The Porcupine (Mottingham) vrs Lidl
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Really ? You must tell us about it sometime.
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Remember the menagerie the old governor had out there, goats the lot.Sparrows Lane Lion said:Sounds the pub could do with a new lease of life rather than shut & demolished, make it over 25's, decent grub, no sport on tv etc.
Fantastic beer garden in the summer would be good for local families etc.0 -
Either a very slow drinker, or a Porky Piar? My money, like yours, firmly on the latter.Curb_It said:Witnessed the other bloke purchase round after round but then says he left after one drink. Load of old rubbish.
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Remember the menagerie the old governor had out there, goats the lot.Sparrows Lane Lion said:Sounds the pub could do with a new lease of life rather than shut & demolished, make it over 25's, decent grub, no sport on tv etc.
Fantastic beer garden in the summer would be good for local families etc.
I think that was the over 30's singles night.0 -
Porcupine was always full of Mottinghams "finest", then again what pub wasn't round there? Have not been for 20 years so doubt it got better in the interim.
It must be akin to putting your money into a football club nowadays, running a pub.0 -
This brought back memories of my late dear old gramps . Monday to saturday he would always go to the old liberal club ( in the Woolwich rd ) but on sundays it was always the sun in the sands or the bugle in Charlton village .Viewfinder said:
Half of the Sun in the Sands has gone, Big Rob! The right-hand side was walled off and converted to an Italian restaurant a couple of years ago; that soon went tits-up and is now a greasy spoon: Roy's Café. The left hand-side soldiered on as a pub, but I believe that is now closed, or at least up for sale.BIG_ROB said:
Yeah, some of the brewery owned boozers that I've drank in in the past have brought in a "trouble shooter" manager to turn them around. Remember some rugby loving Aussie/Kiwi/South African taking over the Sun In The Sands just before a major international footballing tornament (I can't remember which, maybe Euro 96?) and he made it into a "football free zone". That backfired spectacularly and went the other way. Another land mark boozer gone to the dogs, unless changed in the last 2 years since I last drove past it...?Viewfinder said:Failing pubs can be revived; if they are closed and converted they are gone for ever. The Copperfield, a mock-Tudor pile at Catford Bridge, descended into a right old dive and was regularly raided by the Old Bill. Yet a small chain named Antic took it over, changed the name, redesigned the interior, and introduced a good range of real ales - and now the pub is winning awards.
The British Oak, about 100 yards away in the Old Dover Road, seems to be thriving, with decent beers and regular live music.0 -
That bay window struck me too - more like a Thames-side building at Greenwich or Gravesend, though the Plume probably had fine views down to the river when it was built. What's the pub like inside? I shall look up the estimable Mr Batt....Oggy Red said:
Beautiful old building, must be around 300 years old. A real period piece - love that big old Georgian half-round bay window.TelMc32 said:The Plume was all boarded up when I went past a few weeks ago. Is it open again?
Harks back to the days when Plumstead was a "Rising Village With An Air Not To Be Equalled", as described by Mr H Batt an important resident in the early 19th century.
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It's always sad, especially if you've fond memories, when pubs shut down or change style. I still can't believe The Fox Under The Hill is now a Hungry Horse, but I guess change is inevitable.
There's a house near me called "Rous Cottage" which used to be "The Admiral Rous Inn". I believe it shut down in the early 1900s. Mind you, it probably didn't help trade that the landlord was hanged for murdering his wife!
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The Porcupine is at the end of my road, only ventured in there twice. Both times it was horrific to be honest. However, i'm not too keen about having a Lidl in it's place, I really don't think its needed or wanted.0
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The Sun in the Sands was unusual because back in the days it was a Younger's tied house (Scotch, IPA and No. 3 on handpump): rare in south-east London. Does anyone here remember the Dover Patrol, a Courage pub on Rochester Way? I have a vague memory of going there once in the 1970s; apparently it had some good art deco fittings - before it was demolished for the new road.fossdeneboy said:
This brought back memories of my late dear old gramps . Monday to saturday he would always go to the old liberal club ( in the Woolwich rd ) but on sundays it was always the sun in the sands or the bugle in Charlton village .Viewfinder said:
Half of the Sun in the Sands has gone, Big Rob! The right-hand side was walled off and converted to an Italian restaurant a couple of years ago; that soon went tits-up and is now a greasy spoon: Roy's Café. The left hand-side soldiered on as a pub, but I believe that is now closed, or at least up for sale.BIG_ROB said:
Yeah, some of the brewery owned boozers that I've drank in in the past have brought in a "trouble shooter" manager to turn them around. Remember some rugby loving Aussie/Kiwi/South African taking over the Sun In The Sands just before a major international footballing tornament (I can't remember which, maybe Euro 96?) and he made it into a "football free zone". That backfired spectacularly and went the other way. Another land mark boozer gone to the dogs, unless changed in the last 2 years since I last drove past it...?Viewfinder said:Failing pubs can be revived; if they are closed and converted they are gone for ever. The Copperfield, a mock-Tudor pile at Catford Bridge, descended into a right old dive and was regularly raided by the Old Bill. Yet a small chain named Antic took it over, changed the name, redesigned the interior, and introduced a good range of real ales - and now the pub is winning awards.
The British Oak, about 100 yards away in the Old Dover Road, seems to be thriving, with decent beers and regular live music.
