Ben Alnwick

Some things are more important than football. Hope things turn around. Best wishes to Ben and his family.

SheffieldRed said:

LuckyReds said:

Atletico Addick said:

Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score

This is in poor taste.

Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

Good luck Ben.

alangee said:

Didn't Katrien or was it CP who hinted that Ben was keen to leave because of a medical issue at the VIP Q&A at the Valley?

Quote from Henry's notes:

"Q: What happened with Ben Alnwick? CP Agent was pushing for a new deal, wanted a quick answers (KM "Hours") Decided to take another option I was surprised. "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"."

So his agent knew he was ill/there was a big problem with him, but was pushing our owners for a new deal?

cafctom said:

Henry Irving said:

That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.

Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.

Im_Jordans_Cousin said:

Henry Irving said:

cafctom said:

Henry Irving said:

That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.

Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.

check those dates boy-o

So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?

Henry Irving said:

Im_Jordans_Cousin said:

Henry Irving said:

cafctom said:

Henry Irving said:

That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.

Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.

check those dates boy-o

So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?

Did we get a fee? I thought he left on a free?

What they said at the VIP meeting was the reason for the recruitment of Thuram was partly influenced by the fact that both goalkeepers Alnwick and Hamer were out of contract in the summer.

They then indicated that Alnwick's agent played hard ball over a new contract and gave them 'hours' to make a decision. What I find curious about the whole affair is the speed in which it happened. Orient only needed to recruit a Keeper because Jackopovic was recalled to Hull because the Tigers goalie had been sent off the previous night ,at this point they would have been desperate and remember Alnwick did play one game for them on the Saturday.

I was under the impression that we might have got a modest fee for him ,but what confused me was that the O's only offered him a deal until the end of the season which was the same as we had done.

Im_Jordans_Cousin said:

Henry Irving said:

kings hill addick said:

Henry Irving said:

Im_Jordans_Cousin said:

Henry Irving said:

cafctom said:

Henry Irving said:

That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.

Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.

check those dates boy-o

So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?

Did we get a fee? I thought he left on a free?

Don't think is was disclosed if there was one or not

Im_Jordans_Cousin said:

Henry Irving said:

Im_Jordans_Cousin said:

Henry Irving said:

cafctom said:

Henry Irving said:

That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.

Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.

check those dates boy-o

So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?

It was said that nothing could be said, because Orient might not be too happy.

p.s did you actually check the dates?

I did 14 Feb so so much later than I thought/

Don't think that puts us in a good light at all.

You checked the dates?! Do you not trust me?

It was you who suggested I check the dates in the first place so don't get upset that I did.

SheffieldRed said:

LuckyReds said:

SheffieldRed said:

LuckyReds said:

Atletico Addick said:

Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score

This is in poor taste.

Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

Good luck Ben.

I had limited my comment, in relation to your original remark, as I felt that was appropriate way for me reply in the circumstances. I also separated my reply to your remark, and my response to Ben Alnwick's current situation for the same reason.

For the avoidance of doubt I did not "drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked", I presume that relates to comments made by others.

Each individual has decide what is and is not appropriate. However your original remark about "teach our strikers how to score" in relation to an incident where, it was stated in the media, that a teenaged girl was allegedly the victim of a very serious crime, was in my opinion in poor taste.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that what happened with that girl was deemed 'criminal'. Just inappropriate for a professional footballer to be caught doing.

SheffieldRed said:

LuckyReds said:

SheffieldRed said:

LuckyReds said:

Atletico Addick said:

Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score

This is in poor taste.

Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

Good luck Ben.

I had limited my comment, in relation to your original remark, as I felt that was appropriate way for me reply in the circumstances. I also separated my reply to your remark, and my response to Ben Alnwick's current situation for the same reason.

For the avoidance of doubt I did not "drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked", I presume that relates to comments made by others.

Each individual has decide what is and is not appropriate. However your original remark about "teach our strikers how to score" in relation to an incident where, it was stated in the media, that a teenaged girl was allegedly the victim of a very serious crime, was in my opinion in poor taste.

I was indeed referring to other people's posts about drudging up the guys past; but you've gone off and done it regardless.

I'm not quite sure it ever was stated like that in the media. That link earlier is the first time I've seen that age mentioned - and I suspect it's bullshit purely because that video is still on mainstream websites. If the age was correct it wouldn't be on those sites, and if it was the subject of a criminal investigation - ditto.

Also, if you're pondering the incident 18 months later then no - I wouldn't joke about that, but that was neither mentioned in this thread nor was it ever linked to that video. Thats something that should be ignored right now as it's precisely what I mean by drudging up the past.

I suggest we leave it there, this isn't the time or the place. I made a stupid one liner, which I've apologised for. I suspect you may be confusing the video with something else - which is what I've said I wanted to avoid as it was always going to be a slippery slope in to that territory.

Kap10 said:

What started off as a nice supportive thread for a former player who has health issues directly or indirectly affecting his career and personal life and now it seems we have gone into playground phase with bickering and play ground spats.

I for one would like to return the thread to its original tone and perhaps the bickering could go to a seperate thread.

I wish all the best to Ben and his family. Would it be possible to produce a thread wishing him the best and have it passed to him .. maybe via Johnny Jackson, so he realises that he has our wishes and suport.

Totally agree, his wellbeing is tge aim of this thread, not an alleged mistake he made sometime ago.