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Paul Ellis (edited. may be leaving soon)

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  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,443
    Best wishes for the future Paul, however it pans out.

    Have always been grateful for reserving me programmes in the past.
  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,440
    Good days on the road with Lewis Coaches in the 1970s one of the old school,catch you down The Valley on next visit.Hope you get what you want.
  • Alex Wright
    Alex Wright Posts: 8,214
    Paul was also one of the 60 Valley party candidates in the 1990 local elections. If I remember rightly his ward was the first result announced on the night of the count.
  • sadiejane1981
    sadiejane1981 Posts: 9,012
    Henry Irving said:

    apologies to paul. it was said on another thread that he'd left. hpphpoe
    e it works out for Paul

    Thanks, nd cheers for edit, no doubt Paul will comment when he can
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,792
    Alex Wright said:

    Paul was also one of the 60 Valley party candidates in the 1990 local elections. If I remember rightly his ward was the first result announced on the night of the count.

    Not quite, but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal.
  • ellisaddick
    ellisaddick Posts: 1,435
    Nothing to do with the valley party or Paul then, why say that you are a strange man?
  • sadiejane1981
    sadiejane1981 Posts: 9,012
    Airman Brown said:

    Alex Wright said:

    Paul was also one of the 60 Valley party candidates in the 1990 local elections. If I remember rightly his ward was the first result announced on the night of the count.

    Not quite, but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal.
    First you publically announce his redundancy before it actually happens, without even speaking to him (still want to know your source) then you try and belittle his achievement in the valley party? What is wrong with you? Paul hasn't wronged you in any way he hasn't got a bad bone in his body. So why so bitter toward him?

  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,150
    edited June 2014
    I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,040
    AFKABartram said:

    I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.


    Agree with this . I think Airman was only trying to correct a factual error that another poster had written and then explained what Paul's role actually was . He wasn't trying to belittle Paul's election result in my view , just trying to give it some context and historical accuracy .

    In terms of his job I also agree . Paul is someone who has done nothing but good for many of us other the years and I would not want to speculate about his position if he is at risk of redundancy and in his 30 day consultation period. Good luck Paul.

    Let's now follow the normal Charlton Life advice and wait until it is announced on the OS.
  • sadiejane1981
    sadiejane1981 Posts: 9,012
    AFKABartram said:

    I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.

    Ok fair enough maybe he wasn't belittling him but it sounded like it. I still want to know his source though (correction Paul wants to know).

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  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    edited June 2014
    sadiejane1981 said:

    AFKABartram said:

    I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.

    Ok fair enough maybe he wasn't belittling him but it sounded like it. I still want to know his source though (correction Paul wants to know).
    Airman Brown said:


    May 2 edited May 2

    In fact the disclosure of such personal information held by the club is illegal, which would be a matter for the club's own internal procedures in the first instance.

  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,640
    Richard J said:

    AFKABartram said:

    I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.


    Agree with this . I think Airman was only trying to correct a factual error that another poster had written and then explained what Paul's role actually was . He wasn't trying to belittle Paul's election result in my view , just trying to give it some context and historical accuracy .

    In terms of his job I also agree . Paul is someone who has done nothing but good for many of us other the years and I would not want to speculate about his position if he is at risk of redundancy and in his 30 day consultation period. Good luck Paul.

    Let's now follow the normal Charlton Life advice and wait until it is announced on the OS.
    I agree but he could have just said

    "Not quite"

    He cold have even added

    "but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park"

    But adding

    " - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal."

    does disparage Pauls achievement and for that matter the Valley parties achievement , for no good reason.

    I am sure Airman did not mean it and that he has also spoken to Sadie in private regarding his source, although i would understand if he were not revealing it.
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,702
    edited June 2014
    Airman is a proven journalist with VoV, he was also a senior exec so I think if he says it he means it. On many subjects his input is helpful and insiteful but on this occasion he would have been better served to keep his fingers off his keyboard, SadieJane and Paul deserve a reply be it private or public.
  • ellisaddick
    ellisaddick Posts: 1,435
    Airman Brown has become spiteful since his own dismissal from the club, his bitterness is there for all to see, now he is stating that disclosure of such information is illegal , if so why publicise it except for your own point scoring.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    I don't think the comment about the Valley Party was intended to be spiteful and we shouldn't be looking at it in that way. I think it was, as has been said a case of giving the achievement some context. Agree though that it wasn't helpful to have the news broadcast on here until it was checked whether it would upset or embaress Paul Ellis first. Although, it is an expose on what is going on with our club and would have been reasonable to mention if that condition was satisfied.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,792
    Frankly the idea I would be spiteful towards Paul is beyond silly and not worth a response. I've been working on my book chapter about the Valley Party so the detail was fresh in my mind.

