I don’t know why my comment about him wearing no. 8 caused such a stir. It was only a light-hearted comment.
I understand that forwards have played in that number in decades past but over the last 20 years or so, I think I’ve seen more full backs playing on the ‘wrong side’ while wearing 2 or 3 than I have seen forwards wearing 8.
Their last game at Burnden Park too, vaguely remember coming home from a school trip to watch it on Sky.
Was it? I was there, lost heavily if I remember, but thought it was the game where a certain Tom Hovi played. Could be I’ve got it completely wrong.
Edit - yep, got the Hovi bit wrong. Otherwise remember the game well, Kinsella pen for us and pain in the arse McGinlay with a double for them in a 4-1 defeat.
Their last game at Burnden Park too, vaguely remember coming home from a school trip to watch it on Sky.
Was it? I was there, lost heavily if I remember, but thought it was the game where a certain Tom Hovi played. Could be I’ve got it completely wrong.
Edit - yep, got the Hovi bit wrong. Otherwise remember the game well, Kinsella pen for us and pain in the arse McGinlay with a double for them in a 4-1 defeat.
I don’t know why my comment about him wearing no. 8 caused such a stir. It was only a light-hearted comment.
I understand that forwards have played in that number in decades past but over the last 20 years or so, I think I’ve seen more full backs playing on the ‘wrong side’ while wearing 2 or 3 than I have seen forwards wearing 8.
It's a weird part of the modern game that people give positions specific numbers, as if football was rugby union
The number 9 - the target man and main central attacker - that number has long been used The number 10 - the creative second central attacker The number 8 - the box to box midfielder The number 6 - the holding midfielder (despite the fact that traditionally number 6s were centre backs, and that the defensive midfielder would be 4)
In the modern era of players wearing any two digit number they fancy up to 99, what does it matter?
For me 5 & 6 were always centre backs. 4 was the defensive midfielder, 7 & 11 were the wide men, 9 was the centre forward and 8 & 10 were either forwards or attacking midfielders.
Nowadays I doubt most starting line ups have more than 3 or 4 numbers in them from 1-11.
Going back even further when continental teams first started to play a back four namely Italy they used to number their teams from right to left so RB was 2, RCB 3, LCB 4 and LB 5.
Ray Kennedy who went from double winners Arsenal 70/71 as an inside forward wearing the 8 or 10 shirt to a midfielder with Liverpool in 1974 wearing number 5, whilst the CBs wore 4 and 6.
I don’t know why my comment about him wearing no. 8 caused such a stir. It was only a light-hearted comment.
I understand that forwards have played in that number in decades past but over the last 20 years or so, I think I’ve seen more full backs playing on the ‘wrong side’ while wearing 2 or 3 than I have seen forwards wearing 8.
For me I just didn't understand it. Now I do. Apparently there is such a thing as a stupid question. 🙄
Barley believable how inept Bonne was today. His contribution, and that word is doing some heavy lifting is this sentence, was next to nothing. Slow, weaker and less physical than when he left. A raw Kanu is far better.
I remember him being able to run the channels and put pressure on the defenders. Now he looks like he's running through treacle. Kanu would probably do the same, if not better job.
Macauley Bonne Bonne Bonne, Where’s he gone gone gone?!?!?
One shot shortly after coming on as a sub for his second debut and apart form that you’d barely know he’d made another appearance if you hadn’t seen the team sheet.
Look, there’s no surprises here - he’s much the same player we sold to QPR. One thing he could never do effectively was play lone striker. He never was great at holding the ball up and bringing others into it, and he won’t engineer chances for himself like Chuks and Miles can occasionally do.
He might do a bit more with one of those two alongside him, but until all 3 of our strikers are fit, which may never happen, I don’t foresee us being able to start with two up top. It why I was one saying we needed another striker after Stockley left.
He might have been the best we could get, but he was also never going to be good enough. He’s another one of our many “nearly men”. If he was any one of a bit quicker, or stronger, or more skillful, or faster, then he might be a handful but he seems easy enough for jobbing league one centre backs to fold up and stick in their back pocket.
Just like when Stockley was being no less effective, it seriously handicaps our ability to build attacks.
I also just hate watching him play because he frustrates me so much, he’s just not very bright and makes the wrong decision, or gets caught offside etc. far too often.
Case in point was late in the game today, when they’re trying to waste as much time as they can, he challenges their keeper for a ball he was never winning, treads on the keeper’s foot, and allows them to waste some more time. Not the end of the world but just symptomatic of his general dimwittedness.
There’s just so little to enjoy about watching us at the moment.
Playing a line role is tough enough .. but when you don’t get a single chance created by the players around you it’s going to be tougher .. that’s what happening same as it did with Stockley people attacked Stockley but it’s the same problem .. Bonne got better movement but .. fact is our wingers are not good enough to play this system today both Raki and CBT had enough of the ball and opportunities to create chances but failed to muster a single one
that’s where the problem is not the lone striker whoever may play that role
He is an absolute joke. Time and time again he made the wrong runs. He actually turned in to Stockley and was waving his arms about when a pass didn’t go where he wanted it (never mind that he would never have got there anyway)
When the 12 mins of added time was shown, I said to my Son “let’s go I can’t face watching Bonne for another 12 minutes”
He is no goal threat whatsoever - not even in the shooting drill in the warm up.
