He - that's the real Poyet - not the one in your head, has clearly stated that he is not (that's NOT - N.O.T) negotiating with any other clubs, why do you insist on inserting this into every post? If he is negotiating then that makes him a liar, on top of everything else!
where and when did he say he was NOT negotiating with any other clubs ?
Do you not think you could give them a pretty good start in life earning 10 grand a week at nineteen, and then a year later ten times that much when you move onto the big club that you (as Deigo) clearly think you deserve to be at?
maybe he's not sure the big club opportunity or £100k a week contract is gonna be there in a years time , hence he has to make hay why the sun shines i'm sure if someone said another year at Charlton then £100k a week 4 year contract at Arsenal/Chelsea/Man Utd is guaranteed in a years time he'd take that but that's not gonna happen
He is confident enough of his star quality to walk out on the club with apparently no other offer on the table from elsewhere though, isn't he?
i'm pretty sure he'd have been offered a deal elsewhere or know that clubs would have contacted his agent about him
would he have been able to speak to other clubs with 6 months of his contract left to run ?
Sorry - I stand corrected on point one - the wording of the club statement suggested that he was walking away to explore other options, not his words. I took that to mean he has told Charlton that he has no firm offer from any one club.
On point two, he would have been able to speak to clubs within an hour of signing a new contract - maybe not legally, but it happens all the time as we well know. But had he signed that contract, and inserted a £2m buyout clause, we would have at least got back a bit more of what had been invested in him. And why would he be offered a deal elsewhere now but not in six, twelve or eighteen months if he's that confident?
Where is this if "he's that confident"coming from or is that how you're reading the situation Maybe he isn't that confident so he's gonna make hay why the sunshines
He has walked out of a job where he has a new contract with a substantial pay offer on the table.
In a funny way, i can respect this opinion more then people trying to tell us that we should not feel bitter that a 19 year old who our club turned in to a top class player has walked out for nothing because he is doing what is best for himself/his family financially.
What sort of 19 year old can hope to live off the 500k(if not more) a year, that we would have offered.
Edit: Just to add, i do agree that anyone giving him personal abuse on twitter or the like, is a moron but that is different to most of us on here who are being critical of him.
Very dodgy. Although as part of the Network, we are in non position to point fingers.
But if it's true, what pisses me off is that he'd be far better off on loan at Standard, playing European football in a passionate atmosphere.
I see his dad all over this. Knob.
That's true, but Abramovich has denied that Chelsea or he owns them. At least Roland is open about (most of) his clubs.
Abramovic denies a lot of things, although in some of them he is encouraged to do so by the obliging government with their ridiculous "no tax for rich non domiciled" status. (poor non-domiciled, such as me, are still liable for UK tax). Just another reason to hate that whole oligarch circus.
Obviously I'm gutted he has gone and I'd have loved to have seen him play until Jan and get us a substantial fee! However I can see his reasons for leaving and can't say I wouldn't have done the same! Still I hope he does well and whenever I see him in the future I will look on with immense pride and say made in Charlton! If he continues to impress he should walk into the England team in a few years as we lack a proper holding midfielder..
I don't think buyens is a direct replacement.. He looks more like a box to box midfielder who like to get forward more and will stick a few in the net.. more of a cousins then a Poyet!
I am upset that he is leaving, thought he would do, even expected him to do so....... but like so many young players I do think if he wants to play at a higher level/league he will have a bit of a wait, and probably a frustrating time. Yes, I voted for him as player of the year, because I regarded him as 'one of our own'. Personally, I thought he was one of the players who kept us in this league. Of course I was hoping he would stay till at least Christmas, but that would have meant signing a new contract. But I am sure his father/Agent could have advised him about a clause if a so called top club came along. What really adds salt to the wound is no money, or very little for a very talented young prospect. But that is the risk with developing the academy for the future....... What steps can be taken if any to secure these players?. So any answers on that one........
Very dodgy. Although as part of the Network, we are in non position to point fingers.
But if it's true, what pisses me off is that he'd be far better off on loan at Standard, playing European football in a passionate atmosphere.
I see his dad all over this. Knob.
That's true, but Abramovich has denied that Chelsea or he owns them. At least Roland is open about (most of) his clubs.
Abramovic denies a lot of things, although in some of them he is encouraged to do so by the obliging government with their ridiculous "no tax for rich non domiciled" status. (poor non-domiciled, such as me, are still liable for UK tax). Just another reason to hate that whole oligarch circus.
