Addicks reported for abuse of bhafc (prior to last night's fixture)
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What do you mean "make up photos" ? I thought they were real!!!palarsehater said:And what about when clubs sing youre a ground full of spastics and make up photos of someone with obvious learning difficulties driving the "valley express" train do we go to the police make a big deal out of it i dont think the problem will ever go and i know people say ban everyone that sings these sort of chants but that in effect is the majority of the north upper in my opinion, and yes i do sit there myself.
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couldnt agree more thats the problem with this everyones got something to say now about it nothing at the time.cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:We do know how to ruin a good hard fought point
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.0 -
cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:We do know how to ruin a good hard fought point
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
No "outrage" but there was a debate about what was and wasn't acceptable.
Also can't see how songs sung at a game months ago could take away from last night.
Even if it was last night so what? Result great; homophobia bad. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
I think, in part, that is correct.CAFCdamo said:So they describe our homophobic chanting as sporadic and not spreading possibly due to the actions of stewards, it couldn't possibly be due to the moral decency of the majority of our supporters.
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This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...killerandflash said:Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
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it is just a shame that after a great battling display lats night we have to have this discussion.0
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Rizzo said:
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...killerandflash said:Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.0 -
So what is the official Charlton Life stance on " We can see you sneaking out"?Henry Irving said:Rizzo said:
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...killerandflash said:Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
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Agree. You could argue that "does your boyfriend know youre here" isnt directly attacking someone, but I think thats offensive as well.Rizzo said:
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...killerandflash said:Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
There could be some ppl who feel that throwing a banana at a black player isnt as bad as shouting "you black ******". The fact is both are offensive.0 -
Offensive to people that cannot walk. Needs banning.Rizzo said:
So what is the official Charlton Life stance on " We can see you sneaking out"?Henry Irving said:Rizzo said:
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...killerandflash said:Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.0 -
I expect to be slated for this, but why do derogatory chants have to be sung about anyone? I expect there will be the usual cries of 'banter', but wouldn't it be much nicer if everyone sang positive chants, that actually support their team rather than a load of vitriolic abuse?0
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- No-one likes you cos you're scum
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- Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?0 -
Exactly, my rule is "would you shout that at someone on the street", if you wouldnt, its probably because its offensive...ME14addick said:I expect to be slated for this, but why do derogatory chants have to be sung about anyone? I expect there will be the usual cries of 'banter', but wouldn't it be much nicer if everyone sang positive chants, that actually support their team rather than a load of vitriolic abuse?
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No idea as as far as I know there is no "Charlton Life stance" on anything.Rizzo said:
So what is the official Charlton Life stance on " We can see you sneaking out"?Henry Irving said:Rizzo said:
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...killerandflash said:Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
My personal view is that "we can see you sneaking out" proves the point.
We and many others sing it as a negative. Sneaking out/leaving early is seen as bad so we point it out.
In the same way people are saying "we can see you holding hands" as a negative ie you're gay. Otherwise why are people singing it? It's not a statement of fact as no one is actually holding hands so it's only purpose is to abuse. Mild maybe but still homophobic.
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Don't agree with this, Football is all about the in word "banter" between fans which i feel is all part of the attraction of the game and atmosphere. But there is line between banter and abuse.ME14addick said:I expect to be slated for this, but why do derogatory chants have to be sung about anyone? I expect there will be the usual cries of 'banter', but wouldn't it be much nicer if everyone sang positive chants, that actually support their team rather than a load of vitriolic abuse?
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Typical PC leftie over-reaction.cafctom said:- No-one likes you cos you're scum
- The Jeremy Kyle song
- The referee is a wanker
- Build a bonfire
- Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
All perfectly acceptable IMHO as none are homophobic or racist. The last one might be regionalist but that is all.
