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remember Agincourt !

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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    and of course the genesis of the Churchillian V sign .. the fingers which pulled the strings on the bows, arrows from which destroyed the French armies more than once
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited October 2013
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    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited October 2013
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  • red_murph
    red_murph Posts: 2,460
    Wheresmeticket? said:

    Lincsaddick said:

    and of course the genesis of the Churchillian V sign .. the fingers which pulled the strings on the bows, arrows from which destroyed the French armies more than once

    Queue 5 pages of argument and counter argument re: the veracity of this...;0) ending in the throwing of insults and enourmous cut n paste quotes from discredited historians, finally ending in the assertion that someone, somewhere is a nazi.
    I have a mate who studied this loads and said it was a myth. That's all I have to say :)
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    I'd deleted my comment as being too cynical and not in keeping with the tone of the original post! ;0)
  • maybe_baby
    maybe_baby Posts: 2,609
    edited October 2013
    20 years ago, a very well educated French friend of mine watched a TV documentary on Agincourt, but thought it was fiction, as at the time of her secondary education this particular battle was not included in the schools history books.

    Bad losers or what?
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,596
    History is written by the victors.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Lincsaddick said:

    and of course the genesis of the Churchillian V sign .. the fingers which pulled the strings on the bows, arrows from which destroyed the French armies more than once

    Definitely an urban myth, but still a great event.
    Did you know a quarter of our troops were Welsh?
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    maybe_baby said:

    20 years ago, a very well educated French friend of mine watched a TV documentary on Agincourt, but thought it was fiction, as at the time of her secondary education this particular battle was not included in the schools history books.

    Bad losers or what?

    If the French omit a battle/war everytime it ends in their defeat French history books must be pretty thin !
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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    se9addick said:

    maybe_baby said:

    20 years ago, a very well educated French friend of mine watched a TV documentary on Agincourt, but thought it was fiction, as at the time of her secondary education this particular battle was not included in the schools history books.

    Bad losers or what?

    If the French omit a battle/war everytime it ends in their defeat French history books must be pretty thin !
    Napoleon gave them plenty to read about.......until he got his comeuppance :-)
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    Uboat said:

    Lincsaddick said:

    and of course the genesis of the Churchillian V sign .. the fingers which pulled the strings on the bows, arrows from which destroyed the French armies more than once

    Definitely an urban myth, but still a great event.
    Did you know a quarter of our troops were Welsh?
    And presumably half were Scots as per the norm?
  • Steve Dowman
    Steve Dowman Posts: 2,406
    no, they were our enemies then and a separate country.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited October 2013
    In History we used to read about the 'Auld Alliance' between Scotland and France. Not sure of dates or if it was something that ebbed and flowed.
    Agincourt was a lot about weaponry and the longbow I believe.
    The Olivier Henry V has an impressive bit when the arrows fly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU-BwhZFoDg
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Also the weather played a part, I believe. The battlefield was something akin to the pitch for Doncaster game and we adapted best (unlike the Doncaster game).
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Uboat said:

    Also the weather played a part, I believe. The battlefield was something akin to the pitch for Doncaster game and we adapted best (unlike the Doncaster game).

    Well we did have a Frenchman in our team !
  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,689
    Funnily enough I'm doing a history course and have just covered this period. Both England and France have used this part of history to suit their own ends, for example we never learn much about the Siege of Orleans. And as the old saying goes, England may have won the battle, but lost the war.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
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  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,845
    History's a lie that they teach you in school
    A fraudulent view called the golden rule
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    edited October 2013
    If people havent read it already then Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell is a great Historical-Fiction read on the Battle / siege of Harfleur

    Visited the battlefield a good 5/6 years ago now, really interesting place
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  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,786
    ForeverAddickted said:

    If people havent read it already then Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell is a great Historical-Fiction read on the Battle / siege of Harfleur

    Visited the battlefield a good 5/6 years ago now, really interesting place

    I've read it. Great book.
  • creepyaddick
    creepyaddick Posts: 6,152
    seth plum said:

    In History we used to read about the 'Auld Alliance' between Scotland and France. Not sure of dates or if it was something that ebbed and flowed.
    Agincourt was a lot about weaponry and the longbow I believe.
    The Olivier Henry V has an impressive bit when the arrows fly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU-BwhZFoDg

    look at 1.55 when they're all retreating into the woods, one of the bowmen looks like he throws the arrow instead of using the bow!
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    creepyaddick said:

    seth plum said:

    In History we used to read about the 'Auld Alliance' between Scotland and France. Not sure of dates or if it was something that ebbed and flowed.
    Agincourt was a lot about weaponry and the longbow I believe.
    The Olivier Henry V has an impressive bit when the arrows fly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU-BwhZFoDg

    look at 1.55 when they're all retreating into the woods, one of the bowmen looks like he throws the arrow instead of using the bow!
    lol! that is a terrible shot... Used to do better than that with my toy bow
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    A famous film made on a shoestring in 1944 I believe. William Walton doing the music, filmed in Ireland.
    There is the famous story of Olivier (Star and Director) asking a very doubtful Irish extra to jump from a tree onto a Knight riding by and take him off his horse. The Irishman said 'Sure, will ye just show me how it's done first sorr?'
  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
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  • redsek
    redsek Posts: 656
    seth plum said:

    A famous film made on a shoestring in 1944 I believe. William Walton doing the music, filmed in Ireland.
    There is the famous story of Olivier (Star and Director) asking a very doubtful Irish extra to jump from a tree onto a Knight riding by and take him off his horse. The Irishman said 'Sure, will ye just show me how it's done first sorr?'

    My dad watched them make that film. He was 12 at the time. Incidentally, the French have had more military victories than any other European nation. Thought I would mischievously throw that in to the discussion!
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    redsek said:

    seth plum said:

    A famous film made on a shoestring in 1944 I believe. William Walton doing the music, filmed in Ireland.
    There is the famous story of Olivier (Star and Director) asking a very doubtful Irish extra to jump from a tree onto a Knight riding by and take him off his horse. The Irishman said 'Sure, will ye just show me how it's done first sorr?'

    My dad watched them make that film. He was 12 at the time. Incidentally, the French have had more military victories than any other European nation. Thought I would mischievously throw that in to the discussion!
    Is it actually possibly to really, accurately measure that ? Sounds like something a Frenchman came up with without anyway of actually proving or disproving the fact.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Please bear in mind that if it wasn't for us, the French would now all be speaking German.

    Twice.
  • redsek
    redsek Posts: 656
    Ironic given that were it not for that little French away trip in 1066, we would still be speaking a dialect of German. Maybe both nations should be mutually grateful for that.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    The English language is still today a Germanic language.

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