A different slant, and serious not sarcastic. question to the Board, or anyone, why was Appleton sacked? simple answer we did not win enough games. Thus next question, why did we not win enough games?
What was Appleton doing wrong?
If the Board does not have the answers how will they get it right next time?
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
Very good … the owners clearly care and want to be a success sure like all owners last thing they really want to do is sack the manager .. but it happens
He had to go, it was clear a few games ago! However now he's gone we need to move on, rapidly! We need a man manager, who is a good coach that instlls pride in the shirt and, more importantly, themselves. We do have the players to get us to safety, but we need a manager who has been there and done it at this or Championship level. So for me it's between Jones, Duff, or even Warnock. If it's either of the first 2 I'd ask AC to oversee as an experienced 'old head'. As for Scott he has to get this right or he should also fall on his sword/sacked. Next few days are crucial in the future of our once great club....the clock is ticking!
Can someone explain to me what Duff has actually done to even begin to be in consideration? Barnsley should have been a club in the play offs, they were Championship the year before and had a strong squad. He's had two half decent seasons in League One and suddenly he's one of the best choices for us? Not convinced.
We need to get out of this mess. We have the players, we need a manager they want to play for and who has a bit of gravitas about him to get them playing.
Jones seems to be the most capable out there, Bowyer also isn't employed and we know about him. Let's not have a punt on someone who 'might' be good. There's been too much of that.
He took a Cheltenham side that had never been above L2 and had been finishing at the lower end of that up to L1 and made them competitive at that level, turning Alfie May into a goal machine along the way in a 352 and having Cheltenham to their highest ever finish. Cheltenham being in L1 let alone surviving there was completely unprecedented, it's a really big deal for them. Barnsley are a weird club. They have rich owners who will not spend and rely on selling their best players every season and bringing new ones in. They didn't have a strong squad; only one of their top 6 appearance makers from the previous season were still there in 22/23 and they lost all their goalscorers. They lost Cauley Woodrow and replaced him with Slobodan Tedic. Duff turned Devante Cole from a non-goalscoring striker into a machine (familiar theme there). They keep their good players on average for about two years before a better team comes in for them and they go and need to be replaced, and their first window in 22/23 was pretty much entirely free transfers and loans just like ours was in Garner's first window. They finished 4th with 86 points and lost in the play-off final at the death against a Sheff Weds team who finished on 96 points, which would have won them the league every year going back to 2017/18. We were 10th on 62. Other than his disappointing brief spell at Swansea a league up that's his whole career, there aren't long periods of failure in amongst the successes. That's why he's seen as a good choice, we're actually fairly similar to Barnsley in the frustrating transfer operations and lack of team stability but they made a much better fist of it under Duff than we have in years.
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
What a load of bollocks. The boards last extensive search identified Michael Appleton as the stand out choice, which clearly he wasn’t. Everyone bar the board knew that. What faith can we have you’ll get it right this time? Very little!
Oh god - it's going to go wrong and we will go down if we hire someone on the chance they might be good. Non Charlton connection hires have NEVER worked in my lifetime. I am a data guy, and i dont like what the historic data is telling me here!
I am more than happy to take a chance on a Duff / Jones at the start of the year. Hire someone like that now and 100% guaranteed we are gone.
My position is clear, but what way it goes who knows?
We need something special that gets the fanbase rocking - that much I know. We arent good enough to stay up on the pitch - we need a major spirit in the stands to get the job done.
Hi Damo you really think that we don’t have a good enough squad to stay up ? I agree that we are in a relegation fight now but surely that’s not down to quality ?
Oh god - it's going to go wrong and we will go down if we hire someone on the chance they might be good. Non Charlton connection hires have NEVER worked in my lifetime. I am a data guy, and i dont like what the historic data is telling me here!
I am more than happy to take a chance on a Duff / Jones at the start of the year. Hire someone like that now and 100% guaranteed we are gone.
My position is clear, but what way it goes who knows?
We need something special that gets the fanbase rocking - that much I know. We arent good enough to stay up on the pitch - we need a major spirit in the stands to get the job done.
Who would unite the majority of the fanbase? Bowyer doesn’t want to come back (confirmed by Cawley) and Powell doesn’t want to be a manager anymore (confirmed by Powell himself in an interview a few months ago).
I don’t see Pearce, Jackson, Euell etc having the same impact on the fans. I don’t see Curbs as the answer either.
Oh god - it's going to go wrong and we will go down if we hire someone on the chance they might be good. Non Charlton connection hires have NEVER worked in my lifetime. I am a data guy, and i dont like what the historic data is telling me here!
