He's a darn good player, and has lost a year of development in his game during the injury, I'll give him time to continue getting better.
Before he got clobbered at Welling I think he was one decent season away from getting a good move from us. That injury has set him back, by how long I do not know, perhaps he'll not get back to the player he was.
The club allegedly turned down an 1.1 million and a 1 million bid during the January window from championship clubs. People were giving Golfie grief for saying his transfer value was only 400k but Golfies valuation seems to be a lot closer to what the market views him than the 10 million highest transfer fee out of league one that others were throwing out there for a striker who has been a 1 in 6 striker since his injury
Tend not to believe that, especially if the previously quoted £3m is correct. £1.1m is frankly insulting for a young player with his potential. That’s less than we got for Burstow.
I don’t think we would be anywhere near being able to improve our team above and beyond what Miles offers us with that kind of money.
He has height, he has technical ability, he has a bit of pace and he has an eye for goal. He lacks aggression, and if he develops that he will go to a whole new level.
That aggression could come within 12-18 months as he fully grows into that huge frame of his.
His ceiling remains high but I understand the frustration that he has not pushed on as quickly as fans would have expected. The concern is clearly that he simply doesn't have that aggressive streak in him.
Tend not to believe that, especially if the previously quoted £3m is correct. £1.1m is frankly insulting for a young player with his potential. That’s less than we got for Burstow.
I don’t think we would be anywhere near being able to improve our team above and beyond what Miles offers us with that kind of money.
The club allegedly turned down an 1.1 million and a 1 million bid during the January window from championship clubs. People were giving Golfie grief for saying his transfer value was only 400k but Golfies valuation seems to be a lot closer to what the market views him than the 10 million highest transfer fee out of league one that others were throwing out there for a striker who has been a 1 in 6 striker since his injury
I presume that bidder didn't actually have an interest in signing Miles then. Not a chance 1 or 1.1 million was ever going to be accepted.
Golfie valuation and the January bidder you mention are no where near Leaburns real value
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
500k was enough to buy Alfie May. He didn't turn out too bad
I don't think he's the player he was though. Maybe he's bulked up a bit to be a more effective target man, and maybe the injuries have had a lasting impact, but he doesn't have the zip he had when he first established himself in 22/23.
It was that combination of his height and pace which made him such a massive prospect.
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
Not trying to derail this thread, but any offer for Conor Coventry of £500k, I would term "derisory"...
I think when figures like £5 million were being mooted a year or so ago, it was all about potential given the rapid trajectory he was on. He's actually gone backwards due to the injury and he may start progressing again next year - who knows but i'd be amazed if anybody paid more than £1m this summer given his displays this season and scouts will have been monitoring him closely. That isn't criticism of him, that's just my view on a discussion board and if we can't give honest views on here in case we upset a player then what's the point? He can't hold down a starting spot in league 1 atm so all this top end championship / premier league stuff is very much based on potential but the graph isn't going in the right direction atm. Hopefully next year it will all come together for him.
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
500k was enough to buy Alfie May. He didn't turn out too bad
I think Birmingham paid a bit more than that. But when it comes to valuations age plays a huge role. According to “The Price of Football”, FAPL clubs now generally assume a player’s peak value comes at age 27.
I think when figures like £5 million were being mooted a year or so ago, it was all about potential given the rapid trajectory he was on. He's actually gone backwards due to the injury and he may start progressing again next year - who knows but i'd be amazed if anybody paid more than £1m this summer given his displays this season and scouts will have been monitoring him closely. That isn't criticism of him, that's just my view on a discussion board and if we can't give honest views on here in case we upset a player then what's the point? He can't hold down a starting spot in league 1 atm so all this top end championship / premier league stuff is very much based on potential but the graph isn't going in the right direction atm. Hopefully next year it will all come together for him.
Seen this kind of thing on LinkedIn and I think it applies to footballers too. TC has shown that, this time last year Kanu was being picked ahead of him and Leaburn was pre-injury.
I think when figures like £5 million were being mooted a year or so ago, it was all about potential given the rapid trajectory he was on. He's actually gone backwards due to the injury and he may start progressing again next year - who knows but i'd be amazed if anybody paid more than £1m this summer given his displays this season and scouts will have been monitoring him closely. That isn't criticism of him, that's just my view on a discussion board and if we can't give honest views on here in case we upset a player then what's the point? He can't hold down a starting spot in league 1 atm so all this top end championship / premier league stuff is very much based on potential but the graph isn't going in the right direction atm. Hopefully next year it will all come together for him.
