Chris Powell is a perfect example of why we should never appoint a "club legend" again.
As a player, Powell made almost 250 appearances in his three spells at Charlton. He instantly became a fan favorite due to his good personality, his passion, his drive and his jumps after team wins. No one can take this away from him...except for the fact that he has been appointed as manager of the club.
There's no doubt that Powell coming in was a great boost to the club. We had been left emotionally drained after Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson all failing miserably. Powell came in to stabilize the ship, and for awhile he did. The club achieved promotion from League One as champions, and had a great first season up in the Championship. Things were going well, until boardroom shenanigans began to cause turmoil both on and off the pitch. The clubs performance went to pot, five wins this season, nine draws and thirteen losses. The club sits in the relegation zone with a goal differential of -13, and the lowest scoring record of all clubs in the Championship.
You can say that the former board are to blame, and to an extent you are right. The fact is though, Chris is the manager. He is in charge of the team. The board may control the money, but Chris controls the team. Unfortunately, that team is not preforming on the pitch. The Wigan result, while always expected to happen, says it all. Charlton are simply being out classed and out played by all their opposition.
If the manager had been anyone other than Powell then Charlton fans would have been calling for his head. Pardew, another former Charlton player, actually had protests calling for him to be sacked.
The fact that we are talking about Powell though has caused people to become conflicted as to whether or not he should be sacked. I think it's become perfectly clear that this club should never appoint someone with as many ties to the club as Powell again. It's divided the fan base and when he is let go, whether it's sooner or later, it will tarnish people remembering Powell the player.
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We surely don"t need another thread - it will be same people with same opinions10
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I think we need we need a change but I wouldn't change what Powell gave us in his first two years for anything.0
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a very good and perceptive post2
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Not sure about this argument at all I want to take a bit of an issue with the statement regarding Phil Parkinson in so far that he was handed a basket case of a team after Pardew went, had even less backing than CP but managed to get us into the play off's of League 1 at the first attempt. Don't get me wrong the football was pretty dreary but hindsight tells me he did an OK job and like CP is a very decent man.
Onto the question CP has been great but I am certain that the current situation with players leaving and others arriving without any apparent consultation is surely taking it's toll and certainly his body language is that of a man at the end of his tether. I know what that's like years ago I worked for a great company and then it was bought out and everything changed, mostly for the worse and I became very demotivated and in the end couldn't wait to leave and that is where I think CP may be heading.
Will his reputation be tarnished? not in my eyes he did a great job but this could be the time for change no reflection on CP just the natural end to a employee/employer relationship. I for one will be sorry to see him go and if in the unlikely circumstance that any other ex player/legend is in the frame to take over who is capable of turning this debacle around then bring it on. Managers, Players and even ownres come and go in time the only consistent is the supporters and in that sense the club belongs to us so whatever happens we have to get behind whoever takes over and hope that we can pull out of this relegation mire.0 -
Yet another nonsense thread. Can't be bothered to point out the various errors and inaccuracies, but I will point out that it's yet another Powell Out post containing no suggestion of who this magical manager is who'll come in when Powell leaves and take us to the top of the table paying total football every match. Tedious.17
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His tactics are shocking.
Whenever we are defending a lead or a point he invariably takes off our attacking options, the defence goes 10 yards deeper and invites the opposition on with the usual consequences.
Yesterday at Wigan another example of this.
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And how do you square all this with your first post on this forum?:AmericanAddick said:Chris Powell the player and Chris Powell the manager are two completely different people.
As a player, Powell made almost 250 appearances in his three spells at Charlton. He instantly became a fan favorite due to his good personality, his passion, his drive and his jumps after team wins. No one can take this away from him...except for the fact that he has been appointed as manager of the club.
There's no doubt that Powell coming in was a great boost to the club. We had been left emotionally drained after Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson all failing miserably. Powell came in to stabilize the ship, and for awhile he did. The club achieved promotion from League One as champions, and had a great first season up in the Championship. Things were going well, until boardroom shenanigans began to cause turmoil both on and off the pitch. The clubs performance went to pot, five wins this season, nine draws and thirteen losses. The club sits in the relegation zone with a goal differential of -13, and the lowest scoring record of all clubs in the Championship.
You can say that the former board are to blame, and to an extent you are right. The fact is though, Chris is the manager. He is in charge of the team. The board may control the money, but Chris controls the team. Unfortunately, that team is not preforming on the pitch. The Wigan result, while always expected to happen, says it all. Charlton are simply being out classed and out played by all their opposition.