I am more than happy to take a chance on a Duff / Jones at the start of the year. Hire someone like that now and 100% guaranteed we are gone.
My position is clear, but what way it goes who knows?
We need something special that gets the fanbase rocking - that much I know. We arent good enough to stay up on the pitch - we need a major spirit in the stands to get the job done.
Hi Damo you really think that we don’t have a good enough squad to stay up ? I agree that we are in a relegation fight now but surely that’s not down to quality ?
No thats not what i am saying (re players on the pitch). The club is broken for whatever reason at the moment. Successful periods at Charlton have always involved a unique bond between all elements - fans, players, management and staff. At the moment we have lost that, and even though on paper you would absolutely think we have enough, losing that special 'Charlton' around the place means that the spirit is gone, and on paper is not enough.
Get the Charlton back and on the pitch would come together.
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
What a load of bollocks. The boards last extensive search identified Michael Appleton as the stand out choice, which clearly he wasn’t. Everyone bar the board knew that. What faith can we have you’ll get it right this time? Very little!
I don’t get this approach. What’s the point of living then! What’s the point of changing things to better your life! What’s the point of making changes to improve things! Why would anyone bother with anything if they felt there was no point. Why not just give up!
Like I said, I don’t get this approach. We’ve been through a lot but I’d rather stay positive. Better than the alternative.
Let’s forget all the bollocks about a manager who plays to a formation, or someone who has “potential”.
We need our next gaffer to turn our squad into a lean, mean machine - players who will run the extra yard and fight for that shirt. The pretty stuff can start next season, assuming we stay up.
So in my mind, that rules out the likes of Jones and Duff as both look a little flaky. Steve Evans is a dumptruck, but look at how he delivers.
If we could tempt Warnock, he would keep us up and that will give the Board a chance to make a sensible longer term decision in May [NOT August] Finally, if Fleming and Pearcy manage to turn it around, we may not need Warnock.
First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle. If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton. We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?
I would have carried on until the end of the season because:
1. It gives the message to current and future players that at Charlton you cannot just ’down tools’, undermine the head coach and expect a change.
2. It shows to future head coaches that at Charlton you get a minimum of one full season.
I accept that this policy means that based on current form we would have got relegated but:
1. I think current form is due to players ’downing tools’ and it wouldn't have continued anyway once they realise the head coach is staying. I believe this because Appleton did get results earlier in the season that got us from our current position up to 9th.
2. We’ve had too many short term, knee jerk reactions. We need to get back to thinking of our long term interest. It shows future coaches that we are not a sacking club. It also shows the players that the head coach is boss and not held ransom to soft baby players of such insolence and disrespect.
First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle. If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton. We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?
He's in France.
Lol. Like that makes my opinion unworthy. You have to do better.
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
What a load of bollocks. The boards last extensive search identified Michael Appleton as the stand out choice, which clearly he wasn’t. Everyone bar the board knew that. What faith can we have you’ll get it right this time? Very little!
I don’t get this approach. What’s the point of living then! What’s the point of changing things to better your life! What’s the point of making changes to improve things! Why would anyone bother with anything if they felt there was no point. Why not just give up!
Like I said, I don’t get this approach. We’ve been through a lot but I’d rather stay positive. Better than the alternative.
I think you misunderstand. What he’s saying is that you have to understand why it went wrong in order to be able to get it right. Some people suggest Curbs for the job which is daft imo. What they should be doing is asking Curbs to help out in the recruitment process.
I understand the shouts for Warnock to keep us up but all it means is another new manager in the summer. I’d rather get the (hopefully) long-term manager in now and start building.
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
What a load of bollocks. The boards last extensive search identified Michael Appleton as the stand out choice, which clearly he wasn’t. Everyone bar the board knew that. What faith can we have you’ll get it right this time? Very little!
I don’t get this approach. What’s the point of living then! What’s the point of changing things to better your life! What’s the point of making changes to improve things! Why would anyone bother with anything if they felt there was no point. Why not just give up!
Like I said, I don’t get this approach. We’ve been through a lot but I’d rather stay positive. Better than the alternative.
I think you misunderstand. What he’s saying is that you have to understand why it went wrong in order to be able to get it right. Some people suggest Curbs for the job which is daft imo. What they should be doing is asking Curbs to help out in the recruitment process.
I do get that. I suppose the hope is they’ve got to get it right sometime.
First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle. If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton. We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?
