That is the model since Roland and it continues development of young players and to sell them. Don’t give a fuck about the team the fans the club
No, this has been the model (bar the Premiership years) since we returned the The Valley - in truth long before that as well. We developed and sold Academy products to cover the recurring deficits in the years prior to promotion to the Prem in 1998 (Minto and Bowyer most notably). Selling young players is not the issue. It's when you sell them. If the timing is dictated simply by when you desperately need a cash injection, you'll go nowhere. If, as CM described, the plan is to hang on to them until their value's optimised for CAFC and make at least some of the cash available to strengthen the squad, that's how most EFL clubs can achieved progress and promotion. They could have sold Leaburn after the takeover was completed on 19 July if they were the penny-pinchers they're accused of being. They probably won't have a choice at the end of the season if he continues his progress as he'll probably have Premier League suitors but that's fine. It should have added to his value. Time will tell if CM is good to his word and if Appleton can deliver as head coach but as for the owners' motives, as I've said until blue in the face, investing £10m+ in CAFC makes ZERO sense for the large shareholders. Unlike all owners for the past 10+ years (who are patently not interested in the club for money laundering purposes, expansion of a European network, asset-stripping or a vanity project) to aim for anything other than at least 1 promotion. That's not to say they'll throw stupid money at the squad (they evidently won't and I'm thankful for that because it often fails and you're left in deeper shit) but it should mean they'll likely provide the working capital to enable a manager to build a promotion-capable squad over time albeit, yes, selling homegrown players along the way.
All well and good, but if they don't get fans back in the Valley. What then?
No fans = no club, so these owners do need to spend money, because even Merlin the Fucking Magician will not get much out of our weak squad.
Start so far?
A poor transfer window, sacked Holden, shocking league form, out of 2 cups to shit L2 opposition [& conceding 7 goals in 2 games] and a new head coach who is at best, average - they have not endeared themselves to the paying faithful.
I am trying to think of ONE decision they have got right - maybe you can help on that one?
They've been in sole control of the Club for precisely 51 days. One good decision - they sacked Holden early enough to potentially save the season. Before you say it, yes, they were instrumental in his appointment last December. That was on a short-term contract from the cast available then (different to now) and had to conform to Sandgaard's budget. It was Sandgaard that gave DH a 3 year deal in March, at a time when negotiations with CM's group as a potential buyer had been terminated by TS and CM's management team had left the club. Fans will return if we climb the league and challenge for top 6. That's not guaranteed, obviously, but that is the only logical reason for replacing DH with MA. We'll see if it works.
Having failed to tempt Sir Alex out of retirement,and accepted that Mr Klopp is happy in his work just who did we expect to take this job.No person who is already employed would leave their position to come here.So we have to select from the unemployed.Michael Appleton has got the job seeing off it seems several other candidates,I hope he does not see the comments on this forum because he will realise that most of the fan base already before a ball is kicked have no faith in him,making his task even harder. Is it too much to ask ,that we sit back,watch what happens over the next few weeks and draw our conclusions then,in the meantime give him all the support we can ,especially at home games where it makes all the difference.
Will give MA my support for now......maybe that's what this group of players need is a task-master. A good kick up the ass. I remember a team he coached came down to the Valley and played some neat football so hopefully it won't be too dour.
when all is said and steam done steaming, we are stuck with him and despite my VERY ;large misgivings, I (of course) wish him all the best .. BUT .. last whinge, it's a bit like expecting a nice Christmas present, but all y'end up with is a walnut and a mouldy orange .. IF yer no wot i meen
Uninspiring transfer window and uninspiring Manager appointment. The new SLT and owners have had two chances to give the fans something to be excited about. Failed both times.
I too am apathetic, however some previous appointments have not turned out as I expected. Lennie Lawrence - who knew he would be a legend? Alan Curbishley - I'll be honest I wanted Steve Gritt, Alan Pardew - I was delighted when he was appointed. I'll be there supporting the team whatever and I wish Appleton all the best.
It's not about the name, it's about the fit. I remember when big name Pardew came in, and how that turned out.
We change managers that often, that sooner or later we will strike it lucky again, just as we did with Curbs.
We are long overdue some luck.
I'm not interested in his Press Conferences, his interview's, his public relations exercises, or even his work in the community. I want him to concentrate 100% on getting us out of this division.
I just hope some of you made good money from the bookies, this was on the cards all along & I suspect Holden was undermined to engineer this - just sad that we weren't beaten to this by Eastleigh
This is all Charlton Life's fault. Ever since Powell got sacked, whenever the managers post has been vacant, Appleton's meme pic was posted. Charlie Meth-head has spent the last week looking through our history and believes he has struck gold by appointing a true club icon.
Apparently the second favourite for the job was Kenneth Williams
An appointment which leaves me completely emotionless. No pitchforks out or anything. Just an almighty and resounding MEH. Our transformation into a middle of the road third tier club is complete.
Having failed to tempt Sir Alex out of retirement,and accepted that Mr Klopp is happy in his work just who did we expect to take this job.No person who is already employed would leave their position to come here.So we have to select from the unemployed.Michael Appleton has got the job seeing off it seems several other candidates,I hope he does not see the comments on this forum because he will realise that most of the fan base already before a ball is kicked have no faith in him,making his task even harder. Is it too much to ask ,that we sit back,watch what happens over the next few weeks and draw our conclusions then,in the meantime give him all the support we can ,especially at home games where it makes all the difference.