If the manager had been anyone other than Powell then Charlton fans would have been calling for his head. Pardew, another former Charlton player, actually had protests calling for him to be sacked.
The fact that we are talking about Powell though has caused people to become conflicted as to whether or not he should be sacked. I think it's become perfectly clear that this club should never appoint someone with as many ties to the club as Powell again. It's divided the fan base and when he is let go, whether it's sooner or later, it will tarnish people remembering Powell the player.
AmericanAddick Member
January 30
“You don't deserve the heartache you've had to go through, and quite honestly the fans deserve better than most of the nonsense that has occurred during the past eight years. You had to deal with Dowies incompetence, Les Reed being given a contract for no reason at all, Murray pissing away all the money, Pardew being just as useless as Dowie, Parkinson, the previous board messing up the clubs finances. You didn't deserve all that nonsense.
Luckily, Chris Powell seems to be a legitimately good guy. You should all feel very fortunate to have someone truly committed to the club, that's something very rare in todays game”.
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A fair and balanced assessment m8 even though many may not agree with your conclusion. Well played sir!0
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You do the beer........AmericanAddick said:Chris Powell the player and Chris Powell the manager are two completely different people.
As a player, Powell made almost 250 appearances in his three spells at Charlton. He instantly became a fan favorite due to his good personality, his passion, his drive and his jumps after team wins. No one can take this away from him...except for the fact that he has been appointed as manager of the club.
There's no doubt that Powell coming in was a great boost to the club. We had been left emotionally drained after Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson all failing miserably. Powell came in to stabilize the ship, and for awhile he did. The club achieved promotion from League One as champions, and had a great first season up in the Championship. Things were going well, until boardroom shenanigans began to cause turmoil both on and off the pitch. The clubs performance went to pot, five wins this season, nine draws and thirteen losses. The club sits in the relegation zone with a goal differential of -13, and the lowest scoring record of all clubs in the Championship.
You can say that the former board are to blame, and to an extent you are right. The fact is though, Chris is the manager. He is in charge of the team. The board may control the money, but Chris controls the team. Unfortunately, that team is not preforming on the pitch. The Wigan result, while always expected to happen, says it all. Charlton are simply being out classed and out played by all their opposition.
If the manager had been anyone other than Powell then Charlton fans would have been calling for his head. Pardew, another former Charlton player, actually had protests calling for him to be sacked.
The fact that we are talking about Powell though has caused people to become conflicted as to whether or not he should be sacked. I think it's become perfectly clear that this club should never appoint someone with as many ties to the club as Powell again. It's divided the fan base and when he is let go, whether it's sooner or later, it will tarnish people remembering Powell the player.
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If it wasn't "Chris Powell" but it was "Matt Holland", "Shaun Newton" or even "Jason Euell" would we still be sticking by him? Would we gloss over the inept squad, poor substitutions and questionable tactics? At the end of the day he is still here because of who he is, and I wonder if this is going to be our undoing, or if he will go on to become a legend as a manager too, only time will tell0
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All getting very tedious now...6
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Valid point.
If it wasn't CP, the manager would've been sacked already. History clouds judgement...
However I'm praying CP turns it round and turns out to be a great manager for us. Time will tell!1 -
Well spotted. It does make me laugh when they are so obvious.micks1950 said:
And how do you square all this with your first post on this forum?:AmericanAddick said:Chris Powell the player and Chris Powell the manager are two completely different people.
As a player, Powell made almost 250 appearances in his three spells at Charlton. He instantly became a fan favorite due to his good personality, his passion, his drive and his jumps after team wins. No one can take this away from him...except for the fact that he has been appointed as manager of the club.
There's no doubt that Powell coming in was a great boost to the club. We had been left emotionally drained after Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson all failing miserably. Powell came in to stabilize the ship, and for awhile he did. The club achieved promotion from League One as champions, and had a great first season up in the Championship. Things were going well, until boardroom shenanigans began to cause turmoil both on and off the pitch. The clubs performance went to pot, five wins this season, nine draws and thirteen losses. The club sits in the relegation zone with a goal differential of -13, and the lowest scoring record of all clubs in the Championship.
You can say that the former board are to blame, and to an extent you are right. The fact is though, Chris is the manager. He is in charge of the team. The board may control the money, but Chris controls the team. Unfortunately, that team is not preforming on the pitch. The Wigan result, while always expected to happen, says it all. Charlton are simply being out classed and out played by all their opposition.