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Someone pointed it out on another thread. Everyday a school day.iainment said:
Stonewall, how apt.stonewallpenalty said:Charlton life: football forum/Leading gay rights campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots0 -
palarsehater said:
couldnt agree more thats the problem with this everyones got something to say now about it nothing at the time.cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:We do know how to ruin a good hard fought point
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
Sheep sheep shaggerscafctom said:- No-one likes you cos you're scum
- The Jeremy Kyle song
- The referee is a wanker
- Build a bonfire
- Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
You fat bastard
Old man, old man
Palarse
Simon Jordan is a wanker
We pay your benefit
What's it like to have no job?
What's it like to live near Wales?
Same old **** always cheating
There's aren't many chants left if you remove all those that could offend someone...0 -
Ah, so wanting to burn an entire set of football fans to death is okay but suggesting they hold hands is totally unacceptable? Just so I know where our moral compass is pointing.Henry Irving said:
Typical PC leftie over-reaction.cafctom said:- No-one likes you cos you're scum
- The Jeremy Kyle song
- The referee is a wanker
- Build a bonfire
- Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
All perfectly acceptable IMHO as none are homophobic or racist. The last one might be regionalist but that is all.
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I wonder if we will see the jimmy saville song come out on saturday after all he was a leeds fan.0
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Hope not find the song boring and done to death.palarsehater said:I wonder if we will see the jimmy saville song come out on saturday after all he was a leeds fan.
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Will always split people these things because there is always a huge degree of hypocracy in what people individually see as acceptable or funny.
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.
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100% agree.AFKABartram said:Will always split people these things because there is always a huge degree of hypocracy in what people individually see as acceptable or funny.
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.0 -
No Sizeistbuckshee said:If a player or a supporter is overweight is it now not allowed to sing "you fat bastard" at them?
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You're totally missing the point.killerandflash said:palarsehater said:
couldnt agree more thats the problem with this everyones got something to say now about it nothing at the time.cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:We do know how to ruin a good hard fought point
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
Sheep sheep shaggerscafctom said:- No-one likes you cos you're scum
- The Jeremy Kyle song
- The referee is a wanker
- Build a bonfire
- Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
You fat bastard
Old man, old man
Palarse
Simon Jordan is a wanker
We pay your benefit
What's it like to have no job?
What's it like to live near Wales?
Same old **** always cheating
There's aren't many chants left if you remove all those that could offend someone...
It's not about offending possibly someone
The songs are meant to "offend" someone. IF IF IF it is a fat or old player then that is who it is pointed at not all fat or old people. It's OK. It is not going to make old or fat people feel uncomfortable or need explaining to your children
If, on the other hand you are abusing a whole racial group with monkey noise or a whole social group with homophobic chants then it is just abuse.
No one has said we can't sing anything or never ever swear or never again make fun of rival fans yet every time these tired old line comes out "
"we won't be able to sing XYZ" NO ONE HAS SAID THAT.
Next it will be "post-96" or "go to the opera, then"
Sing loud, sing a lot, be witty. Just don't be racist or homophobic.
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Does your boyfriend know you’re
here?”
““Have you ever shagged a girl?”
“We can see you holding hands”
Whats wrong with these, two are purely asking questions and the other a observation.
Harmless ;-)
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Been struggling to express my views on this, but AFKA has it right - I think that there is a fine line between political correctness & sterility. If you want to watch a sport where there is no passion/humour from the stands but with a little bit of happy clappy every now & again - spend some time here in North America, it's awful. If the price to pay for a bit of atmosphere is some occasional "banter" - I'd take it & I am not ashamed to be largely politically correct.AFKABartram said:Will always split people these things because there is always a huge degree of hypocracy in what people individually see as acceptable or funny.
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.0 -
Rhetorical questions though, are they not? : - )leftbehind said:Does your boyfriend know you’re
here?”
““Have you ever shagged a girl?”
“We can see you holding hands”
Whats wrong with these, two are purely asking questions and the other a observation.
Harmless ;-)0 -
On the report it clearly says that charlton sang we can see you holding hands
Now if you find that offensive then do not got to football
Surely singing about building a fire and putting people on the top and bottom is more offensive
But i deem both nothing other than banter
Some people need to let go of hands and get a flipping grip on something else like real life0
