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** Takeover rumours - ed. Deal 'allegedly' DONE p.66**

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  • IA now that is naughty. It is Toby's behaviours and words that have been criticised, not him as a person. There is a very real difference and I do not begin to understand how you can consider that it constitutes abuse.
  • All of the ACV information was freely available on the Trust website. The Trust has l

    I agree that there is little reason to worry about the SLP - the only reason I even look at it is the links on here and when you look at their links to follow up stories it registers 46 hits or sometimes 53!

    Do we really want national scrutiny or do we want to "rebuild a credible and broad based representative organisation that can act on behalf of Charlton fans in a way that message boards and fanzines cannot"
    Both.
  • The only thing I saw wrong with Toby's story was this sentence, since it isn't as I understand it the Trust's position. But frankly anyone getting excited about ACV stopping a takeover or even the likelihood of a new stadium in the first place, is barking up the wrong tree.

    A more serious issue is how we have got this far with no serious external scrutiny, local or national, of the absentee owners, their dodgy dossier, the goings on at The Valley - a 12th long server has gone today - the club's finances, the first-team contracts, or Greenwich Council and the imaginary stadium plan.

    Sunlight is the best disinfectant and it's high time we had some.
    That's all well and good,

    The problem we have is 99% of people don't know the inner workings at the even at mid management level without trying to bring about information on the upper echelons on the organisation which was strictly designed at great effort I would suggest to avoid any such clarity, highlighted in the main by Mr Jiminez who is meant to be some kind of football fixer\property investor who signed Mikel Alonso and can't sell his own house, co-in siding with (alleged) main financier Kevin (quite spectacularly ironically named) Cash who would appear to be extremely rich yet a ghost!

    The reality is we're all running around worrying how the club is going to be run and by whom in future with little to no understanding with how/whom it current runs!

    Lord help us
  • Bubble said:

    That's all well and good,

    The problem we have is 99% of people don't know the inner workings at the even at mid management level without trying to bring about information on the upper echelons on the organisation which was strictly designed at great effort I would suggest to avoid any such clarity, highlighted in the main by Mr Jiminez who is meant to be some kind of football fixer\property investor who signed Mikel Alonso and can't sell his own house, co-in siding with (alleged) main financier Kevin (quite spectacularly ironically named) Cash who would appear to be extremely rich yet a ghost!

    The reality is we're all running around worrying how the club is going to be run and by whom in future with little to no understanding with how/whom it current runs!

    Lord help us
    Pantomime season runs from Jan-Dec at CAFC !!!

  • To be fair I've had it from a fairly good source that the ACV was ONE of the reasons the Americans pulled out, not the sole reason.

    In my opinion they probably didn't understand it properly - like a large percentage of charlton fans. And thought it's more hassle than it's worth.

    What ever will be, will be
  • To be fair I've had it from a fairly good source that the ACV was ONE of the reasons the Americans pulled out, not the sole reason.

    In my opinion they probably didn't understand it properly - like a large percentage of charlton fans. And thought it's more hassle than it's worth.

    What ever will be, will be

    You don't think someone like Harris of the Appolo group who has an army of legal advisers in this country and his own understood the ACV?

    He may not have done but you don't have lawyers billing £800 per hour to not know.
  • No offence GJ but how many times have we heard that phrase :)
  • To be fair I've had it from a fairly good source that the ACV was ONE of the reasons the Americans pulled out, not the sole reason.

    In my opinion they probably didn't understand it properly - like a large percentage of charlton fans. And thought it's more hassle than it's worth.

    What ever will be, will be

    Well if that is true ( which i doubt very much ) then they were the wrong people to take over anyway.
  • Here we go again!
    The Club itself supported it! Razil and I met with two different directors at different times over the summer and it was Michael Slater who called Razil later that week to agree a form of wording to go on the club website.
    What the club would not do was support the actual promotion of the petition. So every one of those 1,905 (a great number) on the e-petition came from web promotion and fans working on the Trust stall which is located on CAFC property.
    I heard some on here and elsewhere say that once the concept of relegation was explained the purchaser valuation of the deal dropped somewhat.
    The value of promotion to the Premier League is far, far higher than the sale value of the Valley and IMHO the Valley is fit for purpose now and in the years to come.
    When someone does deals for £18M they employ people who get these things right with the precision of a Beckham free kick.
    When someone is trying to sell a loss making company they will inevitably exagerate the upside - it is up to the purchasers to nail the reality and it is up to both sides to cut a deal.
    I am 100% sure the Trust can and should write more on all of the angles here for I am sure it has members who have parts of the picture along with experts who can sum up the position the club is in.
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  • I don't believe anyone who was that wealthy would be that dumb, I have also heard from a number of sources as you put it GJ that the ground issue is a red herring..