If the manager had been anyone other than Powell then Charlton fans would have been calling for his head. Pardew, another former Charlton player, actually had protests calling for him to be sacked.
The fact that we are talking about Powell though has caused people to become conflicted as to whether or not he should be sacked. I think it's become perfectly clear that this club should never appoint someone with as many ties to the club as Powell again. It's divided the fan base and when he is let go, whether it's sooner or later, it will tarnish people remembering Powell the player.
AmericanAddick Member
January 30
“You don't deserve the heartache you've had to go through, and quite honestly the fans deserve better than most of the nonsense that has occurred during the past eight years. You had to deal with Dowies incompetence, Les Reed being given a contract for no reason at all, Murray pissing away all the money, Pardew being just as useless as Dowie, Parkinson, the previous board messing up the clubs finances. You didn't deserve all that nonsense.
Luckily, Chris Powell seems to be a legitimately good guy. You should all feel very fortunate to have someone truly committed to the club, that's something very rare in todays game”.
I don't think less of a club legend like Mark Kinsella because he wasn't a success as a coach her and I wouldnt think less of Chris Powell if he was sacked tomorrow and someone else came in and kept us up.
I support Charlton Athletic not Mark Kinsella or Eddie Firmani or Mike Bailey or Steve Gritt but I still admire all four.
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So you don't think people's loyalty towards Powell has anything to do with the job he done as manager the last two seasons?7
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CP is here until the end of the season when his contract runs out. Fact. Think we, the fans, need to back the team as we're desperate to get out of this mess. He's not perfect, makes tactical mistakes but cares passionately about the club. Let's get behind the team & cheer us on to 21st position3
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He deserves the extra leeway we give him, in part due to his status at the club but also because of the loyalty and integrity he has displayed in the last few years.
It is because of his history with us that he has stayed this long. It is because of this that he has not walked away to rescue his own sanity. It is because of this that he continues to face the behind the scenes problems on a daily basis and hasn't yet decided to jack it all in.
Loyalty works both ways. He has shown us plenty and I will keep giving him mine and I hope when he eventually goes it is on his terms and with our gratitude and thanks.6 -
People want to stick by him because he has been a magnificent manager for the last 2 years. Record points and 9th last year. Probably the third best manager in our 108 year history. Simple really8
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I kind of get where you're coming from but when people think of Kinsella do they think of the club legend who played for us during a remarkable spell in the club's history or do they think of the assistant manager who was part of the management team who oversaw the worst spell in the club's history?
In years to come Powell will be a club legend again for the time he played with us. He may or may not also be a management legend.0 -
This will be our undoing even though its admirable.redman said:People want to stick by him because he has been a magnificent manager for the last 2 years. Record points and 9th last year. Probably the third best manager in our 108 year history. Simple really
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Redman bang on the money
Powell the player powell the man has fuck all to do with it
Back him and he proved he can do great things
There for he has nothing to prove
What makes me laugh is no one could do any better working under the constraints he had too
And no one will
TJ and MS are gone and RD wants a coach not a mgr so its all pie in the sky
Appointing chris powell is why appointing legends can work
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Say what you like about his tactics, yes they have cost us in the past but if your asking for a miracle maker you've got it in powell. The fact is that he has gained us so much more than the tiny amount he has lost us. I don't want to become just another club that sacks a manager just because things arnt going our way. Honestly with out powell, this season I think we would be more like last what some of you are asking for is just ridiculous.2
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That was what I was saying.DRF said:I kind of get where you're coming from but when people think of Kinsella do they think of the club legend who played for us during a remarkable spell in the club's history or do they think of the assistant manager who was part of the management team who oversaw the worst spell in the club's history?
In years to come Powell will be a club legend again for the time he played with us. He may or may not also be a management legend.
Kinsella remains a legend DESPITE his time as coach, with me at least.
The same with Powell regardless that he has actually done quite well in the last two seasons as C.A.F.C says despite the limitations placed on him before and now.
But this is just the same old debate that will go around and around pleasing AA no end.
Don't feed the troll
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But I don't think there's a discrepancy here. Obviously AmericanAddick likes Chris Powell but what he is trying to point out is that having a legend in charge like Chris is helping to obscure what is really right for the club. And that is not saying that getting rid of Chris is right for the club but just that the ability to make an informed, unbiased assessment is being hampered. It's like trying to make an emotional decision when a family member is involved. I can see what he's getting at.micks1950 said:
And how do you square all this with your first post on this forum?:AmericanAddick said:Chris Powell the player and Chris Powell the manager are two completely different people.