I would have carried on until the end of the season because:
1. It gives the message to current and future players that at Charlton you cannot just ’down tools’, undermine the head coach and expect a change.
2. It shows to future head coaches that at Charlton you get a minimum of one full season.
I accept that this policy means that based on current form we would have got relegated but:
1. I think current form is due to players ’downing tools’ and it wouldn't have continued anyway once they realise the head coach is staying. I believe this because Appleton did get results earlier in the season that got us from our current position up to 9th.
2. We’ve had too many short term, knee jerk reactions. We need to get back to thinking of our long term interest. It shows future coaches that we are not a sacking club. It also shows the players that the head coach is boss and not held ransom to soft baby players of such insolence and disrespect.
You simply cannot keep a manager in a job so underperforming with this group of players.
I'm one of our biggest critics and the blame doesn't lie solely at Appleton's door..... but
NO clean sheets in 15 games 1 win in 13 games
We ARE better than Leyton Orient, Northampton etc - man for man - but simply, the fundamental training and set up of the side was laughable
Not one person understands why Louis Watson wasn't playing / getting more game time - APART from Michael Appleton.
Best Man, Andy Woodman of Bromley FC Quite successful last three seasons.
or
Chris Powell
Why not Curbishley
I wouldn’t mind seeing Curb’s in a director of football type role……maybe even assistant manager of sorts.
Not sure he'd be much cop at the recruitment side of things having been out of the game for so long but would be useful as a mentor to a less experienced manager - in the same way as Peacock was around to help him early on. Would have been ideal as a dof/mentor to Jackson when he was manager.
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
What a load of bollocks. The boards last extensive search identified Michael Appleton as the stand out choice, which clearly he wasn’t. Everyone bar the board knew that. What faith can we have you’ll get it right this time? Very little!
I don’t get this approach. What’s the point of living then! What’s the point of changing things to better your life! What’s the point of making changes to improve things! Why would anyone bother with anything if they felt there was no point. Why not just give up!
Like I said, I don’t get this approach. We’ve been through a lot but I’d rather stay positive. Better than the alternative.
MontcalmRed posted the club statement, which I was referring to and it is a load of bollox but of course what else could they say?
Scott said Appleton was the outstanding candidate, probably from a very small pond, we all knew he wasn’t! Why couldn’t they see that, if they couldn’t , then it doesn’t give me much faith they can do better this time around.
Following the departure of Michael Appleton as Men’s First-Team Head Coach, the Board of Directors wanted to update the club's supporters. Please see the update below:
Our current league position and form over the last two months is not good enough and does not match the ambition and investment of the club’s owners or the expectations of us as a Board, the club’s staff and you, the supporters.
To arrest our recent form the decision has been taken to relieve Men’s First-Team Head Coach Michael Appleton and Men’s First-Team Coach Richard O’Donnell of their respective roles.
Our search for the club’s next Men’s First-Team Head Coach is under way. Given our current position and the ambition of everyone at the club, it is vital we get the right appointment to lead Charlton forward.
In the meantime Curtis Fleming will take interim charge, supported by Jason Pearce and Stephen Henderson. Curtis is a very experienced coach while Jason and Stephen have a real understanding of the club given their history as players at Charlton.
While appointing a new Head Coach is a key priority, we are also well aware that there is just over a week left in the January transfer window. We have already signed seven players this month and we are still looking to further strengthen the squad before the window closes next week. The transfer activity will be overseen, as it has been throughout January, by the club’s Technical Director Andy Scott.
We would like to thank you for your continued, passionate support and assure you that everyone at the club is working hard to turn things around on the pitch. Your support will play an important role in helping us finish the season as high up the table as possible.
What a load of bollocks. The boards last extensive search identified Michael Appleton as the stand out choice, which clearly he wasn’t. Everyone bar the board knew that. What faith can we have you’ll get it right this time? Very little!
I don’t get this approach. What’s the point of living then! What’s the point of changing things to better your life! What’s the point of making changes to improve things! Why would anyone bother with anything if they felt there was no point. Why not just give up!
Like I said, I don’t get this approach. We’ve been through a lot but I’d rather stay positive. Better than the alternative.
I think you misunderstand. What he’s saying is that you have to understand why it went wrong in order to be able to get it right. Some people suggest Curbs for the job which is daft imo. What they should be doing is asking Curbs to help out in the recruitment process.
I do get that. I suppose the hope is they’ve got to get it right sometime.
Have you seen anything so far that suggests they will, I haven’t.
I worry that it’s actually gone beyond that now, genuinely worried that this team doesn’t have it in them to keep us up regardless of who’s in charge.
