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Michael Appleton - Sacked 23/1/2024 (p105)

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  • edited September 2023
    NabySarr said:
    Positives:

    Works well with young players and we have a young squad

    Gets good loans from PL teams as they trust him to develop their youngsters (not really a positive for now but for future transfer windows)

    Do you know that for a fact or did you just swallow the blurb the club put out ?

    Of  course he has to work with young players......that's all we have. And until January he'll have no influence on bringing in any loans. And after that no real scope unless a couple go back. He w9nt really have a say about player incomings until June next year. And then he'll have plenty of options as we have the usual 10-12 player churn. 


    Using under 21 as the benchmark:
    Isted-26
    AMB-24
    Jones-27
    TT-27
    Hector-31
    Ness-21 Young player
    Assimwe-18 Young player
    T Watson-26 ("Watson 26" bring back some bad memories)
    Edun-25
    Dobbo-25
    Camara-26
    May-30
    Fraser-28
    Leaburn-19 Young player
    Taylor-22 
    Abankwah-19 Young Player
    Kirk-25
    McGrandles-27
    T. Campbell-19 Young Player
    Aneke-30
    CBT-25
    L Watson-22
    Deji-20 next week Young player
    C. Campbell-20 Young Player
    Chin-20 Young player
    Kanu-18 Young player
    Tedic-23 
    Anderson-18 Young player

    There are some young players in the squad, but it's by no means "the only players we have." Just because Holden decided to start five teenagers a couple of weeks ago doesn't mean that's what our squad is made up of. Also, looking at those young players, Chin won't make many league matchday squads, I think Deji and Kanu will struggle to make the squad. I wonder if it will be two from three of Assimwe, Watson, and Abankwah, which would mean another 18 year old missing out. 

    What you're left with is some young players, some predigious, like Miles and TC, to a lesser extent (at this moment) Anderson and Asiimwe (could maybe put Ness in there). C Campbell has looked very good since joining. Ness is still younger and less experienced than many realize. But I would say about half of our young players are on the fringes of the squad. 
  • SDAddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Positives:

    Works well with young players and we have a young squad

    Gets good loans from PL teams as they trust him to develop their youngsters (not really a positive for now but for future transfer windows)

    Do you know that for a fact or did you just swallow the blurb the club put out ?

    Of  course he has to work with young players......that's all we have. And until January he'll have no influence on bringing in any loans. And after that no real scope unless a couple go back. He w9nt really have a say about player incomings until June next year. And then he'll have plenty of options as we have the usual 10-12 player churn. 


    Using under 21 as the benchmark:
    Isted-26
    AMB-24
    Jones-27
    TT-27
    Hector-31
    Ness-21 Young player
    Assimwe-18 Young player
    T Watson-26 ("Watson 26" bring back some bad memories)
    Edun-25
    Dobbo-25
    Camara-26
    May-30
    Fraser-28
    Leaburn-19 Young player
    Taylor-22 
    Abankwah-19 Young Player
    Kirk-25
    McGrandles-27
    T. Campbell-19 Young Player
    Aneke-30
    CBT-25
    L Watson-22
    Deji-20 next week Young player
    C. Campbell-20 Young Player
    Chin-20 Young player
    Kanu-18 Young player
    Tedic-23 
    Asiimwe-18 Young player
    Anderson-18 Young player

    There are some young players in the squad, but it's by no means "the only players we have." Just because Holden decided to start five teenagers a couple of weeks ago doesn't mean that's what our squad is made up of. Also, looking at those young players, Chin won't make many league matchday squads, I think Deji and Kanu will struggle to make the squad. I wonder if it will be two from three of Assimwe, Watson, and Abankwah, which would mean another 18 year old missing out. 

    What you're left with is some young players, some predigious, like Miles and TC, to a lesser extent (at this moment) Anderson and Asiimwe (could maybe put Ness in there). C Campbell has looked very good since joining. Ness is still younger and less experienced than many realize. But I would say about half of our young players are on the fringes of the squad. 
    If they are on the fringes now then that doesn’t mean that with good coaching they won’t become key players next season or the year after. Grant, Aribo, Dijksteel, Phillips were all on the fringes in the seasons before we got promoted last time but developed into key players
  • Is he the best manager with a fruit in his name though? 
    Pip Guardiola.
  • edited September 2023
    NabySarr said:
    NabySarr said:
    Positives:

    Works well with young players and we have a young squad

    Gets good loans from PL teams as they trust him to develop their youngsters (not really a positive for now but for future transfer windows)

    Do you know that for a fact or did you just swallow the blurb the club put out ?