As a player, Powell made almost 250 appearances in his three spells at Charlton. He instantly became a fan favorite due to his good personality, his passion, his drive and his jumps after team wins. No one can take this away from him...except for the fact that he has been appointed as manager of the club.
There's no doubt that Powell coming in was a great boost to the club. We had been left emotionally drained after Dowie, Reed, Pardew and Parkinson all failing miserably. Powell came in to stabilize the ship, and for awhile he did. The club achieved promotion from League One as champions, and had a great first season up in the Championship. Things were going well, until boardroom shenanigans began to cause turmoil both on and off the pitch. The clubs performance went to pot, five wins this season, nine draws and thirteen losses. The club sits in the relegation zone with a goal differential of -13, and the lowest scoring record of all clubs in the Championship.
You can say that the former board are to blame, and to an extent you are right. The fact is though, Chris is the manager. He is in charge of the team. The board may control the money, but Chris controls the team. Unfortunately, that team is not preforming on the pitch. The Wigan result, while always expected to happen, says it all. Charlton are simply being out classed and out played by all their opposition.
If the manager had been anyone other than Powell then Charlton fans would have been calling for his head. Pardew, another former Charlton player, actually had protests calling for him to be sacked.
The fact that we are talking about Powell though has caused people to become conflicted as to whether or not he should be sacked. I think it's become perfectly clear that this club should never appoint someone with as many ties to the club as Powell again. It's divided the fan base and when he is let go, whether it's sooner or later, it will tarnish people remembering Powell the player.
AmericanAddick Member
January 30
“You don't deserve the heartache you've had to go through, and quite honestly the fans deserve better than most of the nonsense that has occurred during the past eight years. You had to deal with Dowies incompetence, Les Reed being given a contract for no reason at all, Murray pissing away all the money, Pardew being just as useless as Dowie, Parkinson, the previous board messing up the clubs finances. You didn't deserve all that nonsense.
Luckily, Chris Powell seems to be a legitimately good guy. You should all feel very fortunate to have someone truly committed to the club, that's something very rare in todays game”.3 -
Powell, objectivity, as a manager has under-performed this season, he has got things wrong.
However we only have or had 4/5 players in the whole squad that are championship standard and have now sold two of those players. I'm not including the incoming ones via January.
Think it's partly a case that we over achieved when we won league 1.
I also that Powell, for one reason or another has lost a bit of spark in the process of managing Charlton Athletic, and his affections have been a bit drained out via the way the club was not moving forward and looking ambitious last summer, pre season.
Considering how well we done to finish 9th, you would have thought a bit of transfer money as reward would have come CP' s way, but no it didn't, he had to find any old tat like, regrettably saying, Simon church, just to fill the squad.
I think that took something out of our manager. It has now totally backfired and our new owners don't appear to respect Powell. One extreme to another. I feel sorry for the gaffer, but if he goes he goes, all the best to him. He's only human and has done more good then bad for this club. Don't have short memories.2 -
The post completely - completely - ignores the fact that the squad this season has been depleted, and the players left in a vacuum of uncertainty over their contracts, as has the manager himself.
Some people keep trotting out the simplistic line "its a results business". Well here's another one
Increase quality of squad with same manager = team heads upwards
Decrease quality of squad with same manager = team heads downwards
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What i'm saying with my previous posts and this one is this.
Powell is a good guy, no one doubts that. He is Charlton through and through, again, no one doubts that.
What i'm saying is that if he were not a Charlton legend would he still be here? If he had played half as many games for us would people have the same level of respect for him? Pardew, a man who also played for Charlton and has more managerial experience than Powell, is almost universally reviled by fans now.
The whole club legend as a manager thing skews peoples ability to make a rational decision. Your heart remembers that this is someone who has done great things for the club, while your head remembers the clubs failings on the pitch.
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The only thing that powell has done wrong is the loyalty he has shown the players that blew league 1 apart.
Quite rightly, they deserved a crack at the championship and came within a win and a draw of the play offs.
Admitedly this season is a different game altogether and I truly believe that CP has now recognised this and will without doubt turn it around.
Im sure that this is my first post on this matter and I will trust CP as long as he is here0 -
How anyone could make a judgment of any manager against the background of what has been happening this season while the club has been up for sale and over the past month when the new owners understandably have had to impose their authority and give a new direction to the club, clearly knows very little about management football or otherwise. For the moment I shall judge Chris Powell on what he achieved in the last two complete seasons. If you are looking for scapegoats my guess is you will find that they have already left the club.5
