Evina tweeting about home fans racist abuse
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It was while he was warming up down the touchline0
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I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.0 -
Sarky!cafc999 said:
yeah, just after he rang you..Curb_It said:Danny Green rang you to tell you that they had got the wrong man?
look, there are several sides to each story isn't there..?? I am just simply telling you what my friend told me who was sitting probably no more than 3 meters away from where Green was when he told the steward.
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cabbles said:
I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Careful, you may be accused of being tolerant of racism
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It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.2 -
SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.
Surely the girls 'kept their lights on' as they liked Chocolate's personality as well as his looks (perhaps I am giving them too much credit?).
Now, if I nicknamed a colleague 'Chocolate'....how long until I was disciplined for racism / bullying? Would I be able to use the defense that a 'professional footballer tweeted this term about a TV show and it was clearly a joke, so I should be able to use it too'
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If a white man called a white woman a chocolate chaser whilst she was in the company of black men, would that come across as racist?
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Chocolate chasers isn't racist, the same way using the word black isn't racist. Where's the hate in it? It's literally describing someone's sexual preference. If you cant see that then you're gonna spend most of your life offended.1
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But if I said, ' I don't fancy Chocolate girls'......Addicted said:Chocolate chasers isn't racist, the same way using the word black isn't racist. Where's the hate in it? It's literally describing someone's sexual preference. If you cant see that then you're gonna spend most of your life offended.
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Is chubby chaser derogatory to fat people? If you refer to anyone's race using such a term, I believe it can be inferred as racism. Certain words are most definitely more harsh. My point was that it probably wasn't the most clever thing for Evina to do. I don't think it would go down to well if I were to start referring to black friends/colleagues as 'chocolates'SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.0 -
Take Me Out doesn't really lend itself to judging personality, especially if he's noting the fact before the guy has even opened his mouth to speak.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.
Surely the girls 'kept their lights on' as they liked Chocolate's personality as well as his looks (perhaps I am giving them too much credit?).
Now, if I nicknamed a colleague 'Chocolate'....how long until I was disciplined for racism / bullying? Would I be able to use the defense that a 'professional footballer tweeted this term about a TV show and it was clearly a joke, so I should be able to use it too'
Calling a particular person chocolate because he's black is offensive (without his consent). Noting that someone likes a particular type of man with a joke phrase isn't.
Would it be offensive to note that a girl likes older men or a 'chubby chaser'? No. But race is involved this time so it has to be offensive.0 -
I don't want to get too involved here, but I don't believe it's the place of white men (I have no idea what skin colour any of you are btw) to tell a black man what is and isn't racist...2
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Im_Jordans_Cousin said:
But if I said, ' I don't fancy Chocolate girls'......Addicted said:Chocolate chasers isn't racist, the same way using the word black isn't racist. Where's the hate in it? It's literally describing someone's sexual preference. If you cant see that then you're gonna spend most of your life offended.
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Yes, Evina (who is black), was definitely being racist against black people.cabbles said:
Is chubby chaser derogatory to fat people? If you refer to anyone's race using such a term, I believe it can be inferred as racism. Certain words are most definitely more harsh. My point was that it probably wasn't the most clever thing for Evina to do. I don't think it would go down to well if I were to start referring to black friends/colleagues as 'chocolates'SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.
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Presumably because racism is only possible by whites against blacks? Right?ValleyTalkBlog said:I don't want to get too involved here, but I don't believe it's the place of white men (I have no idea what skin colour any of you are btw) to tell a black man what is and isn't racist...
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This is ridiculous…..ValleyTalkBlog said:I don't want to get too involved here, but I don't believe it's the place of white men (I have no idea what skin colour any of you are btw) to tell a black man what is and isn't racist...
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SELR_addicks said:
Take Me Out doesn't really lend itself to judging personality, especially if he's noting the fact before the guy has even opened his mouth to speak.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.
