what happened in our end today at Brighton?
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Guildford Four, Birmingham Six, Blair Peach, Winston Silcott, Colin Stagg, etc., etc., etc. The list of those who've not caused trouble but ended up having far too much to do with the police is far too long.cafcnick1992 said:To be honest I think people should have more respect for the police. It is very simple really, if you don't cause trouble by behaving yourself, you won't have anything to do with them. Like most young people I drink at games, but even if I drink too much I don't turn into some foul-mouthed touchy animal and there's no reason why anyone else should either.
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Guildford Four, Birmingham Six, Blair Peach, Winston Silcott, Colin Stagg, etc., etc., etc. The list of those who've not caused trouble but ended up having far too much to do with the police is far too long.cafcnick1992 said:To be honest I think people should have more respect for the police. It is very simple really, if you don't cause trouble by behaving yourself, you won't have anything to do with them. Like most young people I drink at games, but even if I drink too much I don't turn into some foul-mouthed touchy animal and there's no reason why anyone else should either.
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Yes, but he didn't kill PC Keith Blakelock for which he was fitted up. Maybe I should have said 'not caused trouble at the time' but I thought that would implicit.charltonbob said:
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Guildford Four, Birmingham Six, Blair Peach, Winston Silcott, Colin Stagg, etc., etc., etc. The list of those who've not caused trouble but ended up having far too much to do with the police is far too long.cafcnick1992 said:To be honest I think people should have more respect for the police. It is very simple really, if you don't cause trouble by behaving yourself, you won't have anything to do with them. Like most young people I drink at games, but even if I drink too much I don't turn into some foul-mouthed touchy animal and there's no reason why anyone else should either.
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It must be because I am getting old, but I don’t understand why you can’t be loud and support your team without being selfish and obnoxious. It probably is the drink, but I don’t take kindly being told by some p***d up oink how I should be supporting a team I have supported for more years than he has lived.
On Sunday, I sat outside a pub in Brighton Marina and was watching people playing table tennis on tables that were supplied for free – with bats and balls. The tables were solid and made of metal. One of the tables was still playable but somebody had clearly thought it was a good idea to try to vandalise it. Whilst I’m sure he wasn’t a Charlton fan, I was thinking about this and thinking about some of ours on Saturday. Some people just want to destroy and I’m sick of it.
Now people can come on here defending that behaviour, but I won’t. Our fans should be representing the good name of the club when the visit other grounds – we shouldn’t try to compete with the likes of Millwall, Leeds and Newcastle.
Before the game we remembered the Liverpool fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough. These were football fans like us and they went to a match form which they would never return. We seem to have a lot of room in our hearts to hate people we have a lot in common with ad I would have hoped the occasion may have helped people reflect on this. Some hope!
If you want to stand up when everybody else is sitting down - ask for a seat at the back. There could be young or old fans who have their experience ruined by you. What arrogance allows you to decide they can’t see the game because you are a true supporter?
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I have supported Charlton for over 50 years and have been to over 40 grounds watching Charlton. I don't go to many away games now, but I was at the Brighton game. The reason I stopped going to away games was because of the type of supporter that we saw on Saturday at the Amex. This type spoils it for everybody. I know they think they're 'passionate' but they're not. I don't want to stand up if you love Charlton. Why do you think I'm there? I'm sure more fans like myself would go
if this type of fan would cool it. They were fighting amongst themselves. Why?6 -
Problem I had last time at the Amex was I like to stand a watch the game always have, the elderly gent behind me like to sit down and kept shouting to other cafc fans that they where not showing any consideration towards him, who was a supporter who had supported the club for over 50 year etc, so myself and a few other asked if he'd like to swap.... He's answer was NO and carried on moaning about it
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As well as women and the disabled. This is a mans game, and everyone should stand.Gumbo said:Problem I had last time at the Amex was I like to stand a watch the game always have, the elderly gent behind me like to sit down and kept shouting to other cafc fans that they where not showing any consideration towards him, who was a supporter who had supported the club for over 50 year etc, so myself and a few other asked if he'd like to swap.... He's answer was NO and carried on moaning about it
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Illiterate people should be banned from typing, that would solve the problem with the internet.Gumbo said:Problem I had last time at the Amex was I like to stand a watch the game always have, the elderly gent behind me like to sit down and kept shouting to other cafc fans that they where not showing any consideration towards him, who was a supporter who had supported the club for over 50 year etc, so myself and a few other asked if he'd like to swap.... He's answer was NO and carried on moaning about it
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To OBH and Gumbo it's an all seater stadium, that's why you sit down.3
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It's things like this that make me support the establishment of fan groups. While I am slightly bemused at the whole Palace Ultra's thing I can see how - in some respects - it could have a positive impact. If those who wish to stand can organise themselves as a group and, working with the club, buy tickets in an area of the away end where them standing won't impede anyone elses viewing of the game then that can't be a bad thing.
