellent season behind him. I hope he does well, I like him, but they've really not hung around on what is quite an ambitious appointment for him
    When he was announced my mate said it makes him statistically the person least likely to be Watford manager, in the world at Christmas.

    Agree.
    I might need a recount but Rob Edwards will be the 17th manager in 10 years and that doesn't include Hayden Mullins twice as caretaker.
    Pozzo has had more managers than Katie Price has had lovers ? That last sentence may be incorrect.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,824
    My concern is quite similar to what with seen in player recruitment the last couple of years. Doing a decent job in identifying good candidates, but failing to attract them here
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    colthe3rd said:
    RedRobin said:
    Clock is ticking, Euell and co must be putting pre season plans together, surely new manager will want to have a say. 
    If it’s Beale most likey be waiting at least another 2 weeks 
    Why? If we're paying his buy out clause it would be immediately.
    He might want to see out the season. 
  • LTKapal
    LTKapal Posts: 1,312
    My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning. 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,810
    cafctom said:
    Does anyone realistically think Michael Carrick would come to League One?

    His reputation and name is surely at that level where he gets a Championship job right out the gate (similar to Rooney, Lampard etc). 
    why not, Rooney is a L1 manager (at the moment)
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,375
    LTKapal said:
    My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning. 
    https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7
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  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,601
    JamesSeed said:
    Rothko said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Rothko said:
    Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours 
    People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true. 
    How do you define bigger then?
    Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona. 
    It's lower profile, isn't it? Compare the gates at The Valley and attendances at ordinary Chelsea Women's matches.

    Infrastructure I wouldn't know about, but ours isn't bad, and set to improve.

    Pay? How do you know?

    Her ambitions about the Women's Champions League and competing with Barcelona, are not comparable with playing in the men's the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a big supporter of women's football, but I don't think it's yet reached the stage where Chelsea's women's team is a bigger deal than Charlton.
    Unfortunately, no one has told the BBC that, and they appear to truly believe that the woman's Premier League is second only to the mens.  I am amazed that people are proposing a female manager. An it’s not about sexism, it’s easy to see on the internet, that the USA World Cup winning side, play some college boys teams of under 17 age group. They have never won one of those games…. 

    Would we be happy to see an under 17 Manager of any sex,  at any level, given the First Team coach role at Charlton… ? 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Scoham said:
    LTKapal said:
    My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning. 
    https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7
    They're an entitled bunch aren't they.
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Regarding any timing with Beale. When Gerrard was appointed Villa were on a 5 game losing streaks and worried about relegation. Therefore you would assume that Gerrard, and possibly his coaching team are on a bonus for securing safety, which would presumably be paid once.the season is complete.

    That being the case, there's no way Beale would be leaving before the season ends on 22nd May, and possibly not leaving before the end of the month.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Someone on there says “Go, and take Gerrard with you”

    sounds like Stevie G isn’t the messiah after all

    or Villa are just shit
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,586
    Mark Bowen announced as "Head of Football Operations" at reading. 
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    Scoham said:
    LTKapal said:
    My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning. 
    https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7
    They're an entitled bunch aren't they.
    They live in Birmingham. The only thing they are entitled to is a piss taking...
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    sol Campbell favourite for QPR job - thst would be a nightmare come true for us and there must be a lot of Les Ferdinand influencing that if it happens!

    lump on qpr to get relegated if that happens
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    ButtleJR said:
    Mark Bowen announced as "Head of Football Operations" at reading. 
    Paul Ince been named permanent Manager there too
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Check out Ron Swanson getting all above his station -


  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    edited May 2022
    Scoham said:
    LTKapal said:
    My villa supporting mate who goes on villa life or whatever their equivalent is that there's a few rumblings of beale maybe leaving, probably just reaction to the Cawley stuff but thought it was worth mentioning. 
    https://www.villatalk.com/topic/22448-michael-beale/page/7
    They're an entitled bunch aren't they.

    Replacement for Gilbey??
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  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    i have to say if was to be Beale the big delay would make sense, i find it hard to believe TE didn’t have someone lined up ready to come right in , so it kinda make sense if Villa have said he can’t leave until the end of the season
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,930
    I’d rather Warburton or Beale to Taylor. But I’m not entirely sure why. 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    CH4RLTON said:
    i have to say if was to be Beale the big delay would make sense, i find it hard to believe TE didn’t have someone lined up ready to come right in , so it kinda make sense if Villa have said he can’t leave until the end of the season
    It’s not such a big delay really - it’s only been 2 weeks and at the end of the season. 
  • hudson-son-son
    hudson-son-son Posts: 2,645
    Caught up over the last 6 pages just now, and that has surely got to be a record of Curbs not even getting mentioned once in that time as a serious option. Only took 15 years
  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    ButtleJR said:
    Mark Bowen announced as "Head of Football Operations" at reading. 
    Paul Ince been named permanent Manager there too
    Every club in the manager market who gives their job to someone who we would not want us to be after in a million years is good news!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited May 2022
    If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club. 

    Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.

    The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club. 

    Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.

    The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.
    Promotion from within is great when the club isn't broken.  It is. 

    Rember neither Bowyer nor Curbs were some brilliant piece of tactical planning.  They were cheap/easy because the club couldn't afford in the latter, or be bothered in the former to get anyone else. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Cafc43v3r said:
    If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club. 

    Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.

    The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.
    Promotion from within is great when the club isn't broken.  It is. 

    Rember neither Bowyer nor Curbs were some brilliant piece of tactical planning.  They were cheap/easy because the club couldn't afford in the latter, or be bothered in the former to get anyone else. 
    Exactly. By luck we hit on the formula. The proven managers are not in the pond we are fishing in.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    colthe3rd said:
    RedRobin said:
    Clock is ticking, Euell and co must be putting pre season plans together, surely new manager will want to have a say. 
    If it’s Beale most likey be waiting at least another 2 weeks 
    Why? If we're paying his buy out clause it would be immediately.
    He might want to see out the season. 
    Don't see why, they're not going anywhere and surely he'd want as much time as possible in the new role to maximize the time before pre season.
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    If I owned the club, the first place I would look for a manager would be within the club. Obviously I would look for certain qualities and a level of intelligence but then appoint somebody on a contract much like Jackos where if they are not a success, I can try another. I think it is the way to find a Curbs and a Bowyer and indeed a Powell, even though he wasn't at the club. 

    Where I think TS has gone wrong is by jumping the gun. Jacko hadn't succeeded but I think it is fair to say he hadn't failed either. Or maybe Powell should have been sacked before our title winning season? Surely TS could have given Jacko the option of a new contract with a new get out clause rather than firing him.

    The fact is, he could well appoint a manager who will be a success, but it could well also be he doesn't. And if that is the case, it could be expensive and difficult to make a timely change. It is why I think Euell should be our next manager.
    Was you enjoying the management style of JJ? And did you see a repeat of what happened after sticking with Powell? Also wouldn’t Euell being next manager just feel like a continuation of the last two. Personally although it may not work, which is something none of us know, I think someone completely fresh is a good move, if risky. Feels like we are stuck in a rut of hoping we get another club legend being a success. I think the right decision has been made, but the next decision is far more important.