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Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle up the road that leads along the side of the pub. Noticed there are various outbuildings at the back. Antic might do a good job with the renovation.0
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Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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Who is she?Miserableoldgit said:
Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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Remember the Patrol well. Favorite uncle on my mums side was a regular. Pubs like that in London are a fond memory.Viewfinder said:
The Sun in the Sands was unusual because back in the days it was a Younger's tied house (Scotch, IPA and No. 3 on handpump): rare in south-east London. Does anyone here remember the Dover Patrol, a Courage pub on Rochester Way? I have a vague memory of going there once in the 1970s; apparently it had some good art deco fittings - before it was demolished for the new road.fossdeneboy said:
This brought back memories of my late dear old gramps . Monday to saturday he would always go to the old liberal club ( in the Woolwich rd ) but on sundays it was always the sun in the sands or the bugle in Charlton village .Viewfinder said:
Half of the Sun in the Sands has gone, Big Rob! The right-hand side was walled off and converted to an Italian restaurant a couple of years ago; that soon went tits-up and is now a greasy spoon: Roy's Café. The left hand-side soldiered on as a pub, but I believe that is now closed, or at least up for sale.BIG_ROB said:
Yeah, some of the brewery owned boozers that I've drank in in the past have brought in a "trouble shooter" manager to turn them around. Remember some rugby loving Aussie/Kiwi/South African taking over the Sun In The Sands just before a major international footballing tornament (I can't remember which, maybe Euro 96?) and he made it into a "football free zone". That backfired spectacularly and went the other way. Another land mark boozer gone to the dogs, unless changed in the last 2 years since I last drove past it...?Viewfinder said:Failing pubs can be revived; if they are closed and converted they are gone for ever. The Copperfield, a mock-Tudor pile at Catford Bridge, descended into a right old dive and was regularly raided by the Old Bill. Yet a small chain named Antic took it over, changed the name, redesigned the interior, and introduced a good range of real ales - and now the pub is winning awards.
The British Oak, about 100 yards away in the Old Dover Road, seems to be thriving, with decent beers and regular live music.0 -
Google.Viewfinder said:
Who is she?Miserableoldgit said:
Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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I had a shop up there!Miserableoldgit said:Baring Hall, Grove Park, today.
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She use to come in me shop for her 10 Sovereign, but me being the law abiding Man In The Corner Shop (There's a song there somewhere!) refused to serve her, so another Charlton lad who was mates with her sister would buy them. I think @Nolly might've known them an all???Miserableoldgit said:
Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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No, just opposite, next to the station. Called Swammi News now likeMiserableoldgit said:What, in the pub ?
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Them houses to the right of The Oak, looking at the boozer from by the nursery, use to be a mother and baby clinic and I'd get weighed in there as a knipper. Next time any of you are walking past there, think of old BIG ROB from Charlton Lifecafcfan said:It's always sad, especially if you've fond memories, when pubs shut down or change style. I still can't believe The Fox Under The Hill is now a Hungry Horse, but I guess change is inevitable.
There's a house near me called "Rous Cottage" which used to be "The Admiral Rous Inn". I believe it shut down in the early 1900s. Mind you, it probably didn't help trade that the landlord was hanged for murdering his wife!0 -
When you say Nolly might have known them, do you mean Keeley Hazell's attributes?BIG_ROB said:
She use to come in me shop for her 10 Sovereign, but me being the law abiding Man In The Corner Shop (There's a song there somewhere!) refused to serve her, so another Charlton lad who was mates with her sister would buy them. I think @Nolly might've known them an all???Miserableoldgit said:
Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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so, what you up to now ?BIG_ROB said:
No, just opposite, next to the station. Called Swammi News now likeMiserableoldgit said:What, in the pub ?
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Ah, so you googled her eh ?Viewfinder said:
When you say Nolly might have known them, do you mean Keeley Hazell's attributes?BIG_ROB said:
She use to come in me shop for her 10 Sovereign, but me being the law abiding Man In The Corner Shop (There's a song there somewhere!) refused to serve her, so another Charlton lad who was mates with her sister would buy them. I think @Nolly might've known them an all???Miserableoldgit said:
Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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Living in France pal, just had a kidney transplantMiserableoldgit said:
so, what you up to now ?BIG_ROB said:
No, just opposite, next to the station. Called Swammi News now likeMiserableoldgit said:What, in the pub ?
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Really ?
Did you know I used to be a drummer ?0 -
And watch it you, or I'll send AUN over !0
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Correct! Did I hear you say that Big Rob lives in France and has had a kidney transplant...?Miserableoldgit said:
Ah, so you googled her eh ?Viewfinder said:
When you say Nolly might have known them, do you mean Keeley Hazell's attributes?BIG_ROB said:
She use to come in me shop for her 10 Sovereign, but me being the law abiding Man In The Corner Shop (There's a song there somewhere!) refused to serve her, so another Charlton lad who was mates with her sister would buy them. I think @Nolly might've known them an all???Miserableoldgit said:
Doesn't Keeley Hazell live near there ?DaveMehmet said:
Don't blame youViewfinder said:Well done, MOG. I had time to kill in Grove Park a few months back, and had a shuffle
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Get out 'o' town, next you'll be saying you're a floor layer!Miserableoldgit said:Really ?
Did you know I used to be a drummer ?0