Edit: I don't actually know if the Palace Ultra's system works like that.1 -
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Think people with a sense of humour failure should also be banned from the Internet that would defo solve every problem15
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Maybe the ticket office needs to offer a choice of front or back when selling allocated away seating?5
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Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.0
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In essence making you a fan of every team except for Charltonnewyorkaddick said:Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.
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I don't understand why this perfectly obvious solution has never beeen implemented.killerandflash said:Maybe the ticket office needs to offer a choice of front or back when selling allocated away seating?
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i was sat in the right corner of away end on sat, and i must have been with the west/east stand blanket,and flask brigade, from what i could see out of the approx 2000 fans there, 100-200 were standing trying to make some noise, the rest were sat motionless, i dont like the trouble that sometimes go with a large/young/drunk following(which tbh is rare,) but i would rather be in the company of these noisier fans than the ones i was sitting with sat (without the aggro)5
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Why does the location of my seat determine which team I want to win?OsamaBenHamer said:
In essence making you a fan of every team except for Charltonnewyorkaddick said:Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.
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I'm always in the standing camp and wished our whole end would always stand but this is Charlton hence it will rarely happen. I understand how it causes problems the rare times we sell out.
But on Sat we far from sold out and there were two distinctive standing areas on Sat which people seemed happy with. I was far left at the front, standing, with empty seats all around us. If people in the more populated but sitting sections of our support on Sat wanted to stand, I don't know why they didn't just move to where they could do so - it was simple and easy enough.
The underlying problem is we have a ridiculously (more than most clubs at this level) divided support between 'lads' and the rest. This is exaggerated on days like Sat (decent, close awaydays) when I would say it was a 20/80 split, as evidenced by it being rocking under the ground before and at HT by the 20% but morgue like in the ground when they are diluted into the rest of the support.
Palace and millwall away seem to be the only games where the balance gets closer.
On the whole I think the people in the 80% don't have it too bad compared to lots of clubs where the % is the other way round and the lower % of 'normals' have to just get on with it.
This will always be a problem at Charlton as far as I can see.12 -
My comment wasn't entirely serious. Just weird, very very weird. You are obliged to sit there in silence, not celebrate if we score, not encourage the players etc. I don't understand why you wouldn't sit with your own fans?newyorkaddick said:
Why does the location of my seat determine which team I want to win?OsamaBenHamer said:
In essence making you a fan of every team except for Charltonnewyorkaddick said:Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.
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The atmosphere was certainly better in the bar.The Organiser said:I'm always in the standing camp and wished our whole end would always stand but this is Charlton hence it will rarely happen. I understand how it causes problems the rare times we sell out.
But on Sat we far from sold out and there were two distinctive standing areas on Sat which people seemed happy with. I was far left at the front, standing, with empty seats all around us. If people in the more populated but sitting sections of our support on Sat wanted to stand, I don't know why they didn't just move to where they could do so - it was simple and easy enough.
The underlying problem is we have a ridiculously (more than most clubs at this level) divided support between 'lads' and the rest. This is exaggerated on days like Sat (decent, close awaydays) when I would say it was a 20/80 split, as evidenced by it being rocking under the ground before and at HT by the 20% but morgue like in the ground when they are diluted into the rest of the support.
Palace and millwall away seem to be the only games where the balance gets closer.
On the whole I think the people in the 80% don't have it too bad compared to lots of clubs where the % is the other way round and the lower % of 'normals' have to just get on with it.
This will always be a problem at Charlton as far as I can see.0 -
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We have this thing in England called "home" and "away" support.newyorkaddick said:
Why does the location of my seat determine which team I want to win?OsamaBenHamer said:
In essence making you a fan of every team except for Charltonnewyorkaddick said:Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.
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Spot onThe Organiser said:I'm always in the standing camp and wished our whole end would always stand but this is Charlton hence it will rarely happen. I understand how it causes problems the rare times we sell out.
But on Sat we far from sold out and there were two distinctive standing areas on Sat which people seemed happy with. I was far left at the front, standing, with empty seats all around us. If people in the more populated but sitting sections of our support on Sat wanted to stand, I don't know why they didn't just move to where they could do so - it was simple and easy enough.
The underlying problem is we have a ridiculously (more than most clubs at this level) divided support between 'lads' and the rest. This is exaggerated on days like Sat (decent, close awaydays) when I would say it was a 20/80 split, as evidenced by it being rocking under the ground before and at HT by the 20% but morgue like in the ground when they are diluted into the rest of the support.
Palace and millwall away seem to be the only games where the balance gets closer.
On the whole I think the people in the 80% don't have it too bad compared to lots of clubs where the % is the other way round and the lower % of 'normals' have to just get on with it.
This will always be a problem at Charlton as far as I can see.0 -
This topic has been bought up many times before and I can see it being bought up many times again in the future.
We all have different views of the said youngsters in our support, but at the end of the day comparing us to Millwall is a complete misjustice to the hard working proper Charlton people working at our club over the years to deter scumbags and keep them away.
Yes we will always attract some younger fans who want a bit of a laugh on the weekend, that's British football in 2014.