Sorry to be a pedant but how can Abrahmovich ever deny anything? He never comments on anything and has never even given an interview.
It would be nice to think that these young players that Charlton have developed would sign a contract knowing they will go and giving us a 'golden handshake' transfer fee ...instead of fck you I am off ? Hey ho...
Certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouth. No loyalty from the young man at all. Has done nothing wrong legally but in my opinion it sucks. Similar to how I feel about Defoe !!!
He - that's the real Poyet - not the one in your head, has clearly stated that he is not (that's NOT - N.O.T) negotiating with any other clubs, why do you insist on inserting this into every post? If he is negotiating then that makes him a liar, on top of everything else!
where and when did he say he was NOT negotiating with any other clubs ?
Do you not think you could give them a pretty good start in life earning 10 grand a week at nineteen, and then a year later ten times that much when you move onto the big club that you (as Deigo) clearly think you deserve to be at?
maybe he's not sure the big club opportunity or £100k a week contract is gonna be there in a years time , hence he has to make hay why the sun shines i'm sure if someone said another year at Charlton then £100k a week 4 year contract at Arsenal/Chelsea/Man Utd is guaranteed in a years time he'd take that but that's not gonna happen
He is confident enough of his star quality to walk out on the club with apparently no other offer on the table from elsewhere though, isn't he?
i'm pretty sure he'd have been offered a deal elsewhere or know that clubs would have contacted his agent about him
would he have been able to speak to other clubs with 6 months of his contract left to run ?
Sorry - I stand corrected on point one - the wording of the club statement suggested that he was walking away to explore other options, not his words. I took that to mean he has told Charlton that he has no firm offer from any one club.
On point two, he would have been able to speak to clubs within an hour of signing a new contract - maybe not legally, but it happens all the time as we well know. But had he signed that contract, and inserted a £2m buyout clause, we would have at least got back a bit more of what had been invested in him. And why would he be offered a deal elsewhere now but not in six, twelve or eighteen months if he's that confident?
Where is this if "he's that confident"coming from or is that how you're reading the situation Maybe he isn't that confident so he's gonna make hay why the sunshines
He has walked out of a job where he has a new contract with a substantial pay offer on the table.
for a better one , as much as i don't like it i can see where he's coming from
This is different to Scott Parker .He left us when it was our high tide and we potentially could have made the Champions League ,Diego leaves us as a very different club. If it hadn't have been for him along with one or two others like Ajdarevic I think we would have got relegated . Remember we weakened our squad in January , Diego's development was a real bonus for us.
Pre Xmas we thought that Cousins was the better prospect and that Diego wasn't ready for first team . I have interpreted Gus Poyet as saying that he wanted his son to develop at another club as being at an academy. I think he will take a different view now he has played 20 games for us . It wouldn't surprise me if he goes to join his Dad at Sunderland. I just hope he doesn't go somewhere in the CCC or a rival like Palace.
I also think he was always going to take his career a year at a time. I don't think he would ever have signed for longer . Gus saw us as a good bet for his son because we were local and allowed Diego to finish his education . We were happy to oblige because he was such a talent.
Good luck Diego I will follow your career with interest.
He had 20 games for us in the Championship. Agreed, he was fantastic in many of them. His positional sense, tackling and short passing are real strengths.
He was exactly what we needed at the time. Someone instantly recognisable, someone who stood out, someone who other players wanted a bit of a battle with. He was partly responsible for us staying up. He is a very good player.
However, he has played 20 first team matches. He is nowhere near the 'made it' tag. If he had stayed I would have watched him this year with great interest. Part of me feels that he would not have replicated the form he showed last season. It would be very difficult to maintain man of the match performances game after game...especially alongside what we hope are better quality players.
I think he has made a mistake. I fear his progress will be halted somewhat by not being at a club who knows him well, who would have nurtured him and allowed for him to make mistakes. As would we as fans and supporters.
I can't help thinking of John Bostock and what happened to his career. I hope Diego goes on to have a long, successful and illustrious career.
I understand Diego qualifies for England, Spain and Uruguay. Hypothetically speaking, if all offered him the chance to play, would his main consideration be a matter for his heart or the financial reward he could gain? On evidence so far I think his bank balance would top the list.
After all is said and done, it is completely down to the eight years of coaching and nurturing he received at Charlton which has put him in this fantastic position. Would it really be so bad to show some appreciation of that by signing a short term contract? Its not as though he’d be making a pauper of himself by doing it.