If someone that has a strong connection to the club comes in I believe we would stay up.
This. 100pc. It’s what I’ve been saying for ages.
Christ - please do the right thing and LISTEN to this.
I guarantee Powell would get the crowd pumping to stay up. If we bring in someone like Duff etc we are gone.
It’s not scientific now. We are too far gone to rely on anything but Charlton magic now.
Please.
How many clubs are there that need to be managed by someone with history at that club? Can’t think of any really successful ones that do. I agree that it’s certainly worked for us with Curbs, Powell etc. but we shouldn’t limit ourselves to only going for ex players. I think it’s a sign of desperation if anything. Would the biggest clubs be where they are today if they’d done that? Yes, fans might be patient for a little longer if things aren’t going well on the pitch, but they/we did turn on JJ and Bowyer eventually.
Having said that I would mind if Bowyer came back, and maybe JJ further down the line.
First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle. If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton. We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?
He's in France.
Lol. Like that makes my opinion unworthy. You have to do better.
I was just responding to the question he asked or are you refuting you live in France?
First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle. If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton. We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?
I would have carried on until the end of the season because:
1. It gives the message to current and future players that at Charlton you cannot just ’down tools’, undermine the head coach and expect a change.
2. It shows to future head coaches that at Charlton you get a minimum of one full season.
I accept that this policy means that based on current form we would have got relegated but:
1. I think current form is due to players ’downing tools’ and it wouldn't have continued anyway once they realise the head coach is staying. I believe this because Appleton did get results earlier in the season that got us from our current position up to 9th.
2. We’ve had too many short term, knee jerk reactions. We need to get back to thinking of our long term interest. It shows future coaches that we are not a sacking club. It also shows the players that the head coach is boss and not held ransom to soft baby players of such insolence and disrespect.
Need to think about our long term interest, but happy to get relegated to prove a point. Make it make sense
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question to the Board, or anyone, why was Appleton sacked?
simple answer we did not win enough games.
Thus next question, why did we not win enough games?
But thanks for asking.
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No thats not what i am saying (re players on the pitch). The club is broken for whatever reason at the moment. Successful periods at Charlton have always involved a unique bond between all elements - fans, players, management and staff. At the moment we have lost that, and even though on paper you would absolutely think we have enough, losing that special 'Charlton' around the place means that the spirit is gone, and on paper is not enough.
Get the Charlton back and on the pitch would come together.
Let’s forget all the bollocks about a manager who plays to a formation, or someone who has “potential”.
We need our next gaffer to turn our squad into a lean, mean machine - players who will run the extra yard and fight for that shirt. The pretty stuff can start next season, assuming we stay up.
So in my mind, that rules out the likes of Jones and Duff as both look a little flaky. Steve Evans is a dumptruck, but look at how he delivers.
If we could tempt Warnock, he would keep us up and that will give the Board a chance to make a sensible longer term decision in May [NOT August] Finally, if Fleming and Pearcy manage to turn it around, we may not need Warnock.
1. It gives the message to current and future players that at Charlton you cannot just ’down tools’, undermine the head coach and expect a change.
2. It shows to future head coaches that at Charlton you get a minimum of one full season.
I accept that this policy means that based on current form we would have got relegated but:
1. I think current form is due to players ’downing tools’ and it wouldn't have continued anyway once they realise the head coach is staying. I believe this because Appleton did get results earlier in the season that got us from our current position up to 9th.
2. We’ve had too many short term, knee jerk reactions. We need to get back to thinking of our long term interest. It shows future coaches that we are not a sacking club. It also shows the players that the head coach is boss and not held ransom to soft baby players of such insolence and disrespect.
be my clear number one choice, if there’s any chance I hope we go for it.
Some people suggest Curbs for the job which is daft imo. What they should be doing is asking Curbs to help out in the recruitment process.
I'm one of our biggest critics and the blame doesn't lie solely at Appleton's door..... but
NO clean sheets in 15 games
1 win in 13 games
We ARE better than Leyton Orient, Northampton etc - man for man - but simply, the fundamental training and set up of the side was laughable
Not one person understands why Louis Watson wasn't playing / getting more game time - APART from Michael Appleton.
He died on his sword.
Scott said Appleton was the outstanding candidate, probably from a very small pond, we all knew he wasn’t! Why couldn’t they see that, if they couldn’t , then it doesn’t give me much faith they can do better this time around.
Yes, fans might be patient for a little longer if things aren’t going well on the pitch, but they/we did turn on JJ and Bowyer eventually.