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Police close ranks and refuse to discuss Millwall fall out

castrust
castrust Posts: 537
in General Charlton
Recent attempts by CAS Trust to engage with Police in particular with reference to review of the actions taken during the recent Millwall visit to SE7, have ended in a response indicating that the police representative is unable to attend such a meeting. A curious use of the English language perhaps unwilling, or told not to, or under pressure from above are more appropriate descriptions. This is despite a previous offer of a meeting to discuss policing, and is thought to be due to involvement by New Scotland Yard in the operation.

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  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Did "we" get a response to the FOI request ?
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    due April 17th I believe
  • Plaaayer
    Plaaayer Posts: 9,010
    I await NLAs statement on the matter.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Fecking knew it would be you
  • Plaaayer
    Plaaayer Posts: 9,010
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  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,657
    edited April 2013
    <blockquote class="Quote" rel="PL54">Did "we" get a response to the FOI request ?</blockquot>
    .
  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
    I'm amazed that you're all surprised by this, did you learn nothing from Hillsborough? They will not willingly engage with us because it may cause them to do or say something we can use to hold them or others in the group responsible for their actions. We are just an inconvenience, not a set of people whom they serve, it's intragroup dynamics.
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    who said anyone was surprised? We don't have to accept the status quo however, that is part of what Trust style fan representation is about, and the more fans sign up to Trusts that stand up and say no more, the more it is likely we can change things.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,477
    Keep on to the Fans Forum and in particular the Safety Advisory Group as the police have to attend the latter.

    Still not heard from the Palace supervisor BTW. Maybe he's still on holiday.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,271
    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.

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  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,657
    edited April 2013
    <blockquote class="Quote" rel="PragueAddick">Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply <a href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/charlton_vs_millwall_16313#incoming-369873">here at this excellent website</a>. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.
    </blockquote>

    Just a thought on this, there's likely to be reference to other meetings in these minutes, and presumably each one has to be requested seperately.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,271
    man_at_milletts said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.


    Just a thought on this, there's likely to be reference to other meetings in these minutes, and presumably each one has to be requested seperately.
    It does not have to be requested separately, not at all. I have asked for "any and all documentation" relating to the decision, and it is absolutely within my right to get them. ( I know a bit about FOI, we have launched the same website system here in CZ.) I do expect that they will try to avoid replying correctly and that I will have to submit a follow up question. Or someone else can.


  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
    PragueAddick said:

    man_at_milletts said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.


    Just a thought on this, there's likely to be reference to other meetings in these minutes, and presumably each one has to be requested seperately.
    It does not have to be requested separately, not at all. I have asked for "any and all documentation" relating to the decision, and it is absolutely within my right to get them. ( I know a bit about FOI, we have launched the same website system here in CZ.) I do expect that they will try to avoid replying correctly and that I will have to submit a follow up question. Or someone else can.


    IMO A much more effective way of getting plod to answer for themselves, it is after all legislated. A orchestrated selection of requests would tie them up in knots, they'd soon think twice about their decisions if that were done. The point is, to answer such requests takes time, money and effort (much more than you'd realise) and they have to be answered. Fans groups can be and are ignored.
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    indeed two pronged approach, good input tho
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,276
    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.



    What happens if they don't reply by the 17th?
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,260
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.



    What happens if they don't reply by the 17th?
    We put up the barricades, form a civil guard, issue a manifesto and hold a series of lively meetings, before all being gunned down by the military.
  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.



    What happens if they don't reply by the 17th?
    We call in the military and ask them loads of questions afterwards.
  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
    Uboat said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.



    What happens if they don't reply by the 17th?
    We put up the barricades, form a civil guard, issue a manifesto and hold a series of lively meetings, before all being gunned down by the military.
    oops you beat me to it
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,271
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Regarding the FOI request which a couple of people have mentioned above, you can read the request and track their reply here at this excellent website. As Razil says, they are supposed to reply by April 17. It is easy to make a FOI request using this website, and it might be worth others doing so, if it takes a different tack to mine, or if someone wants to follow up when they answer mine. We just have to make sure that we request information rather than demand an explanation or make a complaint. But of course people can make a more effective complaint once they have received information.





    What happens if they don't reply by the 17th?
    The website invites you to send them a reminder, which of course I will do.

  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    The Police understand the power of "no comment" better than most.

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  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
    Cardinal Sin said:

    The Police understand the power of "no comment" better than most.

    That they may, however they are obliged to comment by law whereas their interviewees are not.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    The police are rushed off their feet at the minute reading Twitter & Facebook accounts so they catch nasty people saying naughty things about minority groups so lets cut the old bill some slack here.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,339
    eaststandmike said:

    The police are rushed off their feet at the minute reading Twitter & Facebook accounts so they catch nasty people saying naughty things about minority groups so lets cut the old bill some slack here.

    Or threatening to chuck eggs at Cameron...

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