Well he has has played all his youth football with England, England has developed him as a player and given him a chance ahead of other prospects…so Uruguay it will be probably.
I understand Diego qualifies for England, Spain and Uruguay. Hypothetically speaking, if all offered him the chance to play, would his main consideration be a matter for his heart or the financial reward he could gain? On evidence so far I think his bank balance would top the list.
After all is said and done, it is completely down to the eight years of coaching and nurturing he received at Charlton which has put him in this fantastic position. Would it really be so bad to show some appreciation of that by signing a short term contract? Its not as though he’d be making a pauper of himself by doing it.
Well he has has played all his youth football with England, England has developed him as a player and given him a chance ahead of other prospects…so Uruguay it will be probably.
If he plays for Uruguay, he may add the bite they will be missing
He was gone from the second the final whistle blew at Blackpool and I suspect his dad had made the right people in right places aware of this well before the season ended.
All this bollocks about Powell, Riga and the direction of the club is a smokescreen.
He is a good player but is far from a great one. Imo Parker and Bowyer were far better at equivalent times in their Charlton careers. I believe his lack of pace will prevent him really progressing at the highest level.
If he goes to Chelsea he will be miles from the first team and with the wealth of talent they have might struggle to get a regular game in their U21s.
I'd have far more respect for him if he had come out and said he was off straight away as he wanted to play at a higher level. He's basically used the transitional state at the club to make himself look the good guy.
Can't be arsed to throw abuse at him as in all honesty I'm not really that bothered - I wrote him off as soon as the season ended.
Very dodgy. Although as part of the Network, we are in non position to point fingers.
But if it's true, what pisses me off is that he'd be far better off on loan at Standard, playing European football in a passionate atmosphere.
I see his dad all over this. Knob.
That's true, but Abramovich has denied that Chelsea or he owns them. At least Roland is open about (most of) his clubs.
Abramovic denies a lot of things, although in some of them he is encouraged to do so by the obliging government with their ridiculous "no tax for rich non domiciled" status. (poor non-domiciled, such as me, are still liable for UK tax). Just another reason to hate that whole oligarch circus.
Sorry to be a pedant but how can Abrahmovich ever deny anything? He never comments on anything and has never even given an interview.
He has presumably denied to HMRC that he has any significant footprint in the UK, and therefore has no domicile. I suppose he argued that the geezer in the directors box at most Chelsea games is a body double there for security reasons, while he is in fact in a quiet corner of the Vitesse Arnhem stadium.
My question to HMRC would be: if he is not domiciled in the UK , where the **** is he domiciled?
He was gone from the second the final whistle blew at Blackpool and I suspect his dad had made the right people in right places aware of this well before the season ended.
All this bollocks about Powell, Riga and the direction of the club is a smokescreen.
He is a good player but is far from a great one. Imo Parker and Bowyer were far better at equivalent times in their Charlton careers. I believe his lack of pace will prevent him really progressing at the highest level.
If he goes to Chelsea he will be miles from the first team and with the wealth of talent they have might struggle to get a regular game in their U21s.
I'd have far more respect for him if he had come out and said he was off straight away as he wanted to play at a higher level. He's basically used the transitional state at the club to make himself look the good guy.
Can't be arsed to throw abuse at him as in all honesty I'm not really that bothered - I wrote him off as soon as the season ended.
I make you right. I see no reason to think the club are lying about offering him a contract a few months ago, he didn't sign it then and was never going to. I have said before and still maintain that his dear old dad has been advising him to play the waiting game - the more impressive he looked, the more his value would rise. He's going to get better wages now than he would have six months ago at any club, and the lack of a transfer fee means clubs that might have passed, now won't as he is relatively cheap. He's looked out for Numero Uno, and perhaps that is his prerogative. Still stings a bit though, but regardless of their relative quality now, this time next season Cousins will be the better player, simply for the extra experience and game time he will have had.
As I am sitting at home right now I am picturing the scene in the Poyet household.
Diego is watching Eastenders with his girlfriend and casually brings into conversation that 'x' club have offered him 20k a week, an increase of about 15k on what he is on at Charlton.
His girlfriend goes wild with excitement, and screams "when do you sign"?
He tells her I cannot as Charlton have been so good to me and I owe them a lot.
She tells him not to be such a **** and just sign the f****** contract!
As I am sitting at home right now I am picturing the scene in the Poyet household.
Diego is watching Eastenders with his girlfriend and casually brings into conversation that 'x' club have offered him 20k a week, an increase of about 15k on what he is on at Charlton.