Surely the girls 'kept their lights on' as they liked Chocolate's personality as well as his looks (perhaps I am giving them too much credit?).
Now, if I nicknamed a colleague 'Chocolate'....how long until I was disciplined for racism / bullying? Would I be able to use the defense that a 'professional footballer tweeted this term about a TV show and it was clearly a joke, so I should be able to use it too'
Calling a particular person chocolate because he's black is offensive (without his consent). Noting that someone likes a particular type of man with a joke phrase isn't.
Would it be offensive to note that a girl likes older men or a 'chubby chaser'? No. But race is involved this time so it has to be offensive.
If you read back, I don't actually find the comment itself offensive, but it frustrates me that people pick and choose what is or isn't racist.
You say it is a joke phrase (I agree, and if people dont see that or the difference between what allegedly happened in the stands then we have more to worry about), but what is a joke to you or I, may not be for another.
Too the extreme....what if the man in the stadium was 'joking'?
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This is all too much for me. Gonna have a lie down and some hot chocolate2
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Jeez, knew I stepped on a landmine there.
I, PERSONALLY, just believe that if you're talking about racism against black people, it's not for white people to then decide what is and isn't racist in that context.0 -
It all really depends on the context and intent.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:SELR_addicks said:
Take Me Out doesn't really lend itself to judging personality, especially if he's noting the fact before the guy has even opened his mouth to speak.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.
Surely the girls 'kept their lights on' as they liked Chocolate's personality as well as his looks (perhaps I am giving them too much credit?).
Now, if I nicknamed a colleague 'Chocolate'....how long until I was disciplined for racism / bullying? Would I be able to use the defense that a 'professional footballer tweeted this term about a TV show and it was clearly a joke, so I should be able to use it too'
Calling a particular person chocolate because he's black is offensive (without his consent). Noting that someone likes a particular type of man with a joke phrase isn't.
Would it be offensive to note that a girl likes older men or a 'chubby chaser'? No. But race is involved this time so it has to be offensive.
If you read back, I don't actually find the comment itself offensive, but it frustrates me that people pick and choose what is or isn't racist.
You say it is a joke phrase (I agree, and if people dont see that or the difference between what allegedly happened in the stands then we have more to worry about), but what is a joke to you or I, may not be for another.
Too the extreme....what if the man in the stadium was 'joking'?
For example take the word monkey. Can have a million uses with some being offensive.
The man in the stadium might claim he was joking, but the context and intent of what he said/did points towards that not being the case.1 -
racistAddicted said:This is all too much for me. Gonna have a lie down and some hot chocolate
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Why did that tweet only become relevant to people after Evina complained about racial abuse at The Valley? if you find the tweet genuinely offensive fair enough, if you're only bothered by the tweet now because Evina tweeted a week later complaining about being racially abused then you're clearly ignorant or worse.3
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it became relevant when he vented his disgust (quite rightly) at 'full blown' racism on the same platform as he used for 'casual' racism0
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It's not about if Evina (who is black) definitely being racist against black people, seriously. You have to look at what campaigns like kick it out and the law is trying to achieve. If you adopt a zero tolerance policy towards racism, then you cannot have someone using a term from one race, that if someone from another race used the same term, would then be deemed racist.SELR_addicks said:
Yes, Evina (who is black), was definitely being racist against black people.cabbles said:
Is chubby chaser derogatory to fat people? If you refer to anyone's race using such a term, I believe it can be inferred as racism. Certain words are most definitely more harsh. My point was that it probably wasn't the most clever thing for Evina to do. I don't think it would go down to well if I were to start referring to black friends/colleagues as 'chocolates'SELR_addicks said:
It's not racist. Please don't try and equate racial abuse towards a player and a joke about a tv show.cabbles said:I saw a tweet from Evina on one of the Charlton Facebook groups. The gist of it were that the girls on the show 'take me out' (hosted by john o Shea, sorry Paddy Mcguiness), were chocolate chasers as they were all quite attracted to a black guy. This is a silly thing to do based on the racist abuse he received at the game, and subsequent use of Twitter to highlight said abuse. A couple of things here. Of course any abuse he got should not be tolerated and whoever it was should be punished/reprimanded. To then refer to a group of predominantly white women as 'chocolate chasers' is actually racist. I get the slang and understand the term, but you can't use it (regardless of whether you are black or white). In a way, it's like saying, I don't condone any racism toward me by others, but I can use racist terms toward my own.