    I've got all the redundancy information at the club, as have the local press, but kept it off here out of respect for those involved - except regarding Bradshaw, who doesn't deserve any respect. There are others going.

    Yesterday I was led to believe that Paul's situation had been finalised. Evidently I jumped the gun, so apologies to him for that, but really it was only posted because I thought people would want to know and there seemed little chance of the club understanding or reflecting that.
  • ellisaddick
    ellisaddick Posts: 1,435
    You have still not revealed your source, Paul is far from happy at this being in the public domain and he has the right to know who divulged it.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,792
    edited June 2014
    ellisaddick said:

    You have still not revealed your source, Paul is far from happy at this being in the public domain and he has the right to know who divulged it.

    And obviously I'm not going to, but as I say I have all the information and so do lots of other people inside and outside the club. It's a bit unrealistic to imagine that when people are put at risk - including senior managers - and there is a consultation process the details won't spread far and wide.
  • ellisaddick
    ellisaddick Posts: 1,435
    You are even lower in my estimations now, you talk of it would be silly to think you would be spiteful towards Paul but wish to respect the source of your information and at the same time saying others are involved and not giving their names.
    Seems like double standards to me!
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Is Bradshaw the person who sacked Airman?

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,462
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnywayyyyyy... good luck, Paul. Very best wishes.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    PL54 said:

    Is Bradshaw the person who sacked Airman?

    Protheroe wasn't his favourite confidant either :-0
  • sadiejane1981
    sadiejane1981 Posts: 9,012
    edited June 2014
    Airman Brown said:

    Frankly the idea I would be spiteful towards Paul is beyond silly and not worth a response. I've been working on my book chapter about the Valley Party so the detail was fresh in my mind.

    I've got all the redundancy information at the club, as have the local press, but kept it off here out of respect for those involved - except regarding Bradshaw, who doesn't deserve any respect. There are others going.

    Yesterday I was led to believe that Paul's situation had been finalised. Evidently I jumped the gun, so apologies to him for that, but really it was only posted because I thought people would want to know and there seemed little chance of the club understanding or reflecting that.

    Firstly, it was not in the public domain or divulged to or by anyone in the media, it was you that leaked information that wasn't even completely accurate. Secondly you say that you kept quiet out of respect except for Bradshaw, but you mentioned the redundancy of Paul and Bradshaw in the same post. Thirdly you know better than anyone the consequences of posting private club business on here so why even mention about Paul whilst he was/is still at the club, knowing it could potentially make things worse for him? Finally if you were in doubt or concerned at all about Paul or even wanting to know the real facts then why not call him and ask him, when you have his number? Or at least ask if he minds being mentioned? Your comment regarding the valley party was saying that Paul wouldn't have got as many votes if the other parties had a better showing so you was belittling his performance intentionally or not it wasn't really necessary.

    Oh and just to add you must have a source at the valley telling you these things and if you can't tell me who it is at least call Paul and tell him.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    I am with you all the way with this Sadie. You do not put this on a fans Forum without discussing it first with the person concerned. Poor form.
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,702
    dickplumb said:

    I am with you all the way with this Sadie. You do not put this on a fans Forum without discussing it first with the person concerned. Poor form.

    I second that
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    It might be best to close this thread now. If the individual is upset with Airman, then it is probably right he seeks a converstaion with him and that we don't compound any embaressment by publicising what should be a private conversation.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    It might be best to close this thread now. If the individual is upset with Airman, then it is probably right he seeks a converstaion with him and that we don't compound any embaressment by publicising what should be a private conversation.

    Agree.

    And apologies again to Paul.

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