Appleton still has credit with me. Squad is struggling with injuries and is full of kids on the bench. Blame us 100% on the Recruitment team than management for me. However, I don’t understand why L Watson can’t get a start in midfield
Jesus Christ, how did he even start with credit, was it because of his big arms?
Why wouldn’t he start with credit?. Not going to be anti him because he wasn’t my first choice. Same reason why any new signings in January will be in credit until they show they clearly aren’t good enough.
In hindsight I wish we had just stuck with Jackson the last 18 months. Don’t think we would have been any better/worse than current showing.
Personally can’t believe any manager would be wanting to play Dan Kanu 90 mins week in week out in L1 football. Appleton doesn’t have a choice, because Tedic is pony and T Campbell is bang out of form on the wing.
I can see absolutely no logic in playing inexperienced youngster Kanu (a centre forward) wide right, when you have another inexperienced youngster Tyrece Campbell who's natural position is wide right. Campbell has regressed terribly in recent weeks, his confidence appears to have been shattered, and that isn't surprising given the way Appleton has messed him around. In fact all the promising youngsters now appear to be going backwards. Campbell, Assimway, Anderson, even Leaburn before his injury.
Have not seen Campbell control a ball while running. If he is the best of the Academy then thats needs a shake up too. Not even pub league standard.
I'm not one for chopping and changing managers but really does feel like Appleton was just the wrong man for it.
Meant to develop youngsters, but they've all got worse under him - every single one of them.
Meant to be good defensively but we can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives.
Meant to be a tactical coach but we don't seem to have any tactic other than hoping CBT can magic a chance up. His Plan B us lumping it forward to an isolated 5'7 striker.
When Leaburn and Aneke got injured I said that it would be interesting to see how Appleton does with the limited options that Holden had for the dismal start. Not looking like an improvement so far.
It was going well when he first came in, yes we had Aneke and Leaburn and they are a big miss, but, for whatever reason Appleton just completely abandoned the approach that was working well once they were out and scott Fraudster was fit.
All he had to do (imo) was start Tedic up top, C. Campbell right, keep May in the 10 role and Watson alongside Dobson. Sub on Assimwe and T. Campbell for the second half right sided injection and Kanu and Fraser on as needed. Same shape, similar players, same approach.
But, no, just decided to chuck Fraser straight back in and flip a coin as to where to play May each game, show up T. Campbell's inexperience by starting too much and sweep Chem and Watson to one side.
We have bigger problems than Appleton of course, but I'm pretty confident he's not the future even under a more stable footing so why waste around giving him time and try and find the next person.
If the yard stick for Holden was not maintaining play off form then Appleton should be right under it.
Seemingly bombing players out of squads for 8 games then starting them in an unfavored position for next 4 shows where we are with him. Seems that to show some level of discipline he needs to have a player completely outed (usually a loan player). Tedic is bang average but if you’re smash the ball up the pitch for the majority of the game you’re better him than May.
Not sure Scott will cling to him, doubt any investor is looking at this with any degree of comfort - suspect he’ll make him the fall and he will go.
We can complain about the running of the club but don’t think Appleton can point fingers when he’s gets the boot.
Given how they have played recently, I feel like MA has all but lost the dressing room already. Majority of this team will be here for the rest of the season and I struggle to see how things will change between now and the summer.
Either they aren't listening to him, don't care or both.
Apples out. We are nowhere near a promotion team but he should be beating the likes of Orient and Gillingham. He will never connect with fans to galvanise us. God forbid he has any input into the window.
Two managers appointed by this crowd and don't tell me they had no say in Holden being appointed. Doing well so far for new management, might even get us promoted from League 2 in the future 😠
And therein lies the problem. Not forgetting the root of our problems over in Belgium.
Today a Blackpool fan and a Lincoln fan replied to my tweet about how Apples left it to 75 mins when it clearly wasn't working. They said it sounded very familiar. So these obviously aren't new issues for MA. He can't set up a team and he doesn't change it when it's not working.
We've sacked managers too soon before but maybe this one was never right in the first place.
I can't stand him. I've never felt so hostile towards a manager from the moment they took the job. I read enough about him from reasonable football fans, watched his sides and looked at his record to know he was a dogshit appointment.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we may as well have stuck with Jacko, we have been shit anyway and we could have given a player who's given so much to us, a platform to build his managerial career.
The next manager has to have a proven track record or be affiliated with Charlton, nothing else will work.