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Just reading through this thread (combined with my own experiences in recent seasons) provides the explanation. Given the choice between sitting with some of the scumbags that increasingly follow us away from home (typically from the worst vantage point in the stadium), or sitting on the halfway line with the opposition fans, I'd far readily choose the latter every time.OsamaBenHamer said:
My comment wasn't entirely serious. Just weird, very very weird. You are obliged to sit there in silence, not celebrate if we score, not encourage the players etc. I don't understand why you wouldn't sit with your own fans?newyorkaddick said:
Why does the location of my seat determine which team I want to win?OsamaBenHamer said:
In essence making you a fan of every team except for Charltonnewyorkaddick said:Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.
I guess some people would find it difficult, but I go to watch Charlton which is something I can do from anywhere in the stadium without drawing attention to myself - not being able to readily jump up and down in the very unlikely case that we score is not an enormous burden.
I'm also as hard as nails :-)2 -
Sounds like the recipe for happiness to meOsamaBenHamer said:
In essence making you a fan of every team except for Charltonnewyorkaddick said:Just sit in the home end - you get a better view and a nicer atmosphere. I've been doing it for the past several seasons and can't imagine watching from the away end again at one of the better attended matches.
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I'm not particualrly bothered whether I stand or sit (although softie son much prefers to sit)
Been to 4 aways this season. Had to stand at Watford and QPR, had to sit at Brighton and Leicester (or annoy those sitting behind me).
Didn't notice our support on Saturday being notably worse than usual except that we were pretty quiet once teh game started, understandably.1 -
And I thought standing was illegal !!3
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Agree.The Organiser said:I'm always in the standing camp and wished our whole end would always stand but this is Charlton hence it will rarely happen. I understand how it causes problems the rare times we sell out.
But on Sat we far from sold out and there were two distinctive standing areas on Sat which people seemed happy with. I was far left at the front, standing, with empty seats all around us. If people in the more populated but sitting sections of our support on Sat wanted to stand, I don't know why they didn't just move to where they could do so - it was simple and easy enough.
The underlying problem is we have a ridiculously (more than most clubs at this level) divided support between 'lads' and the rest. This is exaggerated on days like Sat (decent, close awaydays) when I would say it was a 20/80 split, as evidenced by it being rocking under the ground before and at HT by the 20% but morgue like in the ground when they are diluted into the rest of the support.
Palace and millwall away seem to be the only games where the balance gets closer.
On the whole I think the people in the 80% don't have it too bad compared to lots of clubs where the % is the other way round and the lower % of 'normals' have to just get on with it.
This will always be a problem at Charlton as far as I can see.
The divide in support is massive, you have the group that are a bit rowdy like to stand sing and jump around and then you have the people who would rather sit down and can get irritated when surrounded by the rowdy groups.
And I think that's why a lot of charlton fans don't see eye to eye and you hear about bust ups amongst ourselves when we take large away followings, because the divide is so apparent.0 -
You're probably correct (ironically perhaps) that our travelling percentage of scum (TPOS) is lower than most clubs, but the fact that it seems to have gone from nothing to 20% in short order makes the change more visible than if say Millwall's TPOS goes from 75% to 80%.Greenie Junior said:
Agree.The Organiser said:I'm always in the standing camp and wished our whole end would always stand but this is Charlton hence it will rarely happen. I understand how it causes problems the rare times we sell out.
But on Sat we far from sold out and there were two distinctive standing areas on Sat which people seemed happy with. I was far left at the front, standing, with empty seats all around us. If people in the more populated but sitting sections of our support on Sat wanted to stand, I don't know why they didn't just move to where they could do so - it was simple and easy enough.
The underlying problem is we have a ridiculously (more than most clubs at this level) divided support between 'lads' and the rest. This is exaggerated on days like Sat (decent, close awaydays) when I would say it was a 20/80 split, as evidenced by it being rocking under the ground before and at HT by the 20% but morgue like in the ground when they are diluted into the rest of the support.
Palace and millwall away seem to be the only games where the balance gets closer.
On the whole I think the people in the 80% don't have it too bad compared to lots of clubs where the % is the other way round and the lower % of 'normals' have to just get on with it.
This will always be a problem at Charlton as far as I can see.
The divide in support is massive, you have the group that are a bit rowdy like to stand sing and jump around and then you have the people who would rather sit down and can get irritated when surrounded by the rowdy groups.
And I think that's why a lot of charlton fans don't see eye to eye and you hear about bust ups amongst ourselves when we take large away followings, because the divide is so apparent.0 -
Last Season was the same at The Amex and the general consensus from Brighton Stewards is that we are a pretty unsavoury bunch, which saddens me enormously. Northstandchat.com has a number of posts from Brighton supporters highlighting the difficulties yesterday.
So my Football Club are serving up dreadful football, looking like a Pub Team for much of yesterday, general consensus is the worst team at The Amex this season AND we have a bunch of bloody fools that want to fight amongst themselves.
Perfect day out. What a joke.5
