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Dean Holden - Jan 2025: joined the coaching staff at Adana Demispor in Turkey (p47)
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Another job thrown up by an agent to put pressure on us to give Holden another contract. It's so transparent at this point and people still lap it up.
Honestly from the past couple of games I've seen, I'm not super impressed after the usual new manager bounce.1 -
When will Talksport link Holden with the Wycombe vacancy?Scoham said:That didn’t last long.
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So ANOTHER new Manager in the summer then?SELR_addicks said:Another job thrown up by an agent to put pressure on us to give Holden another contract. It's so transparent at this point and people still lap it up.
Honestly from the past couple of games I've seen, I'm not super impressed after the usual new manager bounce.
I mean many werent impressed with Jackson either for the second half of the season, and weren't overly sad at him being replaced... Plus I know you liked Garner so havent been opposed to all those who have been hired for the hotseat, its not a direct dig at you either, as have read a handful of similar views since Saturdays result
But this madness of going into the Summer of needing a new Manager, as well as a squad... It has to end - How the hell are we ever going to be a stable Football Club again when the most important figure at the club gets replaced on such a regular basis.
This is the first question, anyone needs to be asking themselves when they think its questionable over not giving Holden a new Contract, whether they like his style or not. Because we cant expect to start looking upwards until that stability is in place.17 -
Curbs?SouthWest_Addicks said:How many managers in are history have voluntarily resigned and not had another position lined up immediately afterwards, I.e Karl Robinson & Bowyer etc.
Cannot think of any tbh.0 -
I think Holden’s agent is working overtime4
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Indeed. He's now been linked with the Scottish National Party job.The Red Robin said:I think Holden’s agent is working overtime21 -
I don’t know what to think about Holden any more.I do know that Hayes did ok. At least he had a plan when we beat Brighton.0
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I have been convinced for years that Gareth Ainsworth would move on to QPR next and was surprised he didn't move on before.
Ainsworth has over achieved at Wycombe and deserves another chance in the Championship.
I assume he has turned down jobs before as he was happy at Wycombe.
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Ainsworth football is awful to watch. Pity any clubs fans that take him on11
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Yes, and he wouldn’t fit QPR’s style of play at all.AFKABartram said:Ainsworth football is awful to watch. Pity any clubs fans that take him on0 -
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Yeah. All gone a bit meh on Holden hasn't it.JamesSeed said:I don’t know what to think about Holden any more.I do know that Hayes did ok. At least he had a plan when we beat Brighton.
Not his fault he's had the rug pulled from under him. But if he'd done his homework on this basket case club over the past decade he'd probably know things turn to shit very quickly.
Until the whole fabric of the club changes no manager will make a dent.4 -
Ainsworth gets the best out of the players at his disposal.
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Yes, as much as Lee Bowyer got the best out of Jonny Williams 😉soapboxsam said:Ainsworth gets the best out of the players at his disposal.0 -
I’ll counter that with Stockport away in the cup. A truely shambolic performance.JamesSeed said:I don’t know what to think about Holden any more.I do know that Hayes did ok. At least he had a plan when we beat Brighton.21 -
The classic yo-yo that so many clubs do between managers playing "pure" passing football, and managers who grind out results.JamesSeed said:
Yes, and he wouldn’t fit QPR’s style of play at all.AFKABartram said:Ainsworth football is awful to watch. Pity any clubs fans that take him on
The other yo-yo is between the young exciting manager (big name newly retired PL player or the highly rated foreign manager) and the safe pair of hands "been there, done it" managers of the Warnock, Big Sam ilk, but also now including experienced foreign managers like Bilic and Benitez.0 -
You get the feeling it’s Johnnie Jackson all over, people putting pressure on sandgaard to give him a contract but ultimately after the new manager bounce wears off.. he is found wanting. Should just wait until the end of the season cause either way I very much doubt Holden will have a queue of clubs wanting him4
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If we want to progress then we have to keep hold of personnel that will improve the club. I see Holden as one of these people.10
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Although the bounce may have exaggerated his real abilities, Holden seems like the best we've had since Bowyer, and I doubt we could get anyone better to replace him.
Therefore we must do what's necessary to keep him. C'mon Sandgaard, this football lark is easy, isn't it?
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They can have HIM and Bonne for two million.guinnessaddick said:6 -
Now the season is over it will be very interesting to see our remaining results and performances.jimmymelrose said:Although the bounce may have exaggerated his real abilities, Holden seems like the best we've had since Bowyer, and I doubt we could get anyone better to replace him.
Therefore we must do what's necessary to keep him. C'mon Sandgaard, this football lark is easy, isn't it?