Today a Blackpool fan and a Lincoln fan replied to my tweet about how Apples left it to 75 mins when it clearly wasn't working. They said it sounded very familiar. So these obviously aren't new issues for MA. He can't set up a team and he doesn't change it when it's not working.
We've sacked managers too soon before but maybe this one was never right in the first place.
Had similar when he was appointed from Lincoln and Blackpool fans about how from the outside it didn't seem like a good fit given our squad and how Appleton was never really a manager to make subs.
It also came up quite prominently that he has never been a manager to build a connection with the fans.
Appleton still has credit with me. Squad is struggling with injuries and is full of kids on the bench. Blame us 100% on the Recruitment team than management for me. However, I don’t understand why L Watson can’t get a start in midfield
Jesus Christ, how did he even start with credit, was it because of his big arms?
Why wouldn’t he start with credit?. Not going to be anti him because he wasn’t my first choice. Same reason why any new signings in January will be in credit until they show they clearly aren’t good enough.
In hindsight I wish we had just stuck with Jackson the last 18 months. Don’t think we would have been any better/worse than current showing.
Personally can’t believe any manager would be wanting to play Dan Kanu 90 mins week in week out in L1 football. Appleton doesn’t have a choice, because Tedic is pony and T Campbell is bang out of form on the wing.
He doesn’t have to play Kanu. This team would be better if he wants to stick to 433 (puts Fraser & Chem in their right positions)
AMB T.Watson Hector Jones Edun L.Watson Dobson Fraser C.Campbell May CBT
Tyreece or Chem are much better right wing options than Kanu & I personally would also consider swapping Tennai with Asiimwe based on recent form.
I’m not a big Micky Apples fan, but sacking him would be just papering over the cracks.
We need to push the boat out on good signings, if we are going to ever get out of this division, and stay out of league one, not buy players that really aren’t good enough (attitude and ability) for where we want to go.
Appleton still has credit with me. Squad is struggling with injuries and is full of kids on the bench. Blame us 100% on the Recruitment team than management for me. However, I don’t understand why L Watson can’t get a start in midfield
Jesus Christ, how did he even start with credit, was it because of his big arms?
Why wouldn’t he start with credit?. Not going to be anti him because he wasn’t my first choice. Same reason why any new signings in January will be in credit until they show they clearly aren’t good enough.
In hindsight I wish we had just stuck with Jackson the last 18 months. Don’t think we would have been any better/worse than current showing.
Personally can’t believe any manager would be wanting to play Dan Kanu 90 mins week in week out in L1 football. Appleton doesn’t have a choice, because Tedic is pony and T Campbell is bang out of form on the wing.
He doesn’t have to play Kanu. This team would be better if he wants to stick to 433 (puts Fraser & Chem in their right positions)
AMB T.Watson Hector Jones Edun L.Watson Dobson Fraser C.Campbell May CBT
Tyreece or Chem are much better right wing options than Kanu & I personally would also consider swapping Tennai with Asiimwe based on recent form.
If we are continuing with this shit system then I’d at least put May back in the position he scored goals in
AMB Watson Hector Jones Edun Watson Dobson Chem May CBT Kanu
but what we should actually be doing is putting May in his best position that he scored 40odd goals in at Cheltenham and building around that
AMB Jones Hector Thomas
Watson Edun Watson Dobson Fraser
Kanu May
Add a new CB, CM and ST into that team and I think it’s an 11 that does reasonably well at this level. Appletons system probably needs a lot more surgery, especially with CBT (who papers over a lot of Appleton’s systems cracks) leaving now/summer
Minority here, but I can see what he wants us to do, we have an identity but not the players capable of pulling it off.
Major surgery needed, but I don’t think getting rid of ANOTHER manager is the answer.
Out of interest what do you see that he wants us to do?
Cause all I saw yesterday was AMB passing to Dobson who was at right side defense from every goal kick and Dobson trying to long ball it or Hector trying to long ball it. We had maybe one decent passage of play in 90 mins. Their keeper barely made a challenging save the whole game.
There is no proof that this guy can do better with better players at his disposal, as he never has achieved at this level, only at League 2 level
Minority here, but I can see what he wants us to do, we have an identity but not the players capable of pulling it off.
Major surgery needed, but I don’t think getting rid of ANOTHER manager is the answer.
Out of interest what do you think our identity is? Feels like he has mixed it up a bit over last couple of games and I watched yesterday stone cold sober and was baffled by the approach.