    However I prefer to look at the facts in front of me. The trust has access to legal advice and supporters directs resources and advice. I can assure you we didnt undertake this without using that, and conducting a very careful analysis.

    Acv only comes into play if the ground is sold separately, and even then only six months delay. A new stadium would take far longer to construct. The reality is all it does is act as a warning in very particular circumstances. If buyers are worried about that then something dodgy is afoot. They will also soon find very few clubs in England without it assuming it stays law.
  • This is the thread that will never die, as it seemingly draws it's last breath along comes the most random thing and in no time another 50 posts have been added. Been out on the fire engine and then went straight to bed, open CL and for a second I thought there may be another new rumour to discuss.
  • 61 pages.

  • Yet we managed it in 1990.
    Had a think about this AB.
    Why not get your mate Kleinman to have a word with the Sky news 'yellow ticker tape of sensationalism' department to see off we can get a few yards?

  • any sentence that starts " a Smallwall/Palarse fane told me----------" should only be posted on here if it ends " so i laughed in his face and told them to get a life and crawl back into the cat litter they came from"
  • Just passing on some info received from a palace mate who works for sky sports. He was talking to one of the administrators who was involved in when Palace went into administration and he said it seems likely that we could be going into administration in the near future.

    There are three teams that are close; us, Birmingham and Carlisle although Carlisle are the closest.

    I don't know anything more but it doesn't sound great, this makes the Harris deal falling through look even worse.

    My thoughts: Insolvency Practitioners live in the real world. In this world - a million miles away from the world occupied by football supporters - the Insolvency Practitioner does no work whatsoever unless he is actually likely to be paid for it: that's how they make their living. So, in this real world, IPs do not sit down and spend hour upon hour of precious fee-earning time working out which football clubs might be the next to go into administration just on the off chance that they might work for one of a dozen or so firms that might be in line to be appointed administrators. So you can tell your mate to swivel on it.
  • They said the First World War would be over by Christmas....
  • Uboat said:

    They said the First World War would be over by Christmas....

    Why would insolvency practitioners have said that ?

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  • IA now that is naughty. It is Toby's behaviours and words that have been criticised, not him as a person. There is a very real difference and I do not begin to understand how you can consider that it constitutes abuse.

    He's a journo himself don't forget.

    That's why.
  • Blimey, this thread has descended into a bit of a free-for-all, but for some reason, like a moth to the flame, it's sadly addictive. Personally, for my own sanity, am putting it down to the hope that each time I see a hundred new comments it may, just may, be for something positive.

    Whether you share the views of Prague, SR or Razil or not, if others have even had a fleeting degree of experience with the press (especially if the topic at hand is light on facts as in this case) then it is no surprise that they try to pull together as much of a newsworthy story as possible from wherever they can. Tying in a comment re ACV is to achieve exactly what it has done on here......speculation and conjecture.

    As others have mentioned, there is no way ACV would even hit the radar of Apollo concerns, they've done distressed property deals in Europe in the last few years that dwarf any purchase of CAFC and came with serious DD issues for their innumerable advisers to tackle (often in a matter of weeks).

    Here's still hoping for some positive news before what seems like very tough times ahead.
  • Sure, I take your general points Carly, however the rumour mongers are working on the belief that there was only one takeover bid and that it has gone away. They believe this on the basis of a tiny and clearly spoon-fed couple of 'reports' in the Daily Fail , and in a local rag which has no serious interest in covering us properly. Airman has not backed up the rumours, which I believe he would do if he thought they had substance. That's why I think Thursday admin is bull.
    Maybe you have not read the South London Press for 15 years or so but the South London Press has the best coverage of Charlton anywhere in print.

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    With the exception of Voice of the Valley.

  • surely the title/edit of this thread should include the word poised? :D
  • Are we all agreed that admin on Thursday is a windup?
  • isnt winding up part of that ;)
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    it's a wind-up about a windup ... yup, got that ... makes just as much sense as most of the rumours

    admin this week? not a chance in my opinion ... but I know nothing so as usual I will wait and see
  • edited December 2013
    @Toby Porter

    I accept that your coverage of games iprobably matches up to your claim. Would you concede that your linking of the alleged breakdown of talks to ACV was a mistake, and do you understand the distress it caused Barnie and The Trust who had in good faith tried to help you write your previous exclusive - in- print article on ACV being passed?

    Respect to you for coming on here, either way
  • Prague, to be fair hasn't he already apologised?
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