** Takeover rumours - ed. Deal 'allegedly' DONE p.66**
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Well I, my parents, Golfie and a couple of friends all sit in the East Stand and none of us have ever been asked to sign a petition.MrOneLung said:Who signs a petition they don't agree with? Easy to get yes votes on a petition outside the ground but not so easy to register your no vote. Not a big enough mandate in my opinion to justify the acv and I feel it is pointless too as all it does is give notice of something that can't be stopped.
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It's quite clear that the deal fell through due to too high an asking price and the owners are trying to blame the ACV on the collapse. By doing this they (TJ) hope it will turn fans against the trust. Divide and conquer and all that.
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I've only been to the Valley twice in the last four months and I was asked twice.0
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Individuals will know individuals with varying points of view regarding the ACV and other things Charlton.
The facts are that a formally organised supporters trust was formed, under the umbrella of a wider trust movement. The trust got active, and the ACV was widely supported during those activities, and action was taken.
It is open to supporters to also get organised in whatever way they wish, but the Trust has more credibility in speaking for fans than gainsaying individuals who have not done very much more than observe matters.1 -
If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.6
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My fear is we won't have anything unless a buyer is found soon.DaveMehmet said:If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
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I'm not convinced this is over yet. More twists and turns to come.6
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The Americans showed an interest in buying but that was it an interest and no DD took place, this was set up to bring others out in the open.0
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Isn't Toby Porter a Spanner fan?
Why is he breaking this and not our usual correspondent Rich Cawley?0 - Sponsored links:
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Rich is heartbroken and can't bring himself to say it's over.0
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According to who?cafc1263 said:The Americans showed an interest in buying but that was it an interest and no DD took place, this was set up to bring others out in the open.
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That's Doctor to you ;0)The Red Robin said:
According to who?cafc1263 said:The Americans showed an interest in buying but that was it an interest and no DD took place, this was set up to bring others out in the open.
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Nothing's over to the fat lady sings so I'm clinging to the Daily Mail's 'poised' to pull out line and hoping it's Harris piling on a bit of pressure to focus a few minds in various related deals. Might just be the first time I've ever relied on The Mail... :-o1
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This is not a criticism but I genuinely do not understand this mindset. I really don't. Am I the only one? I'd choose Champions League in a packed new stadium (within Greenwich) for our football club every time - and yet some on here have left me wondering if I am a Charlton supporter at all.DaveMehmet said:If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
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Bournemouth Addick said:
Nothing's over to the fat lady sings so I'm clinging to the Daily Mail's 'poised' to pull out line and hoping it's Harris piling on a bit of pressure to focus a few minds in various related deals. Might just be the first time I've ever relied on The Mail... :-o
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Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.paulie8290 said:
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with itLargeAddick said:I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.1 -
I suppose there could be a generational thing here. Those involved in the battle for the Valley are very much once bitten twice shy.redsek said:
This is not a criticism but I genuinely do not understand this mindset. I really don't. Am I the only one? I'd choose Champions League in a packed new stadium (within Greenwich) for our football club every time - and yet some on here have left me wondering if I am a Charlton supporter at all.DaveMehmet said:If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
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I have tried explaining ACV and its limitations to Toby as he wasnt aware of it, but he still doesn't seem to get it.
So let me get this straight the theory goes that a billionaire with some very expensive lawyers thought acv which actually only requires notification and a delay of 6 months if the ground was put up for sale was a deal breaker... Hmm
So how long does it take to build a new ground, I would think more than six months. So announce a sale then wait til the ground is built (more than six months) then move if that is the plan of course.
Really if that were true would you want them running our club? What else night they miss? Perhaps a vital rule of English football of some kind? Perhaps Financial Fair Play regs (seems far more likely to me), or indeed something else perhaps another offer who knows
I should also point I spoke to a member of the Charlton board flagging the likely announcement of ACV and asked if it would affect the takeover and if they wanted us to sit on it (as it was something we would possibly consider if possible) he declined. We did precisely this when we first applied and delayed our application on request. Maybe the timing which you can blame Greenwich council for taking so stupidly long, but I seriously doubt it, and I think people on here are smarter than to believe some 'creative' (to put it mildly) journalism.
But make your own minds up please.