I get the 4321 and May out wide drifting in as second striker but yesterday playing him through the middle and limping balls to him high and long was never going to work.
playing Fraser in general doesn’t work but playing him next to Dobson is even worse (in my opinion) and having our only wide option as CBT is limiting us now as teams are doubling up on him and he’s out the game.
No movement in middle of the park from throw ins or from goal kicks meaning we are forced to go long again. Get the players aren’t playing well but what is he trying to get out of them?
I can't stand him. I've never felt so hostile towards a manager from the moment they took the job. I read enough about him from reasonable football fans, watched his sides and looked at his record to know he was a dogshit appointment.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we may as well have stuck with Jacko, we have been shit anyway and we could have given a player who's given so much to us, a platform to build his managerial career.
The next manager has to have a proven track record or be affiliated with Charlton, nothing else will work.
i'm convinced that jacko laid it on the line to sandgaard about what was needed - like chris powell would have done - but he got shown the door and the cheap option, garner came in - wouldn't surprise me if holden did similar and therefore this muppet came in
I was pretty optimistic when we appointed Apples, thought he might get them organised at the back, and with Alfie scoring we might nick a couple of results..(How long ago does the Reading 4-0 seem) But CBT just does the same thing time and time again, to the goaline, and tries too shoot from to tight an angle or decides to lift a cross to empty space where we have no one running in. Frasier taking corners and free kicks that either don't go over the first man or just peter out to passing back to the defence. Alfie being pitched against a 6ft 2" centre back if playing down the middle or a trying to work an opening when playing on the wing against a fast full back. When we loose possession unless Dubbo is nearby we make no attempt to press and win it back.
AMB distribution is shocking! he takes an eternity to make up his mind, IF we had a plan, when players ran into empty space an had AMB deliver the ball when the oppositions attacks broke down. Also AMB is great at anything 20yrds plus, but shoot from inside 12yrds and he is lacking.
We bring 11 players to defend corners, leave Alfie on the half way line with CBT the link player.
The academy boys are great ball players, but thats all they are "ballers", we need flair, workrate and physicality at L1 level.
I think all of the above is fixable, it take a manager and coaching staff who care and who do their homework on the opposition.
I sit in the North Lower and watch the players "warm up" and you can see how lazy they are with some hardly putting in any effort at all. The coaching staff should be all over them reminding them of their responsibilities . The GK coaching has fallen off a cliff!!!
I appreciate they are not his players but if you have a set of mostly average to poor players lacking confidence, then build around our three actual stars(May, CBT & Dobson).
Absolute criminal what Appleton is doing with May recently, especially yesterday, my young nephew watching his first full season of football said it before a ball was kicked that May would get nothing in that position against that style of Orient defence and yet Appleton refuses to accept it.
I can see absolutely no logic in playing inexperienced youngster Kanu (a centre forward) wide right, when you have another inexperienced youngster Tyrece Campbell who's natural position is wide right. Campbell has regressed terribly in recent weeks, his confidence appears to have been shattered, and that isn't surprising given the way Appleton has messed him around. In fact all the promising youngsters now appear to be going backwards. Campbell, Assimway, Anderson, even Leaburn before his injury.
Spot on, QA.
These young guns have clearly shown they have the ability, bravery & potential from their earlier appearances - there's no doubting that IMO.
But something has radically changed in their demeanour & hence, their confidence, which in turn clearly shows in their performances recently.
Surely this downwards trend has to be attributed to the management of the squad & the manner in which they're trained AND alluded to in post match interviews.
As posted last night in anger, I cannot believe that MA has the nous or ability to reverese this situation , which makes the comment when he was appointed that he has a reputation for progressing young players as utter b*llocks.
Hopefully, a " better" manager would be able to reverse the current trend - something I believe the U21s in the squad would unanimously welcome- and ensure those players regained the qualities /confidence that have gradually been eroded.
A new manager with a 3 year contract from January- someone with success in his background including working with up coming young players - would re-energise these lads & at the same time give those with contracts until the summer something to consider regarding their immediate futures. I believe things could only get better- they can't get much worse.
And, more likelihood of attracting "better" players in the window than those who will look at our club under MA & ask, what's there to convince me this would be a decent move ....
OK. Call me naive or indeed foolish.
But give me one reason why a certain ex Charlton man with success under his belt , albeit together with some less than successful posts, shouldn't be approached with a very attractive offer he'd be likely to consider ...and I mean pushing the boat out this time ?
I give you Nathan Jones.
As has been stated ad infinitum over the past few years....
