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New Valley Memorial Facility Announced

Henry Irving
Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
in General Charlton
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20130709-valley-memorial-facility-announced-904223.aspx

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  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,949
    Nice idea
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,195
    Does it commemorate all the careers that have died at the Valley ?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,676
    Yes a nice idea. Not that it matters but I wonder whose idea it was.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,075
    Why just those with a military connection?
    Why not have something for anyone connected to Charlton however they passed away?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    iainment said:

    Why just those with a military connection?
    Why not have something for anyone connected to Charlton however they passed away?

    It's not just for those with a military connection, anyone connected to Charlton can be included in the memorial book.

    But there is also a plaque commemorating the four members of the Club who fell in the First World War
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,272
    iainment said:

    Why just those with a military connection?

    You can buy a brick to remember a lost one. That's already catered for.

  • SE10Addick
    SE10Addick Posts: 2,973
    cact.org.uk/get-involved/memorial-at-the-valley
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Some great work done by SE7toSG3 (amongst others) in getting this moving.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,162
    Henry Irving said:

    iainment said:

    Why just those with a military connection?
    Why not have something for anyone connected to Charlton however they passed away?

    It's not just for those with a military connection, anyone connected to Charlton can be included in the memorial book.

    But there is also a plaque commemorating the four members of the Club who fell in the First World War
    Actually Henry, the story on the OS says that the book IS only for those with a military connection. It states that the book is for anyone with a connection to Charlton who has been "killed in action".

    As B says though, non-military linked fans have the option of the commemorative bricks which can be for living or deceased fans.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    edited July 2013
    TelMc32 said:

    Henry Irving said:

    iainment said:

    Why just those with a military connection?
    Why not have something for anyone connected to Charlton however they passed away?

    It's not just for those with a military connection, anyone connected to Charlton can be included in the memorial book.

    But there is also a plaque commemorating the four members of the Club who fell in the First World War
    Actually Henry, the story on the OS says that the book IS only for those with a military connection. It states that the book is for anyone with a connection to Charlton who has been "killed in action".

    As B says though, non-military linked fans have the option of the commemorative bricks which can be for living or deceased fans.
    I'm not reading it like that and I'm pretty sure that that isn't the case.

    "The memorial facility will house a book of remembrance as well as a Portland stone memorial to recognise those connected with the club who have been killed in action"

    Maybe it needs to be re-worded to clarify but they are two separate memorials

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    edited July 2013
    double post
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,743
    I read the same way as Henry
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    Addickted said:

    Some great work done by SE7toSG3 (amongst others) in getting this moving.


    Agree although he'll be too modest to accept the praise he deserves.
  • bc_addick
    bc_addick Posts: 761
    I found it a bit confusing - So if I wanted my late Dad included he can be even though he had no direct connection other than being a CAFC fan.? He is up in the memorial garden at the Valley and it would be nice to add this as well. Well done to those that are arranging it.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,162
    Henry Irving said:

    TelMc32 said:

    Henry Irving said:

    iainment said:

    Why just those with a military connection?
    Why not have something for anyone connected to Charlton however they passed away?

    It's not just for those with a military connection, anyone connected to Charlton can be included in the memorial book.

    But there is also a plaque commemorating the four members of the Club who fell in the First World War
    Actually Henry, the story on the OS says that the book IS only for those with a military connection. It states that the book is for anyone with a connection to Charlton who has been "killed in action".

    As B says though, non-military linked fans have the option of the commemorative bricks which can be for living or deceased fans.
    I'm not reading it like that and I'm pretty sure that that isn't the case.

    "The memorial facility will house a book of remembrance as well as a Portland stone memorial to recognise those connected with the club who have been killed in action"

    Maybe it needs to be re-worded to clarify but they are two separate memorials
    OK. Just read it again and now can read it as you say. There are actually three strands to the memorial:

    - a book of remembrance : open to everyone
    - a Portland stone memorial : for those, connected with the club, killed in action
    - a plaque to honour past players

    Could be clearer, but a really good thing to do and thanks to those like SE7toSG3 involved.
  • SE7toSG3
    SE7toSG3 Posts: 3,140
    edited July 2013
    This was welcome news when I found out today, I can only speak from the war memorial perspective but can pre-empt a couple of possible questions.

    I - the war memorial has been provided at no cost to the club so is not in leiu of a striker, pot hole filling or wifi installation.

    2 - the wording on the memorial makes it clear that it relates to both armed services and civilians from all wars with connections to the club, both players and officials.

    3 - the stone and its carving are of the best quality available and as such make for a fitting memorial for our club and its sacrifices in conflict

    4 - by choosing stone we minimised the potential for theft and by being placed inside a new building minimised the potential for vandelism whilst enabling access to us the supporters.

    I and others believe that a war memorial is long overdue and was planned when Sir Ion Hamilton Benn set about relaunching the club in 1918, perhaps the move to the Valley in 1919 overtook any plans, we may never know.

    So far we have positively identified 2 from 4 of the clubs playing staff that lost their lives in the Great War, the search remains of for the final two and when we do find them perhaps a smaller plaque naming them may be a possibility, for now however the memorial will commemorate addicks players, officials and supporters who lost their lives in the defence of their country and will complement a supporters memorial book for anyone close to them who has passed away in a new building located behind the safe hands of our Sam who's father served and was decorated for bravery on the Somme.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    One of the four mentioned by SG3 was Fred Chick

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  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051
    edited July 2013
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  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,292
    John Mackenzie

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