He is an absolute joke. Time and time again he made the wrong runs. He actually turned in to Stockley and was waving his arms about when a pass didn’t go where he wanted it (never mind that he would never have got there anyway)
When the 12 mins of added time was shown, I said to my Son “let’s go I can’t face watching Bonne for another 12 minutes”
He is no goal threat whatsoever - not even in the shooting drill in the warm up.
That moment in the 2nd half when Fraser played the wrong ball...Bonne made exactly the worst possible run, which made the ball extremely difficult. Fraser should have shot, of course, but Bonne's movement was just so dunderheaded
Does make me laugh that the black box apparently came up with Bonne in August (rather than him just being an average ex-player) then in 5 months it couldn't find a single better alternative.
But what is also true is last time in league 1 he scored 12 league goals which lets face it is more than any if our players this season and 1 less than what Stockley got last season
Meaning he can score
However as with Stockley we are not playing to his strengths, well will this club and our managers(i really like Holden but he is getting this wrong) learn we need to play 2 upfront
1 upfront doesn't work, it didn't work with Stockley and its not working with Bonne.
We play best with 2 upfront, we looked slightly better when Aneke and Bonne were up top together
But what is also true is last time in league 1 he scored 12 league goals which lets face it is more than any if our players this season and 1 less than what Stockley got last season
Meaning he can score
However as with Stockley we are not playing to his strengths, well will this club and our managers(i really like Holden but he is getting this wrong) learn we need to play 2 upfront
1 upfront doesn't work, it didn't work with Stockley and its not working with Bonne.
We play best with 2 upfront, we looked slightly better when Aneke and Bonne were up top together
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I understand that forwards have played in that number in decades past but over the last 20 years or so, I think I’ve seen more full backs playing on the ‘wrong side’ while wearing 2 or 3 than I have seen forwards wearing 8.
Edit - yep, got the Hovi bit wrong. Otherwise remember the game well, Kinsella pen for us and pain in the arse McGinlay with a double for them in a 4-1 defeat.
Indeed I wonder if that was actually the formation, rather than the more logical
Petterson
Barness Rufus Balmer Mortimer
Lisbie Kinsella O'Connell Robinson
Allen Bright
The number 9 - the target man and main central attacker - that number has long been used
The number 10 - the creative second central attacker
The number 8 - the box to box midfielder
The number 6 - the holding midfielder (despite the fact that traditionally number 6s were centre backs, and that the defensive midfielder would be 4)
For me 5 & 6 were always centre backs. 4 was the defensive midfielder, 7 & 11 were the wide men, 9 was the centre forward and 8 & 10 were either forwards or attacking midfielders.
Nowadays I doubt most starting line ups have more than 3 or 4 numbers in them from 1-11.
Cannot believe how bad he was today. Don’t remember him being that bad previously.
And hard to disagree with!
Bonne has scored 1 goal in his last 40 games.
Where’s he gone gone gone?!?!?
One shot shortly after coming on as a sub for his second debut and apart form that you’d barely know he’d made another appearance if you hadn’t seen the team sheet.
Look, there’s no surprises here - he’s much the same player we sold to QPR. One thing he could never do effectively was play lone striker. He never was great at holding the ball up and bringing others into it, and he won’t engineer chances for himself like Chuks and Miles can occasionally do.
He might have been the best we could get, but he was also never going to be good enough. He’s another one of our many “nearly men”. If he was any one of a bit quicker, or stronger, or more skillful, or faster, then he might be a handful but he seems easy enough for jobbing league one centre backs to fold up and stick in their back pocket.
Just like when Stockley was being no less effective, it seriously handicaps our ability to build attacks.
I also just hate watching him play because he frustrates me so much, he’s just not very bright and makes the wrong decision, or gets caught offside etc. far too often.
that’s where the problem is not the lone striker whoever may play that role
He is no goal threat whatsoever - not even in the shooting drill in the warm up.
Just try again with Bonne....
Bonne on the other hand has no distinctive traits to his game, whatsoever. He’s just….there.
But what is also true is last time in league 1 he scored 12 league goals which lets face it is more than any if our players this season and 1 less than what Stockley got last season
Meaning he can score
However as with Stockley we are not playing to his strengths, well will this club and our managers(i really like Holden but he is getting this wrong) learn we need to play 2 upfront
1 upfront doesn't work, it didn't work with Stockley and its not working with Bonne.
We play best with 2 upfront, we looked slightly better when Aneke and Bonne were up top together
Bolton
Derby
Plymouth
Sheffield Wednesday
Barnsley
All the best teams in this league play 2 up front, I have been saying it all season and will carry on saying it till im blue in the face
We won't get anywhere playing 1 up front
Rak-Saki has scored 9 in 26 and he plays on the wing.