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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    edited November 2012
    I wouldn't write him off - he brings quality delivery to the side and goals from midfield which is important. penalties is a different matter though.
  • Just read on the OS that the women's reserve team 'keeper scored from the penalty spot at the weekend.

    Hamer, anyone ?
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,174
    I think it will be changed for the next game!
  • This pic shows JJ as he is about to kick the ball, now if you were the goalie which way would you dive?
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    David Unsworth on BBC London in his summarising had it right. He said when there's a delay in taking a penalty, like when a guy's been sent off controversially, best thing to do is put your foot through it. Delay often works against taker and he can have too much time to think about it, and more often than not sacrifices pace for accuracy by going to base instincts. Keeper also has time to watch the taker in the pre-amble, remember his last couple of kicks etc, etc. Pace of kick is critical apparently - even when it's near the keeper, being too quick for them gives taker a huge advantage. Of course, all this could just be bobbins, but it seemed to make sense to me in the middle of my profanities at 3.16pm last Saturday.

  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Keeper has already commenced his dive to the right in that picture - pushing off with his left foot - so he had already made up his mind which way he was going.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,271
    If Jackson was looking up, he'd have spotted that & put it in the other corner. That's what the class players do.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    edited November 2012

    If Jackson was looking up, he'd have spotted that & put it in the other corner. That's what the class players do.

    The best penalty takers can react to this. I don't think managers work enough on penalties. If I was a manager I'd do this exercise.

    I'd give my players a chance to show what they can do - this doesn't mean them putting the penalty where they want but where I tell them. By doing this I'll see how many different penalties they have in them and how comfortable they are following my instructions. The results of 9 or 10 penalties under these conditions will tell you your best takers. Wish the England managers past or present followed this advice- I know it would work.

    I'd also do penalty drills after the odd game - asking the crowd to help by trying to put the takers off. And accept that sometimes a player can be confident and otehr times not - so that is when you change takers.
  • If Jackson was looking up, he'd have spotted that & put it in the other corner. That's what the class players do.

    Anyone going to see CP at Dartford this week should take their laptop/ipad with them and show him Charlton Life :-0
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,702
    edited November 2012
    do you mean that he doesn't read CL, I'm shocked
  • If Jackson was looking up, he'd have spotted that & put it in the other corner. That's what the class players do.

    The best penalty takers can react to this. I don't think managers work enough on penalties. If I was a manager I'd do this exercise.

    I'd give my players a chance to show what they can do - this doesn't mean them putting the penalty where they want but where I tell them. By doing this I'll see how many different penalties they have in them and how comfortable they are following my instructions. The results of 9 or 10 penalties under these conditions will tell you your best takers. Wish the England managers past or present followed this advice- I know it would work.

    I'd also do penalty drills after the odd game - asking the crowd to help by trying to put the takers off. And accept that sometimes a player can be confident and otehr times not - so that is when you change takers.
    Excellent post. Couldn't agree more. And what a sight that last suggestion would be to see.

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,422
    The problem with this thread is now we've spent lots of time debating and deciding on who should take out next penalty only one thing can happen: we're not going to get another penalty.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 29,017
    Oh ffs, please.

    On facebookmanager I score every mum!
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,397
    I feel as though some are being quite reactionary with this. None of our current team have taken a penalty in a match for us (apart from in shootouts), so not really sure who else would be qualified enough to do it.

    I would keep JJ (taking penalties and keep him in the side).

    Though I do believe Danny Green was a penalty taker for Dagenham, scored at our place once as well.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,057
    I would give it to a striker personally, or Stephens if I could pick any midfielder. Was Wilson not penalty taker at a former club also? JJ should stay in the side and gets first dibs on short-range/direct free-kicks, still the best taker we have if you ask me. That said, three penalties, three misses and none of them you can say he was particularly unlucky rather than poor to the best of my recollection. Still can do a job for the team, its just not the penalty taker!
  • thenewbie said:

    I would give it to a striker personally, or Stephens if I could pick any midfielder. Was Wilson not penalty taker at a former club also? JJ should stay in the side and gets first dibs on short-range/direct free-kicks, still the best taker we have if you ask me. That said, three penalties, three misses and none of them you can say he was particularly unlucky rather than poor to the best of my recollection. Still can do a job for the team, its just not the penalty taker!

    The keepers are better in this division?

  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,057

    thenewbie said:

    I would give it to a striker personally, or Stephens if I could pick any midfielder. Was Wilson not penalty taker at a former club also? JJ should stay in the side and gets first dibs on short-range/direct free-kicks, still the best taker we have if you ask me. That said, three penalties, three misses and none of them you can say he was particularly unlucky rather than poor to the best of my recollection. Still can do a job for the team, its just not the penalty taker!

    The keepers are better in this division?

    Maybe, but I still think the odds would be in the favour of the penalty taker (otherwise what would be the point of giving penalties at all?). Probably most of the top half 'keepers in League One at least would have saved JJ's latest effort with ease and though my memory may be coloured by a particularly poor effort I don't remember any of his misses being due to lightning reflexes/incredible saves by the keeper.

  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    Just pick someone at random from the crowd... Spice things up
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,799
    Yhey should change the rule that the last person (for the attacking team) to touch it, has to take it, unless that player has been injured in the event of the penalty.

    Solly would've banged it home...................
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,872
    dizzee said:

    Just pick someone at random from the crowd... Spice things up

    If you missed, you'd may as well go back into the opposition stand, you'd be more welcome