Church - Non Penalty - Ref needs to explain

Looked a penalty to me, Church had his heels clipped. Not a red card though as he was going away from goal.

Penalty. Can't see why he didn't give it. He may have thought the defender was stronger than church but its church who wins the ball.

MrLargo said:

Never gonna happen, and an apology won't do anything for our league position. Don't usually moan about officials but they have cost us points against both Leeds and Reading now.

And ipswich

sirjohnhumphrey said:

He doesn't need to explain it. He obviously doesn't feel it was a penalty. Refs should not be put in front of cameras after the game to explain decisions or why they did or didn't award something. Players don't have to justify why they made mistakes in games in front of the cameras and neither should refs. Imagine a ref making a mistake in a game, coming on TV to accept it and then reffing at Stanford Bridge or Old Trafford the next week. The likes of Mourinho and Moyes would have a field day using mind games. Refs get the large majority of decisions correct...more than any manager or player does.

I think the difference is, if a player/manger consistently makes mistakes then he's considered to not be doing his job properly and therefore will lose it. Yet we seem to get a poor ref, and not only does he continue to ref after our game, but he's replaced with an equally poor one the next week. 2 points in 4 days is unforgivable and could be crucial come the end of the season yet I doubt those officials have given their poor decisions a second thought.

I'm not saying it's an easy job at all, but there are thousands of difficult jobs out there. If it's too hard, don't do it.

Watched the video and for me it's not as comprehensive as others have made out

Penalty all day long.

rather than blaming refs, blame the likes of Ashley Young who consistently try to cheat refs by diving but seem to be allowed to get away with it time and time again without all this furore. These types of players mean refs most likley go into a game knowing that at some stage a player will dive so it makes their job that much harder.

We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority

MuttleyCAFC said:

Then the refs should do their homework

What makes you think they don't?

MuttleyCAFC said:

my eyes!

Perhaps glasses will help, or a better understanding of the Laws of the Game, or both.

Athletico Charlton said:

rather than blaming refs, blame the likes of Ashley Young who consistently try to cheat refs by diving but seem to be allowed to get away with it time and time again without all this furore. These types of players mean refs most likley go into a game knowing that at some stage a player will dive so it makes their job that much harder.

We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority

Agreed however I think most forwards have been taught at some point to go to ground when there is contact especially in the penalty area and both Yann and Church know when to hit the deck.

Yes, I agree. That might help some refs.

RedChaser said:

Athletico Charlton said:

rather than blaming refs, blame the likes of Ashley Young who consistently try to cheat refs by diving but seem to be allowed to get away with it time and time again without all this furore. These types of players mean refs most likley go into a game knowing that at some stage a player will dive so it makes their job that much harder.

We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority

Agreed however I think most fowards have been taught at some point to go to ground when there is contact especially in the penalty area and both Yann and Church know when to hit the deck.

I completely agree with this - refs shouldn't be blamed when players, managers, coaches, fans et al will ALL try and deceive the referee before he's made a single error.

Players will lie through their teeth to win a throw, but blame the ref when he gets it wrong and then - and this winds me up the most - chat to each other and have a laugh about how rubbish the ref is, as they walk away.

When the 23 people go onto the football pitch only 1 isn't going to deliberately cheat within the 90 minutes.
The other 22 will steal yards at freekicks and throw-ins, feign injuries, time waste and lie.

JiMMy 85 said:

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

JiMMy 85 said:

Covered End said:

JiMMy 85 said:

Although I can't prove it, my guess is that there would be absolutely no evidence to support the 'big clubs win more penalties' theory. Didn't Spurs go nearly an entire year without a penalty? How does that work? Were they only playing the four teams above them?

Well most times we've played at Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury/Emirates, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, we've had loads of decent shouts & hardly had a sniff. They get them at the drop of a hat.

Funny how Man U hadn't had a penalty against them at OT for, what was it 1 year, 2 years ?

That's because big clubs spend far less time defending in their own area. They're a big club who can afford defenders who don't give away many penalties. Midfielders who have so much possession, the opposition rarely get into the United penalty area. It's far more likely that supporters connect incidents they remember to create a 'poor us' theory, than referees being heavily influenced by the home crowd.

So good, that they're 9th.

Shittest post of the day that I've read. Good one.

Would have to top nearly all of yours. Saying Man U don't give penalties away solely because they have brilliant defenders (when they actually have Johnny Evans and the erratic, shirt-pulling Vidic at the back) is laughable. The penalty Ashley Young won against Palace earlier this season, for example, was a joke. Would he have won that if he was playing for Palace? Would he shite.

Similarly the penalty Chelsea "won" AT HOME to West Brom. The pen that never was. When was the last time you saw one of these go against the big teams? When was the last time Southampton or Stoke won a last-minute, questionable pen at Old Trafford, Emirates or Stamford Bridge?

Your comment about "midfielders having so much possession opposing teams rarely get into their half" is a joke, surely. Do you mean (again using Man United's midfield as the example) the midfield duo of Tom Cleverley and Phil Jones, who have been widely criticised this season for not playing many incisive or even forward passes? Did you see the possession stats in the game against Everton yesterday? Do your homework before making stupid comments and making up facts.