I can't stand him. I've never felt so hostile towards a manager from the moment they took the job. I read enough about him from reasonable football fans, watched his sides and looked at his record to know he was a dogshit appointment.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we may as well have stuck with Jacko, we have been shit anyway and we could have given a player who's given so much to us, a platform to build his managerial career.
The next manager has to have a proven track record or be affiliated with Charlton, nothing else will work.
Make you 100% correct, never wanted Appleton in the first place, mostly sacked from previous clubs, just a mercenary manager/coach waiting for a pay-off. Surely taken on because he was cheap. The most uninspiring manager for many a year. To think some people on here slagged Lee Bowyer off, unbelieveable. Several people at the Orient game said he just stood there hands behind back saying nothing. He has no affinity or affection to our club. Do us all a favour and leave ASAP!
Minority here, but I can see what he wants us to do, we have an identity but not the players capable of pulling it off.
Major surgery needed, but I don’t think getting rid of ANOTHER manager is the answer.
Out of interest what do you think our identity is? Feels like he has mixed it up a bit over last couple of games and I watched yesterday stone cold sober and was baffled by the approach.
I get the 4321 and May out wide drifting in as second striker but yesterday playing him through the middle and limping balls to him high and long was never going to work.
playing Fraser in general doesn’t work but playing him next to Dobson is even worse (in my opinion) and having our only wide option as CBT is limiting us now as teams are doubling up on him and he’s out the game.
No movement in middle of the park from throw ins or from goal kicks meaning we are forced to go long again. Get the players aren’t playing well but what is he trying to get out of them?
He clearly switched it up yesterday and we played very different football than we have done previously under him, I can only put the down to the fact he doesn’t trust this mob to play the way he wants, which he has pretty much alluded too in his post match recently.
He wants to play possession football, going from front to back quickly and on the deck. Anyone that watched the first few games under Holden and then under Appleton can see the stark difference in the type of football we are trying to play.
He doesn’t have the players to execute though, that much is clear and I don’t think a fair few of them are playing for him anymore, likely they know they will be surplus once we can get bodies in.
Appleton is the master of using lots of words to say...nothing...witness all pressers, though some journos ask more challenging questions than others.
He learnt that skill from his boss Andy Scott, that's the real master of using lots of words that mean nothing. Andy Scott is culpable in all of this, his recruitment, his choice of manager. If Appleton was the stand out candidate it shows either Scott is clueless (my hunch) or we're not that attractive to very good managers.
Minority here, but I can see what he wants us to do, we have an identity but not the players capable of pulling it off.
Major surgery needed, but I don’t think getting rid of ANOTHER manager is the answer.
It must be great being a Manager when you know that football fans of today are clueless, "the manager must go, he's been here 15 games and has not won 10 of them".
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Meant to develop youngsters, but they've all got worse under him - every single one of them.
Meant to be good defensively but we can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives.
Meant to be a tactical coach but we don't seem to have any tactic other than hoping CBT can magic a chance up. His Plan B us lumping it forward to an isolated 5'7 striker.
When Leaburn and Aneke got injured I said that it would be interesting to see how Appleton does with the limited options that Holden had for the dismal start. Not looking like an improvement so far.
All he had to do (imo) was start Tedic up top, C. Campbell right, keep May in the 10 role and Watson alongside Dobson. Sub on Assimwe and T. Campbell for the second half right sided injection and Kanu and Fraser on as needed. Same shape, similar players, same approach.
But, no, just decided to chuck Fraser straight back in and flip a coin as to where to play May each game, show up T. Campbell's inexperience by starting too much and sweep Chem and Watson to one side.
Seemingly bombing players out of squads for 8 games then starting them in an unfavored position for next 4 shows where we are with him. Seems that to show some level of discipline he needs to have a player completely outed (usually a loan player). Tedic is bang average but if you’re smash the ball up the pitch for the majority of the game you’re better him than May.
Either they aren't listening to him, don't care or both.
Not forgetting the root of our problems over in Belgium.
We've sacked managers too soon before but maybe this one was never right in the first place.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we may as well have stuck with Jacko, we have been shit anyway and we could have given a player who's given so much to us, a platform to build his managerial career.
The next manager has to have a proven track record or be affiliated with Charlton, nothing else will work.
Had similar when he was appointed from Lincoln and Blackpool fans about how from the outside it didn't seem like a good fit given our squad and how Appleton was never really a manager to make subs.
It also came up quite prominently that he has never been a manager to build a connection with the fans.