Plus he's only got 1 year left on his contract now.
I imagine Campbell and Ramsay will be worth more than Miles now, both down to current form and because they are under longer contracts.
Based on potential, Zach Mitchell could be worth more than anyone else, but that's only potential at the moment.
I think when figures like £5 million were being mooted a year or so ago, it was all about potential given the rapid trajectory he was on. He's actually gone backwards due to the injury and he may start progressing again next year - who knows but i'd be amazed if anybody paid more than £1m this summer given his displays this season and scouts will have been monitoring him closely. That isn't criticism of him, that's just my view on a discussion board and if we can't give honest views on here in case we upset a player then what's the point? He can't hold down a starting spot in league 1 atm so all this top end championship / premier league stuff is very much based on potential but the graph isn't going in the right direction atm. Hopefully next year it will all come together for him.
Seen this kind of thing on LinkedIn and I think it applies to footballers too. TC has shown that, this time last year Kanu was being picked ahead of him and Leaburn was pre-injury.
yes, but nobody was gonna pay a bean for TC last summer, so to get £1m for Leaburn this summer would seem at the upper limit of his current value - any more is a big gamble given his injury and form since
Some decisions will need to be made in the summer both by Miles and the club i should think - a one year extension would probably be wise for both parties but Jones will have a much better view on where the graph is likely to go next.
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
500k was enough to buy Alfie May. He didn't turn out too bad
I think Birmingham paid a bit more than that. But when it comes to valuations age plays a huge role. According to “The Price of Football”, FAPL clubs now generally assume a player’s peak value comes at age 27.
Well whatever price we pay for a striker we will definitely need to sign a couple coming the summer. Aneke will probably retire Hylton will probably retire Leaburn will probably be sold Ahadme will probably get a loan.
I just hope we can bring in a couple of decent strikers for whatever league we are in.
The ideal situation is that Miles stays on his barren run, we go up anyway, no-one wants him and he signs a new contract for the Championship and suddenly gets good again with it. It's not the worst thing for him to have clubs higher up the pyramid questioning his development as he enters the final year of his contract
There are 3 different sums for Myles depending on when you are talking about. IMHO. Pre injury…..quite possibly £4,000,000. Start of this season £2.5 to £3 mil. And on his form since Christmas, I’d say £2. mil max.
There are 3 different sums for Myles depending on when you are talking about. IMHO. Pre injury…..quite possibly £4,000,000. Start of this season £2.5 to £3 mil. And on his form since Christmas, I’d say £2. mil max.
I’d say 2 Mil since Christmas is extremely optimistic.
The ideal situation is that Miles stays on his barren run, we go up anyway, no-one wants him and he signs a new contract for the Championship and suddenly gets good again with it. It's not the worst thing for him to have clubs higher up the pyramid questioning his development as he enters the final year of his contract
Amen to this, loud and clear!
And suddenly, not impossible to imagine, except that I suspect he will in fact hit form in the final run in.
Incidentally…..I feel really sad to be speculating on Myles this way……not only because he’s such a nice individual but because of his lovely mum and dad and their pride in their lad. I just hope he picks his game up and shows some good form again soon.🤞🤞🤞
agree with comments above, he needs to develop an aggressive/nasty streak.
he was totally bullied by Stockport and spent most of the game complaining to the ref, instead of that - give it back x10, he's big and strong enough but doesn't 'put himself about' anywhere near enough yet
I'm hoping that comes, he needs a Danny Hylton 'dark arts' course
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
500k was enough to buy Alfie May. He didn't turn out too bad
I think Birmingham paid a bit more than that. But when it comes to valuations age plays a huge role. According to “The Price of Football”, FAPL clubs now generally assume a player’s peak value comes at age 27.
Well whatever price we pay for a striker we will definitely need to sign a couple coming the summer. Aneke will probably retire Hylton will probably retire Leaburn will probably be sold Ahadme will probably get a loan.
I just hope we can bring in a couple of decent strikers for whatever league we are in.
This is a key point. I wouldn't even be that confident TC would stay either. Will need to be some serious investment in a couple of strikers regardless of the Leaburn situation.
If someone offered 3 million in the summer I'd take it. But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend. 500k gets you a decent player for league one. So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild. Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Depends on position. 500k might get you a good young midfielder, such as Connor Coventry.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
500k was enough to buy Alfie May. He didn't turn out too bad
250,000 for May plus extra 100,000 for bring leading goalscorer
Can we please park the Abacus? The lad has a job to do. I really don’t get the frustration.