Holden will not start next season with us.0 -
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+1 vote for sticking with Holden. He has got them doing what I'd hope, beating most of the bad clubs we play. We aren't going to beat Bolton and Derby with the squad at his disposal, we just make too many basic mistakes. The way you get a team to perform above itself is with some stability, building partnerships. Would rather watch Holden football while we're doing that than Garnerball.
Give him a contract, build a proper team in the summer (it's year all over again)... it's the only way we make progress in this poxy league.7 -
I’m somewhere in the middle with Holden. He’s done well but was always going to be limited in what he can achieve due to this squad. I don’t blame him for not turning us into a top 6 side, we know we don’t have the players for that.
On his tactics JRS and CBT have to start as our main threats.Even if we tried them in a 4-4-2 we don’t have enough strikers to consistently play a front two.
Therefore we play 4-3-3 knowing only Leaburn can really play as a lone striker and even he’s still developing.Holden replacing Garner felt similar to Luzon coming in for Peeters. We went from playing too slowly and taking too many touches to playing faster and a bit more direct. It needed to be done to keep us in this league but it doesn’t tell us how he’d do with his own squad. What would a Holden squad look like and would the style become more direct? We don’t even know if he’d stick with 4-3-3, switch to 3-5-2 or something else.
On balance I’d stick with him because we can’t keep changing managers. As always what happens next season will mainly be down to our recruitment. Without that no manager has a chance. We’ve signed too many who aren’t good enough and not enough top end L1 players.14 -
I’ve not been as wowed as most others so far, but I think it would be depressing if he left now. Not disastrous as we are not going down, but just for morale purposes it would emphasise just how unsecure our club currently is5
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I like Dean, would love him to stay at a more stable CAFC!1
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wouldn’t blame him one bit if he took a gig elsewhere though. This wasn’t the ownership / manager team he was brought in by and expecting to work with.8
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Lets not forget it took both Powell and Bowyer around a year and a half to win promotion in their respective tenures - Hence why we need to be a little patient with whoever takes charge - Results were of course awful at the beginning under Powell, whilst some of Bowyer's early wins (Blackburn springs to mind) werent exactly nice on the eye.
Ironically both Holden and Garner have the same amount of wins this season
Five wins in 10-games for the former, 5-wins in 21-games for the latter.
I think the Bolton | Derby results are ridiculous pedestals to use when saying Holden's honeymoon period is over, especially as many have also felt that the squad differences between us and those two teams are vast enough in the first place.12 -
16 points from 10 games for Holden
24 points from 20 games the much sought after Garner
he’s gotten more of a tune out of them but come the end of the season how much different will it be .
he’ll do well to keep them ticking over at 1.6 pg
we have shit footballers I’m not bothered about any of them
another wanky transfer window to look forward to and hype up pony players or maybe things change and we can have genuine players arrive who will give us hope rather than 3rd choice ipswich guff
who knows how good any of these recent managers are wIth the shower of shit squads foisted on them16 -
Scoham said:I’m somewhere in the middle with Holden. He’s done well but was always going to be limited in what he can achieve due to this squad. I don’t blame him for not turning us into a top 6 side, we know we don’t have the players for that.
On his tactics JRS and CBT have to start as our main threats.Even if we tried them in a 4-4-2 we don’t have enough strikers to consistently play a front two.
Therefore we play 4-3-3 knowing only Leaburn can really play as a lone striker and even he’s still developing.Holden replacing Garner felt similar to Luzon coming in for Peeters. We went from playing too slowly and taking too many touches to playing faster and a bit more direct. It needed to be done to keep us in this league but it doesn’t tell us how he’d do with his own squad. What would a Holden squad look like and would the style become more direct? We don’t even know if he’d stick with 4-3-3, switch to 3-5-2 or something else.
On balance I’d stick with him because we can’t keep changing managers. As always what happens next season will mainly be down to our recruitment. Without that no manager has a chance. We’ve signed too many who aren’t good enough and not enough top end L1 players
Yup. Pretty much this.
Given how quickly, Sandgaard/ Jackson/ Garner/ Andy Scott went from new dawn to false dawn probably best to wait a little longer on deciding Holden's moniker.
We've a limited squad with a limited way to play, realistically we have two wingers. And they have to play "inverted". Can't really judge him that well based on what he's working with. he's shown enough on the football side that he's a dependable pragmatic type, and that'll do fine. Trying to rebrand yourself as the league one Arsenal is great when you have the time and resources to do it but, this is league one, where a pool of 10 teams could make top 6 and another 10 bottom 6.
Let's do something crazy and try a bit of stability.
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