    Of  course he has to work with young players......that's all we have. And until January he'll have no influence on bringing in any loans. And after that no real scope unless a couple go back. He w9nt really have a say about player incomings until June next year. And then he'll have plenty of options as we have the usual 10-12 player churn. 


    In fact here is something I read earlier this week from NTT20 substack on which clubs get the best loan players. So from a neutral before the club even appointed him. I’m definitely not one to swallow club bullshit, I just know a bit about football outside of just the Charlton bubble 

    Some, you already know about. Michael Appleton’s reputation for developing loanees is well-founded. His peak in that regard was 2020/21, when loanees Brennan Johnson (19 upon arrival), Morgan Rogers (18) and TJ Eyoma (20) helped his Lincoln side to reach the League One play-off final, which they’d ultimately lose to Blackpool. In their first-ever loan spells, Johnson started 41 league games and Eyoma 37, with Rogers making 26 line-ups despite joining only in January. Callum Morton(20) and Robbie Gotts (20) also pitched in as upstart temps, while on-loan Alex Palmer played 48 matches in nets, but he was 24 so he’s effectively dead to us.

    Rogers and Johnson, in particular, catapulted themselves into the limelight as well as the Imps into a play-off final: the former earned an upper-Championship loan and the latter went straight into Nottingham Forest’s first team, then to the Premier League, then to Tottenham. How do you like them, Apples? 

    After that, it wasn’t surprising that football’s self-anointed royalty trusted Appleton to handle their crown jewels. Manchester City, the mutual beneficiaries of Rogers’ impressive Imps spell, gave him Lewis Fiorini (19) at Lincoln and again at Blackpool, following Appleton’s appointment there in 2022, and also sent Rogers to Bloomfield Road shortly before the loan whisperer was sacked. Arsenal endowed Appleton with 18-year-olds Brooke Norton-Cuffy (Lincoln) and Charlie Patino (Blackpool), and Liverpool handed 21-year-old Rhys Williams to his Tangerines for a time. Wherever Appleton turns up next, we can expect some elite prospects to follow.


    Not sure how much they can claim these are elite loanees and he helped them develop...? Some of these players are now at the likes of Barrow, Lincoln and Forest Green Rovers. Others are still in the U23's or out on loan. I feel like we've had better loanees than this list. 

    This NTT20 stuff is starting to get on my nerves a bit. I like the two guys and their content but remember it's just the opinions of two blokes. 
  • edited September 2023
    NabySarr said:
    SDAddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Positives:

    Works well with young players and we have a young squad

    Gets good loans from PL teams as they trust him to develop their youngsters (not really a positive for now but for future transfer windows)

    Do you know that for a fact or did you just swallow the blurb the club put out ?

    Of  course he has to work with young players......that's all we have. And until January he'll have no influence on bringing in any loans. And after that no real scope unless a couple go back. He w9nt really have a say about player incomings until June next year. And then he'll have plenty of options as we have the usual 10-12 player churn. 


    Using under 21 as the benchmark:
    Isted-26
    AMB-24
    Jones-27
    TT-27
    Hector-31
    Ness-21 Young player
    Assimwe-18 Young player
    T Watson-26 ("Watson 26" bring back some bad memories)
    Edun-25
    Dobbo-25
    Camara-26
    May-30
    Fraser-28
    Leaburn-19 Young player
    Taylor-22 
    Abankwah-19 Young Player
    Kirk-25
    McGrandles-27
    T. Campbell-19 Young Player
    Aneke-30
    CBT-25
    L Watson-22
    Deji-20 next week Young player
    C. Campbell-20 Young Player
    Chin-20 Young player
    Kanu-18 Young player
    Tedic-23 
    Asiimwe-18 Young player
    Anderson-18 Young player

    There are some young players in the squad, but it's by no means "the only players we have." Just because Holden decided to start five teenagers a couple of weeks ago doesn't mean that's what our squad is made up of. Also, looking at those young players, Chin won't make many league matchday squads, I think Deji and Kanu will struggle to make the squad. I wonder if it will be two from three of Assimwe, Watson, and Abankwah, which would mean another 18 year old missing out. 

