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Sean McGinty

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,471
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20241136

    Lost his way a bit according to Carlisle boss but tall, quick and can play LCH or LB.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,637
    Henry Irving said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20241136

    Lost his way a bit according to Carlisle boss but tall, quick and can play LCH or LB.

    Hope the carlisle boss is right would like him to be another Charlton youth we can be proud of. he has time on his side and hopefully the "Centre halves take longer to mature" theory means he will be in the England squad in a few years.

  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,233
    Kap10 said:

    Henry Irving said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20241136

    Lost his way a bit according to Carlisle boss but tall, quick and can play LCH or LB.

    Hope the carlisle boss is right would like him to be another Charlton youth we can be proud of. he has time on his side and hopefully the "Centre halves take longer to mature" theory means he will be in the England squad in a few years.

    Although born in Kent, he's been in the Republic Of Ireland youth teams and with a name like that I'd have thought England would not really be in his thoughts although you never know!
  • heavenSE7
    heavenSE7 Posts: 1,282
    He is English and has English parents. As far as I understand ROI showed interest, treated him well and as soon as he moved to United the English FA wanted him in the squad.

    My inside scoop on him going to Carlilse was Ferguson called him in the office told him pack his bags, get the train to Preston and meet the team in the hotel last night, find the manager and introduce yourself to the squad. Old school.
  • buckshee
    buckshee Posts: 7,874
    Been released by Sheffield United I see. Seems to have totally lost his way.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Makes that 500k look like we got a great deal.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,412
    kentaddick said:

    Makes that 500k look like we got a great deal.

    Certainly does for us. Gomez and Poyet should take note of what it did for McGinty.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,047
    Wow... Lost his way is an understatement, really does cement my opinion that kids who want to start out at the big clubs are misguided idiots
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    edited May 2014
    I was led to believe he went off the rails a bit at Manure enjoying the highlife and Fergi read him the riot act and sent him out on loan. Sadly he doesn't seem to have recovered from this fall from grace but there is a footballer in there and IMO needs a father like figure old school manager to put their arm around him and get him back on track before it is too late. Brian Clough would have been ideal to sort him out surprised Nigel couldn't.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Defoe aside, there dont seem many who go on to bigger,better things eventually. However, maybe thats symptomatic of most kids at that time of their career - i wonder what it is about British young players who seem to fall by the wayside, and yet Spain for example can keep churning them out.?

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  • Mundell Fleming
    Mundell Fleming Posts: 854
    He may never have had the ability. We'll never know. However, I'd love to hear Greg Dyke's assessment. He wants to give the big Clubs much more control over youth development. Hmm. Here we have a boy who developed sufficiently at a "small" Club to be valued at £500,000 at just sixteen. Wind the clock forward a few years and he's on the scrap heap. If you could turn the clock back what would you advise him to do Greg?
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    The_President said:

    Defoe aside, there dont seem many who go on to bigger,better things eventually. However, maybe thats symptomatic of most kids at that time of their career - i wonder what it is about British young players who seem to fall by the wayside, and yet Spain for example can keep churning them out.?

    Mmmmm....did you mean just from Charlton?

    I could name you oodles of players who left the football league by being poached by PL sides and have gone onto bigger and better things. Of course, a significantly higher percentage of players fall beside the wayside.

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    The_President said:

    Defoe aside, there dont seem many who go on to bigger,better things eventually. However, maybe thats symptomatic of most kids at that time of their career - i wonder what it is about British young players who seem to fall by the wayside, and yet Spain for example can keep churning them out.?

    Spain have b teams, the fa aren't trying to do anything about that and loads of clubs want to help... Oh wait.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 64,284
    Kasey Palmer is the next one to watch...
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    edited May 2014
    Mundell Fleming said:

    He may never have had the ability. We'll never know. However, I'd love to hear Greg Dyke's assessment. He wants to give the big Clubs much more control over youth development. Hmm. Here we have a boy who developed sufficiently at a "small" Club to be valued at £500,000 at just sixteen. Wind the clock forward a few years and he's on the scrap heap. If you could turn the clock back what would you advise him to do Greg?

    With the benefit of the alledged misdemeanours I reckon it would be something along these lines;
    'Steer clear of the birds and booze and work damned hard at perfecting the gift you have been given to play the beautiful game to a very high standard and make yourself financially secure for the rest of your life'.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    The trouble is with Sean he liked clubbing and booze more than he liked playing football. At sixteen he was one of the best prospects I had seen in many years. Man U thought so too. Such a pity.
  • C_A_F_C
    C_A_F_C Posts: 3,878
    dickplumb said:

    The trouble is with Sean he liked clubbing and booze more than he liked playing football. At sixteen he was one of the best prospects I had seen in many years. Man U thought so too. Such a pity.

    How did he compare to Joe Gomez?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    calydon_road said:

    The_President said:

    Defoe aside, there dont seem many who go on to bigger,better things eventually. However, maybe thats symptomatic of most kids at that time of their career - i wonder what it is about British young players who seem to fall by the wayside, and yet Spain for example can keep churning them out.?

    Mmmmm....did you mean just from Charlton?

    I could name you oodles of players who left the football league by being poached by PL sides and have gone onto bigger and better things. Of course, a significantly higher percentage of players fall beside the wayside.

    Hmmm, i was probably thinking Charlton at the beginning of the sentence, but had morphed seamlessly into a more wider British perspective by the end of it !

    Name some of your names, then i can have an understanding.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited May 2014
    Depends on Charlton...where is the cut off though? Any first team appearances allowed?

    If not then just Defoe and lets see with Palmer.