I'm not being overly PC, I just think he's been a bit stupid here by way of what he's saying.
Chocolate chaser isn't a racist term. It's not derogatory in any way and wasn't used as an insult or trying to prove a particular race is 'superior'.
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But there is a difference between joking about not deliberately causing offence to anyone and purposely trying to hurt and belittle someone, this applies to all insults not just racist ones. Black people call each other the 'N' word in casual friendly banter but that is not the same as a white person using that word to be aggressive. It's the same as a friend laughing at your big bum as a joke because you took the Mick out of their goofy teeth is not the same as a stranger in the street shouting out fat arse aggressively. Me and my mates call each other bitches messing about but if a stranger called me one I would be offended. The 2 examples with Evina are exactly the same one was said messing about one was said as an insult to purposely cause offence.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:it became relevant when he vented his disgust (quite rightly) at 'full blown' racism on the same platform as he used for 'casual' racism
Also I've (having been with black men) have often heard them say things like you like a bit of chocolate? How about some chocolate loving? And things like that so I'm pretty sure that coming from a black man the chocolate thing was not a racist remark.0 -
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I don't doubt that....but the question I keep asking is when does one person's joke become another's insult. Evina as professional footballer (a role model), is not tweeting to his (Black?) friends, but to all of his followers (3000 I think someone said). Now I assume that at least one of these 3000 will be an impressionable child, who within reason could go to school on Monday, and call little Lucy a Chocolatechaser as she is friends with a black child in the same class..... This kid will be labelled a racist - there would be outrage - 'youth of today' and all that!sadiejane1981 said:
But there is a difference between joking about not deliberately causing offence to anyone and purposely trying to hurt and belittle someone, this applies to all insults not just racist ones. Black people call each other the 'N' word in casual friendly banter but that is not the same as a white person using that word to be aggressive. It's the same as a friend laughing at your big bum as a joke because you took the Mick out of their goofy teeth is not the same as a stranger in the street shouting out fat arse aggressively. Me and my mates call each other bitches messing about but if a stranger called me one I would be offended. The 2 examples with Evina are exactly the same one was said messing about one was said as an insult to purposely cause offence.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:it became relevant when he vented his disgust (quite rightly) at 'full blown' racism on the same platform as he used for 'casual' racism
Also I've (having been with black men) have often heard them say things like you like a bit of chocolate? How about some chocolate loving? And things like that so I'm pretty sure that coming from a black man the chocolate thing was not a racist remark.1 -
Absolutely spot on. Context is key and I think most of us realise that really.sadiejane1981 said:
But there is a difference between joking about not deliberately causing offence to anyone and purposely trying to hurt and belittle someone, this applies to all insults not just racist ones. Black people call each other the 'N' word in casual friendly banter but that is not the same as a white person using that word to be aggressive. It's the same as a friend laughing at your big bum as a joke because you took the Mick out of their goofy teeth is not the same as a stranger in the street shouting out fat arse aggressively. Me and my mates call each other bitches messing about but if a stranger called me one I would be offended. The 2 examples with Evina are exactly the same one was said messing about one was said as an insult to purposely cause offence.Im_Jordans_Cousin said:it became relevant when he vented his disgust (quite rightly) at 'full blown' racism on the same platform as he used for 'casual' racism
Also I've (having been with black men) have often heard them say things like you like a bit of chocolate? How about some chocolate loving? And things like that so I'm pretty sure that coming from a black man the chocolate thing was not a racist remark.
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