His girlfriend goes wild with excitement, and screams "when do you sign"?
He tells her I cannot as Charlton have been so good to me and I owe them a lot.
She tells him not to be such a **** and just sign the f****** contract!
She is right you know.
His missus sounds like a right gold digging sloshpot
Obviously hugely disappointing news, but not surprising and not catastrophic in my view - looking forward to Cousins getting a good run in the centre.
I haven't read through all of the post-news stuff, but as I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of the club, contract negotiations etc all I can say is from where I'm sitting I don't see what Poyet has done that's so wrong. He saw out his contract, didn't ask for a transfer and sulk when things were turning to s**t, the club made a better offer than he was on (fair play to the club for that) and he decided not to accept it.
The loyalty argument is overdone. How loyal has 'the club' been to heroes/fan favourites such as Clive Mendonca (allegedly selling off his medals to get by l believe) and Carl Leaburn (now a security guard) to name but two. I doubt that's how they saw things panning out when they retired, and some could justifiably argue that the club doesn't have any obligation to any ex-employee. Poyet is therefore entitled to do the best for himself, and as long as he hasn't cheated anyone or ripped them off, then he should be allowed to do that with his head held high. The club is in a better position than was looking likely thanks to his contribution, and the club will go on after he's gone.
The point l'm making is that it's a short career and as long as a player can say he gave his all when he played and wasn't stealing a living, he should be allowed to seek to better himself without rancour. If he had been injured for 3 years taking wages and then buggered off as soon as he got fit, that might be different. And the fact is, none of us know what was going on behind the scenes, his view on Powell's sacking, change of ownership etc or anything else that may have influenced his decision. But this is what l think l know:
1. Poyet was a significant factor in our staying up. 2. He didn't let anyone down on the field 3. He was playing at a level he had never played at before and still excelled 4. So good was he, he was voted POTY - couldn't do much more than that 5. When he did have a bad game at Brighton, he made a point of apologising to fans and saying his own performance was unacceptable. Didn't have to do that. 6. Never did he play as though he didn't care because 'l'm off in the summer anyway'. He would have been on other clubs' radar then anyway, so he would have had an idea of his options even then. Being in the first team would have helped, but wouldn't have changed the options available to him overmuch l'm sure.
Who knows where he will go next, but l'm sure that he won't expect to walk into the first team at a 'bigger' club and will be prepared to be a benchwarmer for a season or two - he's only 19 after all, and he has plenty of people around him who will tell him what's what, what to expect and how best to improve his footballing education.
As for some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter, some people need to take a long hard look at themselves. Digging out a kid who's trying to take a tough decision - and who is quite possibly around the same age as their own kids - is pathetic. He moves on, we move on - end of.
Ps And l'm not the secretary of the DP Fan Club by the way - I voted for Wilson for POTY!
That's only because you left your glasses at home and got their Alice bands mixed up
hmmm, diego "bites yer legs" poyet! ...just seen man u have paid out 30mill+ for luke shaw...if only someone at the club had put their hand in their pocket earlier...
I still prefer Cousins, and am more entertained watching him in central midfield. Cousins is more suited to the English game, certainly the champ. Playing Poyet's fine when we need to be compact, but it means our multitude of one paced midfielders struggle to offer anything offensively. Jackson needs dynamism near him.
Anyone who says we won't miss him, he wasn't that good, too negative etc etc are talking out of their hat.
I believe that we should have been tying him down to a new contract last summer. In my opinion this didn't happen because of the dispute between Jiminez and Poyet Snr over the latters investment in Les Bordes. This didn't make Jiminez want to tie Poyet down. Jiminez hasn't ended up suffering as a consequence, we have. Likewise not allowing Powell to select Poyet as doing so would involve a 400% a week pay increase which he was unwilling to do because of financial reasons, and probably because of the above too.
Anyone who says we won't miss him, he wasn't that good, too negative etc etc are talking out of their hat.
I believe that we should have been tying him down to a new contract last summer. In my opinion this didn't happen because of the dispute between Jiminez and Poyet Snr over the latters investment in Les Bordes. This didn't make Jiminez want to tie Poyet down. Jiminez hasn't ended up suffering as a consequence, we have. Likewise not allowing Powell to select Poyet as doing so would involve a 400% a week pay increase which he was unwilling to do because of financial reasons, and probably because of the above too.
*all allegedly of course.