    What you're left with is some young players, some predigious, like Miles and TC, to a lesser extent (at this moment) Anderson and Asiimwe (could maybe put Ness in there). C Campbell has looked very good since joining. Ness is still younger and less experienced than many realize. But I would say about half of our young players are on the fringes of the squad. 
    If they are on the fringes now then that doesn’t mean that with good coaching they won’t become key players next season or the year after. Grant, Aribo, Dijksteel, Phillips were all on the fringes in the seasons before we got promoted last time but developed into key players
    Absolutely. I wish we had sent Deji on loan, but poor form at CB before the window may have closed off a L2 loan. i think he's ready for L2, but he's in kind of an awkward position of being good enough to step into the first team as needed, but not so good he's banging the door down.

    I suspect Kanu will go to the National League at some point-and I think that's the next logical step for him. Same for Chin-who I don't have high hopes for. 

    I think Anderson and Asiimwe showed enough in pre-season and in the first couple of matches that they can be in and around the first team. They just need to be relied upon a lot less. I still have high hopes for both, and some of the mistakes they've made have been down to being given too much too soon. There may come a time when neither of them make a matchday 18, and at this point, I think that's okay because it means we have better players. 

    Miles and the Campbells look solid first team players, I don't think that's in much dispute. I feel like we've seen some regression from Ness, which I expected, but there is potential there and I feel like with better players and a better coached team, we'll see him improve. 

    Abankwah is a real wild card, but he comes with good pedigree from a club very good at spotting young talent. I think one loan per season should be reserved for someone like that. And he's not first choice, so he should have time to adapt.

    I actually like our strategy with young players much better this season. Sending Henry and Mitchell on loan was important for both of their progressions. Like I said, I would have liked Deji in there as well, but given how we started the season I get why he's not, and he could always go somewhere for the second half when we have fewer cup games. I think Asiimwe and Anderson are decent enough to spend time with the first team right now. It might be a case with Miles and Campbell last season where you see glimpses but you also get a feeling of "too much too soon" at first, only for them to blossom as the season goes on. Kind of a free hit for them, again with the problem being both have started all of our league games.
  • Chunes said:
    NabySarr said:
    NabySarr said:
    Positives:

    Works well with young players and we have a young squad

    Gets good loans from PL teams as they trust him to develop their youngsters (not really a positive for now but for future transfer windows)

    Do you know that for a fact or did you just swallow the blurb the club put out ?

    Of  course he has to work with young players......that's all we have. And until January he'll have no influence on bringing in any loans. And after that no real scope unless a couple go back. He w9nt really have a say about player incomings until June next year. And then he'll have plenty of options as we have the usual 10-12 player churn. 


    In fact here is something I read earlier this week from NTT20 substack on which clubs get the best loan players. So from a neutral before the club even appointed him. I’m definitely not one to swallow club bullshit, I just know a bit about football outside of just the Charlton bubble 

    Some, you already know about. Michael Appleton’s reputation for developing loanees is well-founded. His peak in that regard was 2020/21, when loanees Brennan Johnson (19 upon arrival), Morgan Rogers (18) and TJ Eyoma (20) helped his Lincoln side to reach the League One play-off final, which they’d ultimately lose to Blackpool. In their first-ever loan spells, Johnson started 41 league games and Eyoma 37, with Rogers making 26 line-ups despite joining only in January. Callum Morton(20) and Robbie Gotts (20) also pitched in as upstart temps, while on-loan Alex Palmer played 48 matches in nets, but he was 24 so he’s effectively dead to us.

    Rogers and Johnson, in particular, catapulted themselves into the limelight as well as the Imps into a play-off final: the former earned an upper-Championship loan and the latter went straight into Nottingham Forest’s first team, then to the Premier League, then to Tottenham. How do you like them, Apples? 

    After that, it wasn’t surprising that football’s self-anointed royalty trusted Appleton to handle their crown jewels. Manchester City, the mutual beneficiaries of Rogers’ impressive Imps spell, gave him Lewis Fiorini (19) at Lincoln and again at Blackpool, following Appleton’s appointment there in 2022, and also sent Rogers to Bloomfield Road shortly before the loan whisperer was sacked. Arsenal endowed Appleton with 18-year-olds Brooke Norton-Cuffy (Lincoln) and Charlie Patino (Blackpool), and Liverpool handed 21-year-old Rhys Williams to his Tangerines for a time. Wherever Appleton turns up next, we can expect some elite prospects to follow.


    Not sure how much they can claim these are elite loanees and he helped them develop...? Some of these players are now at the likes of Barrow, Lincoln and Forest Green Rovers. Others are still in the U23's or out on loan. I feel like we've had better loanees than this list. 