    But allow some appearances and you can quickly include lots of players. Jenkinson, Shelvey, Bowyer, Parker..all poached IMO to different extents and differing levels of opposition by us. Parker is a good case in point. Ok we got 10M but it was a classic example of the kind of transfer that is not good for the game. Parker wasted 2 years of his career and Abramovich bought that CL place for 10M. Of course Scott was established by then but the sour taste was that Chelsea didnt want him particularly..they just wanted to eliminate the competition that season.

    In terms of youth poaching generally Spurs is a good place to start. Followed closely by man utd.

    I was teasing my mate about no spudz in the last England squad and that their youth is shite they just poach at 15-19. He starts claiming Walker but of course he was Sheff Utd. Same for danny rose and huddlestone. Last quality player spurs produced all the way up was Ledley.

    Starting with the England team

    Joe hart (shrewsbury got fook all in real terms) - 50 odd games for Shrews
    Glenn johnson - 20 odd games for Hammers
    R sterling (qpr got fook all) - 0 games for QPR
    Lallana (bournemouth got fook all but have apparently got a clause for a % of any sale now) -0 games for Cherries

    I would guess a fair few more and am sure I could have a list of 25 - 50 pretty quickly

    And its increasing. We need to look at the compensation model. You need to have the non PL teams incentivised to produce youth for the wider interests of the long term future of National game.

    IMO is getting worse with more and more transfers at younger ages. Any team outside tier 1 is getting their boys robbed from England U15 upwards. Only the parents can stop and it seems the majority would take the money.

    I find it sad that the 90 minute rule in terms of players living near to the club was abused by teams such as Man City and Chelsea who simply bought the parents of 15 year olds new houses within that zone.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    calydon_road said:

    Depends on Charlton...where is the cut off though? Any first team appearances allowed

    No, not just CAFC. make it a more wider scale where kids have been poached from smaller clubs to say, the big 12 and been successful.

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  • Miserableoldgit
    Miserableoldgit Posts: 21,458
    Callumcafc said:

    Kasey Palmer is the next one to watch...

    Yep, john terry will look after him and......oh, right.

  • heavenSE7
    heavenSE7 Posts: 1,282
    Managerial change didn't help with Sheffield United in a bad position. Finished the season at Rochdale and will probably sign on a permenant deal.
  • buckshee
    buckshee Posts: 7,874
    Have a look at the programme from when we played Man U in the youth cup at the valley a few years back. Pretty much every one of their youths had been signed from another side.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    Sounds like a player who thought he had made it before he had. Being signed for a decent fee by Man Utd probably didn't help him in that respect. There can be all sorts of reasons though - injuries, coaching, drive etc...And boys can develop at different rates and times. Sometimes something can just click into place relatively late.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,950
    Whatever the reason for his 'fall from grace', it's a shame when anyone doesn't live up to their potential - but it does hurt every time Judas Defoe puts tha ball in the back of the net.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    No one compares to Gomez IMO he will be the one we talk about the most if we can get him signed and over the line
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,370
    edited May 2014
    So we cleaned out of the deal , got 500k for a chuff player who is worth nothing ..... He got some dough as well and he's pony , so he cleaned ....... Or if he had stayed at Charlton he would have become a much better player and gone on to have a successful career ........ No one knows what's round the corner , so these players have to take the money when its there ,cos it may not be there in the future IMO
    A bird in the hand ........
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,067
    edited May 2014
    Isn't a case that a lot of these young men get vast wages for their age compared to normal workers, think they got it made and then go off the boil? When they sign for these large clubs.

    Curbs called them baby Bentleys.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,410
    calydon_road said:

    Depends on Charlton...where is the cut off though? Any first team appearances allowed?

    If not then just Defoe and lets see with Palmer.

    But allow some appearances and you can quickly include lots of players. Jenkinson, Shelvey, Bowyer, Parker..all poached IMO to different extents and differing levels of opposition by us. Parker is a good case in point. Ok we got 10M but it was a classic example of the kind of transfer that is not good for the game. Parker wasted 2 years of his career and Abramovich bought that CL place for 10M. Of course Scott was established by then but the sour taste was that Chelsea didnt want him particularly..they just wanted to eliminate the competition that season.

    In terms of youth poaching generally Spurs is a good place to start. Followed closely by man utd.

    I was teasing my mate about no spudz in the last England squad and that their youth is shite they just poach at 15-19. He starts claiming Walker but of course he was Sheff Utd. Same for danny rose and huddlestone. Last quality player spurs produced all the way up was Ledley.

    Starting with the England team

    Joe hart (shrewsbury got fook all in real terms) - 50 odd games for Shrews
    Glenn johnson - 20 odd games for Hammers
    R sterling (qpr got fook all) - 0 games for QPR
    Lallana (bournemouth got fook all but have apparently got a clause for a % of any sale now) -0 games for Cherries

    I would guess a fair few more and am sure I could have a list of 25 - 50 pretty quickly

    And its increasing. We need to look at the compensation model. You need to have the non PL teams incentivised to produce youth for the wider interests of the long term future of National game.

    IMO is getting worse with more and more transfers at younger ages. Any team outside tier 1 is getting their boys robbed from England U15 upwards. Only the parents can stop and it seems the majority would take the money.

    I find it sad that the 90 minute rule in terms of players living near to the club was abused by teams such as Man City and Chelsea who simply bought the parents of 15 year olds new houses within that zone.

    Out of your 4 examples, West ham got 6m for Johnson (a very fair price), while QPR will eventually get a decent fee for Sterling. Shrewsbury got very little for Hart, but then back when he signed for Man City, Man City weren't the super rich giants that they are now, and got lucky. Or, they signed a talented young player (with his head screwed on) and made him better. Lallana joined Soton as a 12 year old, so it Soton who turned him into a great player through the hard years.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    He sounds like a Roland project. Perhaps an old mentor at Sparrows Lane can get him focused.

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