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Everyone has to start somewhere. Do you want to put some money behind them to raise their profile?northstandsteve said:
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.paulie8290 said:
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with itLargeAddick said:I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.1 - Sponsored links:
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Well you saw them, there was the phenomena right before your eyes. Did you sign, or agree/disagree, or did you leave it?northstandsteve said:
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.paulie8290 said:
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with itLargeAddick said:I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.
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Fair enough. I shouldn't have named him. Although many people here know him because he has driven them off Glynne Jones mailing list in despair.incorruptible addick said:
Classy response. Jeez, you really need to learn to stop sledging everyone and anyone who dares disagree with you. No idea who Mr Sams is and I care even less; but he is entiteld to his anonymity under forum rules. You may be right and he might be a total plank. But that's not the point. Your personal and petty animosities add nothing but rancour and ill-will to the debate.PragueAddick said:
Good evening Mr Sams. While you are here, do tell me if you now regret your strident weekly criticisms of Alan Curbishley.colin1961 said:The trust have put a massive nail in the future of Charlton, Harris does not want any hussle when he moves the club to a new stadium, he don't need it got so much money he just go and buy someone else who want to move to the next level.
Who invented these figures, I know 6 ST holders who all think it would be the right thing for the clubs future to move to a new stadium.So I think this for and against figure are incorrect.
But well done guys, div 1 next season then Admin or even no club at all, but at least The Valley will be standing .
However having worked hard with many others to get ACV you might possibly allow my frustration at his ignorant comment to spill over.
I am not aware that I have sledged anyone else this evening in any of my comments. Do feel free to point it put if so. You however called me naive and in response I tried my best to clarify that I and other Trust people have had private discussions with CAFC over ACV, while doing my best to avoid sounding self important.
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Well to cap a really shit day, off to beddy boo byes land after checking the legendary CL Takeover thread...
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Sorry mate to sentimental we could never survive in the conference at the valley.DaveMehmet said:If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
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I know that mate, we'd be out of business before we sunk that low. Still don't want to move though.northstandsteve said:
Sorry mate to sentimental we could never survive in the conference at the valley.DaveMehmet said:If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
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There is no way the granting of an ACV, supported by 2,000 people, would affect the purchase of CAFC in anyway at all.
The Valley, in the grand scheme of things, is without a doubt an asset, but when you're talking multi millions of pounds of investment in the brand Charlton Athletic, then there is not one iota of difference we as fans can make other than to be noisy is our disapproval.
The people looking at buying the Club aren't bothered about where we play or the colour of the kit. They're looking at the Premiership World Wide Brand and they see CAFC as a perfect opportunity into buying into it at this level, in London with fantastic development potential.
We are now just one part of a global marketing tool - no different to buying advertising space at the end of part one of Coronation Street.0 -
No thanks, just replying to Paulie statement that it was a overwhelming majority.The Red Robin said:
Everyone has to start somewhere. Do you want to put some money behind them to raise their profile?northstandsteve said:
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.paulie8290 said:
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with itLargeAddick said:I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.0 -
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Well you saw them, there was the phenomena right before your eyes. Did you sign, or agree/disagree, or did you leave it?northstandsteve said:
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.paulie8290 said:
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with itLargeAddick said:I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.
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Actually acv publicity covered a number of outlets, and I am just trying to recall off the top of my head
The club website
Free copies of tnt given out around the ground, might have made votv?
Local radio
Club radio
Supporters groups
Bbc website
Newsnow
Twitter
Forums
Charlton facebook groups
And more possibly
If you look at any successful petition, they never include all those in support or against. In this case it wasn't required for the application, but as well as an option to oppose, there was no counter campaign, and no objection from cafc. All that exists is a single overwhelmingly positive petition.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20130722-have-a-say-in-the-valleys-future-935037.aspx
Some clubs have opposed acv.
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Fair play that you answered the question. I don't agree.colin1961 said:The DD was passed, nothing to do with that....as for Curbishley should have left us 2 years before he did ...left us with a poor side Marcus Bent 23000 per week says it all
Could I ask for your clarification re your takeover remarks?
When you say DD was "passed" what do you mean?
And are you suggesting that the DD was completed, buyer and seller were
comfortable with the price, and then, to the great surprise of both buyer and seller, ACV was passed, and the buyer went Whooah? And that neither buyer not seller had been aware that this ACV had been on the table for 17 weeks waiting approval?
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