    This NTT20 stuff is starting to get on my nerves a bit. I like the two guys and their content but remember it's just the opinions of two blokes. 
    You’ve picked out 2 that didn’t play much and were only there for half a season. The rest now play at least at the same level and others at a higher level. Gotts is the only one that went down a level after working with Appleton. 

    Yes we got better loans, but that’s because we are a better club with more money. It’s more highlighting that the Man City’s, Arsenals, Liverpools etc trust Appleton with their players because he’s a good coach and has a good record with young player’s development 
  • The transfer window and new manager tell us everything we need to know about the new owners. Another season of poor football and a mid table finish if we're lucky. Or perhaps Appleton can perform a miracle, it's the hope that kills one.
  • I wouldn't feel comfortable with Scott as my boss. 

    Scott distinguished himself from the head coach by mentioning the 'man on the grass' five times in his interview.  It is the responsibility of the 'man on the grass' to meld together the ragtag set of players that he himself has bought through the door. 

    I can't see Scott ever falling on his own sword, when he can simply pull rank and blame the 'man on the grass'. 
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  • Is he the best manager with a fruit in his name though? 
    Pip Guardiola.
    Nigel Pearson

  • NabySarr said:
    Got a feeling he will play 4231 in his first game for us 


    Watson Jones Hector Edun
    Taylor Dobson
    T.Campbell Leaburn CBT
    May 

    An argument for C.Campbell in there cause he's had a good start for us (despite my Wolves mate saying he's shocking) and seems very composed on the ball. 

    Could also make a case for a few others, especially Camara in the double pivot if he's back fit by then. 

    Either way on the face of it, that team looks good enough to get a result, let's see if he can earn his paycheque 
    Leaburn isn’t a number 10. If he wants to set us up in his favoured formation then Leaburn will have to play on the right or he will have to leave out one of May or Leaburn.

    I would have the same personnel (other than Asiimwe in for Watson, who won’t be fit) but actually play people in their best positions and play 4-4-2 with Campbell on the right and Leaburn up top. I think Appleton has played it on occasion so I’m hoping he looks at the squad and picks the best formation for it, rather than trying to make us fit his 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and end up not getting the best out of Leaburn and/or May
    I could see Miles playing the 10, his close ball retention is good and he allows others into the game, gives time for the other 3 to find routes.

    I would have said May but I feel like he is more clinical than Leaburn so we want him in that forward position. 

    Either way I think Miles is versatile enough to play any of the 4 roles, just think his physical presence will come in handy a bit further back where we have been struggling to keep the ball as much
  • was decent when he captained  england but not sure what he knows about football
  • NabySarr said:
    Got a feeling he will play 4231 in his first game for us 


    Watson Jones Hector Edun
    Taylor Dobson
    T.Campbell Leaburn CBT
    May 

    An argument for C.Campbell in there cause he's had a good start for us (despite my Wolves mate saying he's shocking) and seems very composed on the ball. 

    Could also make a case for a few others, especially Camara in the double pivot if he's back fit by then. 

    Either way on the face of it, that team looks good enough to get a result, let's see if he can earn his paycheque 
    Leaburn isn’t a number 10. If he wants to set us up in his favoured formation then Leaburn will have to play on the right or he will have to leave out one of May or Leaburn.

    I would have the same personnel (other than Asiimwe in for Watson, who won’t be fit) but actually play people in their best positions and play 4-4-2 with Campbell on the right and Leaburn up top. I think Appleton has played it on occasion so I’m hoping he looks at the squad and picks the best formation for it, rather than trying to make us fit his 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and end up not getting the best out of Leaburn and/or May
    I could see Miles playing the 10, his close ball retention is good and he allows others into the game, gives time for the other 3 to find routes.

    I would have said May but I feel like he is more clinical than Leaburn so we want him in that forward position. 

    Either way I think Miles is versatile enough to play any of the 4 roles, just think his physical presence will come in handy a bit further back where we have been struggling to keep the ball as much
    How many number 10s are there of Miles physical stature in world football? He isn’t a number 10, not technical, agile or creative enough for that role. He’s a striker that can do a job out wide from the bench because he’s quick  enough with fresh legs, but really he is just a striker. You want that physical presence up top, we should be playing Leaburn and May as a 2 which is one of my main worries about Appleton. I can already see him playing 1 of them up front, the other out of position or on the bench and not using what could be the best front 2 in the league 
  • I genuinely think these owners are taking the proverbial .  
  • edited September 2023
    I’m  completely underwhelmed with this appointment, shows a complete lack of ambition, and season over already to me.