It is I'm afraid. We are sick to the back teeth of waiting for jam tomorrow from the clowns that continue to plague us. It goes along these lines.As long As Duchatelet continues to have a hold on us, we will continue to attract rats like Methven and managers that really aren't up to the job. And until something changes I will continue to moan about it.
This is all Charlton Life's fault. Ever since Powell got sacked, whenever the managers post has been vacant, Appleton's meme pic was posted. Charlie Meth-head has spent the last week looking through our history and believes he has struck gold by appointing a true club icon.
Apparently the second favourite for the job was Kenneth Williams
I’ll reserve judgment, but it’s pretty cheeky for the club website to say he “has worked at the very top level” when in fact he oversaw one single premier league game as an interim boss.
Also love the way they mention that his last job was at ‘championship’ Blackpool but fail to mention that he took them down.
It would be nice if Methven’s PR spin credited the fans with a modicum of intelligence.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear that the priorities for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from the priorities for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
It's not about the name, it's about the fit. I remember when big name Pardew came in, and how that turned out.
We change managers that often, that sooner or later we will strike it lucky again, just as we did with Curbs.
We are long overdue some luck.
I'm not interested in his Press Conferences, his interview's, his public relations exercises, or even his work in the community. I want him to concentrate 100% on getting us out of this division.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
MA needs to spend a few hours with the defence - a clean sheet would be good!
Whilst I was getting my nails done, I heard the alert go on my phone. I didn’t rush to see it, waited for an opportune moment to read it. My beauty therapist asked me was everything alright because of the noise I made when I read the message from the Club.
I know you're having a😄 But has Pep ever worked with players that didn't have a brilliant first, second and 3rd touch. Why do you think Guardiola only ever has a Plan A (as stated by KDB)
The best football ever played in League 1 was Gus Poyet at Brighton (did we get a kick) as well as Eddie Howe at Bournemouth and on occasions by Ian Evatt at Bolton.
Has Pep even worked at a club that wasn't the best in that country ? I believe not but the guy is still a genius and a perfectionist who will never let his superstars rest on they winning laurels.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
You got the issue in one. The SMT/owners do not care about the fans - that much is obvious from their short time here.
Thats fair enough, but some of us are already staying away, so one way or another, unless the fans are onside then their investment may turn sour. They cannot break even by cost cutting and players sales, so they need to increase income. It will be interesting to see what happens with attendances over the next few months.
MA has a very difficult job, but good luck to him.
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One good decision - they sacked Holden early enough to potentially save the season.
Before you say it, yes, they were instrumental in his appointment last December.
That was on a short-term contract from the cast available then (different to now) and had to conform to Sandgaard's budget. It was Sandgaard that gave DH a 3 year deal in March, at a time when negotiations with CM's group as a potential buyer had been terminated by TS and CM's management team had left the club.
Fans will return if we climb the league and challenge for top 6. That's not guaranteed, obviously, but that is the only logical reason for replacing DH with MA.
We'll see if it works.
Is it too much to ask ,that we sit back,watch what happens over the next few weeks and draw our conclusions then,in the meantime give him all the support we can ,especially at home games where it makes all the difference.
assistant manager ?!
im sure they will all be forced on him and cheap appointments at that…🙄
I remember when big name Pardew came in, and how that turned out.
We change managers that often, that sooner or later we will strike it lucky again, just as we did with Curbs.
We are long overdue some luck.
I'm not interested in his Press Conferences, his interview's, his public relations exercises, or even his work in the community.
I want him to concentrate 100% on getting us out of this division.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/michael-appleton-admits-flattered-linked-14623872
Apparently the second favourite for the job was Kenneth Williams
We are sick to the back teeth of waiting for jam tomorrow from the clowns that continue to plague us.
It goes along these lines.As long As Duchatelet continues to have a hold on us, we will continue to attract rats like Methven and managers that really aren't up to the job. And until something changes I will continue to moan about it.
Fingers crossed and I will back him. By game 15 we should have a clear picture if he's good enough.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear that the priorities for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from the priorities for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not inspired by this appointment.
https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/appleton-charlton-manager.46645/
I didn’t rush to see it, waited for an opportune moment to read it.
My beauty therapist asked me was everything alright because of the noise I made when I read the message from the Club.
Think that says all you need to know.
🙄😒
I know you're having a😄
But has Pep ever worked with players that didn't have a brilliant first, second and 3rd touch.
Why do you think Guardiola only ever has a Plan A (as stated by KDB)
The best football ever played in League 1 was Gus Poyet at Brighton (did we get a kick) as well as Eddie Howe at Bournemouth and on occasions by Ian Evatt at Bolton.
Has Pep even worked at a club that wasn't the best in that country ? I believe not but the guy is still a genius and a perfectionist who will never let his superstars rest on they winning laurels.
Thats fair enough, but some of us are already staying away, so one way or another, unless the fans are onside then their investment may turn sour. They cannot break even by cost cutting and players sales, so they need to increase income. It will be interesting to see what happens with attendances over the next few months.
MA has a very difficult job, but good luck to him.
Oh dear, I’m not liking this. A recycled failure.