AMB
T.Watson Hector Jones Edun
L.Watson Dobson
Fraser
C.Campbell May CBT
Tyreece or Chem are much better right wing options than Kanu & I personally would also consider swapping Tennai with Asiimwe based on recent form.
We need to push the boat out on good signings, if we are going to ever get out of this division, and stay out of league one, not buy players that really aren’t good enough (attitude and ability) for where we want to go.
AMB
Watson Hector Jones Edun
Watson Dobson
Chem May CBT
Kanu
but what we should actually be doing is putting May in his best position that he scored 40odd goals in at Cheltenham and building around that
AMB
Jones Hector Thomas
Watson Dobson Fraser
Cause all I saw yesterday was AMB passing to Dobson who was at right side defense from every goal kick and Dobson trying to long ball it or Hector trying to long ball it. We had maybe one decent passage of play in 90 mins. Their keeper barely made a challenging save the whole game.
There is no proof that this guy can do better with better players at his disposal, as he never has achieved at this level, only at League 2 level
playing Fraser in general doesn’t work but playing him next to Dobson is even worse (in my opinion) and having our only wide option as CBT is limiting us now as teams are doubling up on him and he’s out the game.
No movement in middle of the park from throw ins or from goal kicks meaning we are forced to go long again. Get the players aren’t playing well but what is he trying to get out of them?
Poor results
Low team morale
Questionable teamwork
Fan apathy
But CBT just does the same thing time and time again, to the goaline, and tries too shoot from to tight an angle or decides to lift a cross to empty space where we have no one running in.
Frasier taking corners and free kicks that either don't go over the first man or just peter out to passing back to the defence.
Alfie being pitched against a 6ft 2" centre back if playing down the middle or a trying to work an opening when playing on the wing against a fast full back.
When we loose possession unless Dubbo is nearby we make no attempt to press and win it back.
AMB distribution is shocking! he takes an eternity to make up his mind, IF we had a plan, when players ran into empty space an had AMB deliver the ball when the oppositions attacks broke down.
Also AMB is great at anything 20yrds plus, but shoot from inside 12yrds and he is lacking.
We bring 11 players to defend corners, leave Alfie on the half way line with CBT the link player.
The academy boys are great ball players, but thats all they are "ballers", we need flair, workrate and physicality at L1 level.
I think all of the above is fixable, it take a manager and coaching staff who care and who do their homework on the opposition.
I sit in the North Lower and watch the players "warm up" and you can see how lazy they are with some hardly putting in any effort at all. The coaching staff should be all over them reminding them of their responsibilities . The GK coaching has fallen off a cliff!!!
Absolute criminal what Appleton is doing with May recently, especially yesterday, my young nephew watching his first full season of football said it before a ball was kicked that May would get nothing in that position against that style of Orient defence and yet Appleton refuses to accept it.
These young guns have clearly shown they have the ability, bravery & potential from their earlier appearances - there's no doubting that IMO.
But something has radically changed in their demeanour & hence, their confidence, which in turn clearly shows in their performances recently.
Surely this downwards trend has to be attributed to the management of the squad & the manner in which they're trained AND alluded to in post match interviews.
As posted last night in anger, I cannot believe that MA has the nous or ability to reverese this situation , which makes the comment when he was appointed that he has a reputation for progressing young players as utter b*llocks.
Hopefully, a " better" manager would be able to reverse the current trend - something I believe the U21s in the squad would unanimously welcome- and ensure those players regained the qualities /confidence that have gradually been eroded.
A new manager with a 3 year contract from January- someone with success in his background including working with up coming young players - would re-energise these lads & at the same time give those with contracts until the summer something to consider regarding their immediate futures. I believe things could only get better- they can't get much worse.
And, more likelihood of attracting "better" players in the window than those who will look at our club under MA & ask, what's there to convince me this would be a decent move ....
OK. Call me naive or indeed foolish.
But give me one reason why a certain ex Charlton man with success under his belt , albeit together with some less than successful posts, shouldn't be approached with a very attractive offer he'd be likely to consider ...and I mean pushing the boat out this time ?
I give you Nathan Jones.
As has been stated ad infinitum over the past few years....
He's been gone too long.
He wants to play possession football, going from front to back quickly and on the deck. Anyone that watched the first few games under Holden and then under Appleton can see the stark difference in the type of football we are trying to play.
It must be great being a Manager when you know that football fans of today are clueless, "the manager must go, he's been here 15 games and has not won 10 of them".