    If MA can get us keeping clean sheets and winning heavily against opponents we should be thrashing, I’ll be won over, good luck Michael.
  • His dilemma will be how long does he sign a lease for on his new digs. 

    Too long and it will wipe out his pay off and too short he will be flaffing about trying to find somewhere to live when we are in the middle of Saturday Tuesday fixtures and no spare time 😉
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  • Sod this malarkey, I’m putting some Quo on.
  • Welcome Michael and the best of luck. 

    I’m neither disappointed or impressed. This whole club is just a bit meh now.

    See you at the Valley on the 23rd! 
  • Can’t wait for these words from Appleton to appear on web-site .
    Is that one of the valley 14 chips?
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Would love to know if there has been a single positive decision this 'new ownership' has made since buying our club. 

    Been one uninspiring move after the next. Proper tinpot stuff. 
    the only one I can think of is binning “addicts to victory “ everything else has the cheap option . 
    Including sacking Holden 6 months into a 3 month contract?  The cheap option would have been to mot sack him.
    No-one knows what holdens contract said . Didn’t Jacko have one where he could get shoved with a low payment if fell below a certain place in the league ? For all we know Holden may have been on a three month notice. 
    So the cheap option would be to keep him while he servers his notice and not sack his coaches as well?
  • edited September 2023
    The new owners are useless...

    We have had lots of managers ....

    All clueless ...

    We are in trouble ...  

    No one else can help .....

    They hire Michael Appleton ....

    Everyone knows they should have hired the A-Team!

    They would have got the ground back from Roland. As payment they would only want a 10% share in the club.


    But no ....  the new owners are so stupid, they didn't meet Mr Li at the Chinese Laundry! Idiots!
  • Let's give Appleton a chance .
    Judge him after 10 games .
    COYR 
  • NabySarr said:
    NabySarr said:
    Got a feeling he will play 4231 in his first game for us 


    Watson Jones Hector Edun
    Taylor Dobson
    T.Campbell Leaburn CBT
    May 

    An argument for C.Campbell in there cause he's had a good start for us (despite my Wolves mate saying he's shocking) and seems very composed on the ball. 

    Could also make a case for a few others, especially Camara in the double pivot if he's back fit by then. 

    Either way on the face of it, that team looks good enough to get a result, let's see if he can earn his paycheque 
    Leaburn isn’t a number 10. If he wants to set us up in his favoured formation then Leaburn will have to play on the right or he will have to leave out one of May or Leaburn.

    I would have the same personnel (other than Asiimwe in for Watson, who won’t be fit) but actually play people in their best positions and play 4-4-2 with Campbell on the right and Leaburn up top. I think Appleton has played it on occasion so I’m hoping he looks at the squad and picks the best formation for it, rather than trying to make us fit his 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and end up not getting the best out of Leaburn and/or May
    I could see Miles playing the 10, his close ball retention is good and he allows others into the game, gives time for the other 3 to find routes.

    I would have said May but I feel like he is more clinical than Leaburn so we want him in that forward position. 

    Either way I think Miles is versatile enough to play any of the 4 roles, just think his physical presence will come in handy a bit further back where we have been struggling to keep the ball as much
    How many number 10s are there of Miles physical stature in world football? He isn’t a number 10, not technical, agile or creative enough for that role. He’s a striker that can do a job out wide from the bench because he’s quick  enough with fresh legs, but really he is just a striker. You want that physical presence up top, we should be playing Leaburn and May as a 2 which is one of my main worries about Appleton. I can already see him playing 1 of them up front, the other out of position or on the bench and not using what could be the best front 2 in the league 
    To be fair, I'm not too bothered what other 10s look like or do. As far as his technicality and agility go we must be watching the wrong player because Miles is definitely technically gifted for a player of his size and he is no slouch. Not trying to overhype him but he is far more than just a quick set of fresh legs and has a very high ceiling from what I've seen so far.

    I don't see him dislodging Alf as that's the main man and we have better options out wide so I'd like to see him playing behind Alfie where I'm sure his hold up play will allow it to work. I am not saying he's gonna be Bernardo Silva and start threading passes and turning with ease, just more so if the ball gets to him in that part of the pitch he will hang on to it and bring others into the game. Think more second striker than a 10 then but either way just behind Alf.

    One way or another Appleton will start them both I imagine. Be daft not to. 

    The real competition atm is the wingers, who gets the nod out of the Campbell's. For me it's Tyreece all day, think he's so dangerous when he's running with the ball and like Corey completely fearless
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