Just where in the statistical learning curve do age, injury, playing system, experience, classification, supporting cast, etc. factor? Who is setting the benchmark here? In the stop start game reset world of US sport from where most data programmes derive they add value but here they offer far less.
Indeed US professional sports are structured around a US Collegiate program where NFL, NBA etc., franchises recruit at a different level of physical and mental maturity.
I am uncomfortable with a level of scrutiny largely manufactured by this SMT and its predecessor. Who creates an expectation to demand two 21yr olds and a 20yr old are instrumental to an EFL League 1 promotion campaign?
Where was last years hero at the age of 21? Chatham, Bromley, Erith & Belvedere, VCD, Farnborough, Hythe? What career path would you have been projecting for him?
When, at a senior level, a club has floundered for so long It’s natural to focus on any positive but not to the point you abuse it. Our Academy is a huge positive and key to “the brand” but it cannot assume a profile greater than the business it is meant to serve.
Yet, in the teeth of a play off ambition, with just 2 January loan recruits many demand to see Dixon, Enslin etc at a Senior Level. Some even harangue the club for ever more exposure at Under 21 & U18 levels. Leave them alone, they will face enough exposure at a senior level. It may be your entertainment but it is their careers.
A properly positioned Academy pipeline is fine until you stick it front & centre of your business plan to create a wholly different set of pressures, exposures and a completely unhealthy distortion of expectation.
In Bowyers promotion squad were any of Djikstel, Grant, Aribo, Lapslie (or Phillips) declared as the pathway to glory? No they came in and kept the shirt. Nobody ring fenced 8 slots for their exposure & development and put them front and centre.
Yet “Methven the Mouth” needed a storyline. The “plan” had to offer “jam” albeit tomorrow.
Leaburn is delivering to precisely the standard I’d expect of a talented 21yr old player; - having been out for a year* - working with medical/ fitness experts to protect his career - developing his game to grow into and better use his physical attributes - adjusting to a different team and a hugely demanding playing system
Notably so when reliant on a number of equally inexperienced colleagues also learning the job
*Levels 5-9 of the pyramid are full of talents who never recovered/ progressed careers
Tuesday was his “match day hour” 13 in 36 League games - 7 Won, 3 Drawn, 3 Lost are the statistics that matter. In any normal terms he is delivering to his contract. I see nothing to suggest he is not committing to contribute to the best of his ability.
Overall Wigan will be game 9 in 5 weeks. It is physical & mental graft. The League progress has heightened the intensity and will test energy reserves. All is new to Leaburn, Campbell, Small, Anderson & Kanu. Fatigue comes with the territory. Reflexes slow & concentration wavers. With the pace & flexibility needed even in League 1 it shows.
Personally, I think Miles Leaburn is a much better player and a bigger prospect than most people give him credit for. I can’t think of another footballer with his combination of size, speed, and technical ability - someone who can outpace a defender, make them look silly with the ball at his feet, and still score a wide variety of goals.
For comparison, take Kion Etete. He’s two years older, has played 12 more games, yet has scored 13 less goals. Cardiff just signed him to a new contract, in the league above, because they believe they've got a player on their hands.
Leaburn is only 21, coming back from a major injury, and he’s still managed to score 10 goals in 31 games this season. Yes, there are areas of his game that need improvement, but we’re incredibly lucky to have him. If you genuinely think Jayden Stockley would be a better fit for this team or that Leaburn isn’t worth even £2 million, then I don't know what to tell you.
There is a way to play against Leaburn at the moment and that is to absolutely bully/foul him. It helps when the ref allows you to as with the Stockport game. This is part of the learning process which will make him a better player. The moment will come IMO, when it all clicks into place and he will become unplayable at this level certainly and probably the level above. When that moment does come, and that could still be this season, we have no chance of holding onto him. In the meantime he is best playing and learning with us.
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Before he got clobbered at Welling I think he was one decent season away from getting a good move from us. That injury has set him back, by how long I do not know, perhaps he'll not get back to the player he was.
That aggression could come within 12-18 months as he fully grows into that huge frame of his.
His ceiling remains high but I understand the frustration that he has not pushed on as quickly as fans would have expected. The concern is clearly that he simply doesn't have that aggressive streak in him.
But only if the 3 million is given to Jones to spend.
500k gets you a decent player for league one.
So 3 million would be enough for a decent rebuild.
Obviously if we get promoted then that's a different matter.
Striker? Gets you a good young striker such as...er...Gassan Ahadme
He didn't turn out too bad
It was that combination of his height and pace which made him such a massive prospect.
