For those still banging on about Kermorgant

Greenie said:

PragueAddick said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

The point is that we don't believe it. We think it's an urban myth. A lot of people say a lot of things when it comes to money and work, and most of it is hot air. Good management is all about working out the real threat from within all the hot air.

Good luck I hope you head don't get stuck in the sand.
No one is bigger than the club and having read all guff on this thread about him again thankfully none if you will ever run our club.

Oh yeah. Cause it's been such a shining example of how to run a football club for the last 7 or 8 YEARS.

I reckon some on here would make a decent fist of it to be honest.

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

I think you'll find , well from me at least , that whoever RD is taking his footballing advice from and getting him to spend his money on the likes of polish Pete rather than Yann is where everyone is finding it difficult to accept the expenditure
If there was no dough being spent/offered for players then I think we'd all accept that fair enough RD isn't gonna be spunking so we 're running a tight ship and Yann was out of our price range

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

Why throw in better deals for anyone else?

Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?

Do you not think that they've been looking elsewhere with their agents at securing deals come the end of the season,
do you not think that if the teams they'd made contact with had wanted them as much as Bournemouth wanted Yann that they'd have kept Schtum and not looked to increase their contracts ????
Come on perleeeeease
It's dog eat dog out there , every man for themselves
Those players aren't as good as Yann

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

Why throw in better deals for anyone else?

Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?

Yes. As they have been all season. I seem to remember Wiggins getting a massive 5 year deal but not a sniff for anyone else ,so Roland was already in the business of unbalancing the squad.

There will be plenty of time for Roland to sort out wage structures and squad policies in the summer but this was a 'needs must' situation and in my opinion he let us down.

oohaahmortimer said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

Why throw in better deals for anyone else?

Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?

Do you not think that they've been looking elsewhere with their agents at securing deals come the end of the season,
do you not think that if the teams they'd made contact with had wanted them as much as Bournemouth wanted Yann that they'd have kept Schtum and not looked to increase their contracts ????
Come on perleeeeease
It's dog eat dog out there , every man for themselves
Those players aren't as good as Yann

Absolutely, players will always look after number one that's why Yann took the money, left and good luck to him.

NWCorner said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Not forgetting the presence of Kermo defensively who for us made so many defensive clearances aerially and would drop in to midfield to help hem out in battles

Answering NWCorners question I'd have pulled him in with my footballing advisers and manager and sorted things out , rather than asking my gopher to be the inbetween of it all

But they did get him in on the Thursday, after he had spoke to AFCB, after the twitter storm and it wasn't KM doin the dealing it was Martin
Protheroe. Yann was asked what he wanted, more money ? Player/Manager assurances ? Security for your family ?
Yanns answer was security. MP offered him a 2yr deal from this Summer on decent money, not Bournemouth money. Yann threw his arms in the air and walked out. The rest is history.
I thought he was a great player !
Rightly or wrongly he has gone !
Have we replaced him ? No
Were we pulling up trees with him in the side ? Not really
Would he of kept us up ? Who knows. He might of got injured next game !
Mistakes have been made but hopefully the club/owners will learn from it, learn how tough our leagues are, we can stay up and then build from there.

Perhaps Yann could still remember the promises made to Haynes and Fuller about new contracts at the end of last season. Talk is cheap.
Don't sell him, let him play to the end of the season and walk for free.
If a contract extension is triggered - both sides can mutually cancel it should they wish to.

Overall, let's keep in mind that YK has given any number of interviews about his departure, while our Board still refuse to even tell us how much we got for him - maybe they are ashamed of this huge mistake.

Bottom line is: We are in crisis and would be better with YK in the squad, our Board are throwing us false season ticket deadlines, Polish players that can't even make the reserves, goalkeepers that refuse to get on the bus but are still in the squad, free wifi and match programmes, compulsory seat moving - or maybe not, loads of players expected to get us out of the mess this season without any guarantee of their own future, a change of manager for a bloke we have never heard of, and his assistant likewise, along with a World Cup star who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, and a bloke who can only play for an hour tops. You can't tell if it's voucher Z or bring your own lawn.

Amateurs.

Airman Brown said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

Why throw in better deals for anyone else?

Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?

There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more on RD's nonsense signings.

What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.

We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.

Airman, I totally agree that Yann hasn't been replaced, RD has totally underestimated our league and his replacements aren't great. I don't for one minute believe that RD doesn't care. I think he is having to clean up a big mess on and off the field left by the previous lot.

NWCorner said:

Airman Brown said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

Why throw in better deals for anyone else?

Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?

There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more on RD's nonsense signings.

What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.

We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.

Airman, I totally agree that Yann hasn't been replaced, RD has totally underestimated our league and his replacements aren't great. I don't for one minute believe that RD doesn't care. I think he is having to clean up a big mess on and off the field left by the previous lot.

Agreed, but that was what he bought. Caveat emptor and all that. They say that someone who represents themselves in court has a fool for client - I suspect something similar applies to someone who does their own due diligence when buying a football club.

NWCorner said:

Airman Brown said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

NWCorner said:

carly burn said:

Greenie said:

So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants?
Thankfully none if you run our football club!

Yes. I absolutely do

Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.

Why throw in better deals for anyone else?

Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?

There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more on RD's nonsense signings.

What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.

We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.

Airman, I totally agree that Yann hasn't been replaced, RD has totally underestimated our league and his replacements aren't great. I don't for one minute believe that RD doesn't care. I think he is having to clean up a big mess on and off the field left by the previous lot.

If you want to start cleaning up a mess you don't start by kicking out the key asset to keeping your club secure at Championship level, you start with non-entitys like Evina and you kick out these stupid loans you are paying wages week in week out and aren't even playing them far near enough.

It's like starting a car boot sale by selling your car, after that you're always going to struggle to keep it together. YK is an unreal footballer, imagine being told to mark him for 90 minutes and imagine being told to mark spongefoot for 90.....

PL54 said:

He was offered a contract and turned it down having previously refused to play to avoid a contract extension. Charlton to the core.

The devil is in the detail my friend, do you know specifically what the contract was, how long, how much? The shorter and less money the less fair on him - he has a family and a life to sustain in England.

PL54 said:

He was offered a contract and turned it down having previously refused to play to avoid a contract extension. Charlton to the core.

And we are left with Sordell.
A man who gives it all for the cause

People need to realise that the football world spins differently to the one most of us operate in.

SELR_addicks said:

Wonder if any other teams eulogise a player that refuses to play for the club and then holds the chairman hostage for more money at 32 years old?

Be annoyed at the lack of adequate replacement, but Yann is no legend.

As one not in the know, do we know this for a fact? What was in YK's contract after the next game? Was it an auto renewal or trigger an option for the club or player? If it was the player's option, why shouldn't he negotiate? If it was the club's, they clearly didn't take it up.

oohaahmortimer said:

dickplumb said:

Where does everybody get the figure of £700000 for Polish Pete from? As far as I know it has never been disclosed.

I've heard it from a good source

So have I, and furthermore that there are future add-ons. however the figure may be in euros.

It was confirmed for me last week. I joined the de Graafschap fans forum, and there exactly this figure is widely discussed as a fact.

There is another urban legend going around, which I give no more or less creedence to than NLA's version of events.

It is that Katrien was so taken aback by the firestorm from the fans when it became clear he was off, that she phoned RD to ask if he might not want to reconsider.

Now, if he had been sold because he had been "holding RD to ransom", "tried to play hardball and lost", and all the other romantic macho urban legend fantasy, do you really think Katrien would even bother to make such a call?