I imagine Campbell and Ramsay will be worth more than Miles now, both down to current form and because they are under longer contracts.
Based on potential, Zach Mitchell could be worth more than anyone else, but that's only potential at the moment.
Aneke will probably retire
Hylton will probably retire
Leaburn will probably be sold
Ahadme will probably get a loan.
I just hope we can bring in a couple of decent strikers for whatever league we are in.
Pre injury…..quite possibly £4,000,000.
Start of this season £2.5 to £3 mil.
And on his form since Christmas, I’d say £2. mil max.
And suddenly, not impossible to imagine, except that I suspect he will in fact hit form in the final run in.
I just hope he picks his game up and shows some good form again soon.🤞🤞🤞
he was totally bullied by Stockport and spent most of the game complaining to the ref, instead of that - give it back x10, he's big and strong enough but doesn't 'put himself about' anywhere near enough yet
I'm hoping that comes, he needs a Danny Hylton 'dark arts' course
This is a key point. I wouldn't even be that confident TC would stay either. Will need to be some serious investment in a couple of strikers regardless of the Leaburn situation.
Just where in the statistical learning curve do age, injury, playing system, experience, classification, supporting cast, etc. factor? Who is setting the benchmark here? In the stop start game reset world of US sport from where most data programmes derive they add value but here they offer far less.
Indeed US professional sports are structured around a US Collegiate program where NFL, NBA etc., franchises recruit at a different level of physical and mental maturity.
I am uncomfortable with a level of scrutiny largely manufactured by this SMT and its predecessor. Who creates an expectation to demand two 21yr olds and a 20yr old are instrumental to an EFL League 1 promotion campaign?
Where was last years hero at the age of 21? Chatham, Bromley, Erith & Belvedere, VCD, Farnborough, Hythe? What career path would you have been projecting for him?
When, at a senior level, a club has floundered for so long It’s natural to focus on any positive but not to the point you abuse it. Our Academy is a huge positive and key to “the brand” but it cannot assume a profile greater than the business it is meant to serve.
Yet, in the teeth of a play off ambition, with just 2 January loan recruits many demand to see Dixon, Enslin etc at a Senior Level. Some even harangue the club for ever more exposure at Under 21 & U18 levels. Leave them alone, they will face enough exposure at a senior level. It may be your entertainment but it is their careers.
A properly positioned Academy pipeline is fine until you stick it front & centre of your business plan to create a wholly different set of pressures, exposures and a completely unhealthy distortion of expectation.
In Bowyers promotion squad were any of Djikstel, Grant, Aribo, Lapslie (or Phillips) declared as the pathway to glory? No they came in and kept the shirt. Nobody ring fenced 8 slots for their exposure & development and put them front and centre.
Yet “Methven the Mouth” needed a storyline. The “plan” had to offer “jam” albeit tomorrow.
- having been out for a year*
- working with medical/ fitness experts to protect his career
- developing his game to grow into and better use his physical attributes
- adjusting to a different team and a hugely demanding playing system
Notably so when reliant on a number of equally inexperienced colleagues also learning the job
*Levels 5-9 of the pyramid are full of talents who never recovered/ progressed careers
Tuesday was his “match day hour” 13 in 36 League games - 7 Won, 3 Drawn, 3 Lost are the statistics that matter. In any normal terms he is delivering to his contract. I see nothing to suggest he is not committing to contribute to the best of his ability.
Overall Wigan will be game 9 in 5 weeks. It is physical & mental graft. The League progress has heightened the intensity and will test energy reserves. All is new to Leaburn, Campbell, Small, Anderson & Kanu. Fatigue comes with the territory. Reflexes slow & concentration wavers. With the pace & flexibility needed even in League 1 it shows.
Who knew?
Personally, I think Miles Leaburn is a much better player and a bigger prospect than most people give him credit for. I can’t think of another footballer with his combination of size, speed, and technical ability - someone who can outpace a defender, make them look silly with the ball at his feet, and still score a wide variety of goals.
For comparison, take Kion Etete. He’s two years older, has played 12 more games, yet has scored 13 less goals. Cardiff just signed him to a new contract, in the league above, because they believe they've got a player on their hands.
Leaburn is only 21, coming back from a major injury, and he’s still managed to score 10 goals in 31 games this season. Yes, there are areas of his game that need improvement, but we’re incredibly lucky to have him. If you genuinely think Jayden Stockley would be a better fit for this team or that Leaburn isn’t worth even £2 million, then I don't know what to tell you.