I also think that TJ and MS made a business decision. They judged that an untried youth player tied down to a new extended contract would cost them money but not add anything significant to off set the cost to the selling price. As a result they decided investment in poyet was a further drain on their resources
Anyone who says we won't miss him, he wasn't that good, too negative etc etc are talking out of their hat.
I believe that we should have been tying him down to a new contract last summer. In my opinion this didn't happen because of the dispute between Jiminez and Poyet Snr over the latters investment in Les Bordes. This didn't make Jiminez want to tie Poyet down. Jiminez hasn't ended up suffering as a consequence, we have. Likewise not allowing Powell to select Poyet as doing so would involve a 400% a week pay increase which he was unwilling to do because of financial reasons, and probably because of the above too.
*all allegedly of course.
I also think that TJ and MS made a business decision. They judged that an untried youth player tied down to a new extended contract would cost them money but not add anything significant to off set the cost to the selling price. As a result they decided investment in poyet was a further drain on their resources
so when some have been saying that the team has been dictated to CP by the owner they were right, just they were talking about the wrong owner. Why don't we hear more about this, is it because it does not fit the anti RD pro CP agenda?
Don't remember CP's friends talking about this either, maybe it was because the old owners didn't sack him.
I'm sad and disappointed that he's gone. But it was not unexpected. I'll say only one more thing on the matter. He's said to the club that they won't see him any more but his contract doesn't run out until the end of the month, so he's not reporting for work (pre-season training), so he's in breach of contract. I'd fine him two weeks wages (is that the maximum?) and use the proceeds to give season ticket holders a free programme/handbook at the first home league game of the season.
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What sort of 19 year old can hope to live off the 500k(if not more) a year, that we would have offered.
Edit: Just to add, i do agree that anyone giving him personal abuse on twitter or the like, is a moron but that is different to most of us on here who are being critical of him.
What really adds salt to the wound is no money, or very little for a very talented young prospect. But that is the risk with developing the academy for the future....... What steps can be taken if any to secure these players?. So any answers on that one........
This is different to Scott Parker .He left us when it was our high tide and we potentially could have made the Champions League ,Diego leaves us as a very different club. If it hadn't have been for him along with one or two others like Ajdarevic I think we would have got relegated . Remember we weakened our squad in January , Diego's development was a real bonus for us.
Pre Xmas we thought that Cousins was the better prospect and that Diego wasn't ready for first team . I have interpreted Gus Poyet as saying that he wanted his son to develop at another club as being at an academy. I think he will take a different view now he has played 20 games for us . It wouldn't surprise me if he goes to join his Dad at Sunderland. I just hope he doesn't go somewhere in the CCC or a rival like Palace.
I also think he was always going to take his career a year at a time. I don't think he would ever have signed for longer . Gus saw us as a good bet for his son because we were local and allowed Diego to finish his education . We were happy to oblige because he was such a talent.
Good luck Diego I will follow your career with interest.
He was exactly what we needed at the time. Someone instantly recognisable, someone who stood out, someone who other players wanted a bit of a battle with. He was partly responsible for us staying up. He is a very good player.
However, he has played 20 first team matches. He is nowhere near the 'made it' tag. If he had stayed I would have watched him this year with great interest. Part of me feels that he would not have replicated the form he showed last season. It would be very difficult to maintain man of the match performances game after game...especially alongside what we hope are better quality players.
I think he has made a mistake. I fear his progress will be halted somewhat by not being at a club who knows him well, who would have nurtured him and allowed for him to make mistakes. As would we as fans and supporters.
I can't help thinking of John Bostock and what happened to his career. I hope Diego goes on to have a long, successful and illustrious career.
But I wouldn't bet on it just yet.
All this bollocks about Powell, Riga and the direction of the club is a smokescreen.
He is a good player but is far from a great one. Imo Parker and Bowyer were far better at equivalent times in their Charlton careers. I believe his lack of pace will prevent him really progressing at the highest level.
If he goes to Chelsea he will be miles from the first team and with the wealth of talent they have might struggle to get a regular game in their U21s.
I'd have far more respect for him if he had come out and said he was off straight away as he wanted to play at a higher level. He's basically used the transitional state at the club to make himself look the good guy.
Can't be arsed to throw abuse at him as in all honesty I'm not really that bothered - I wrote him off as soon as the season ended.
My question to HMRC would be: if he is not domiciled in the UK , where the **** is he domiciled?
Diego is watching Eastenders with his girlfriend and casually brings into conversation that 'x' club have offered him 20k a week, an increase of about 15k on what he is on at Charlton.
His girlfriend goes wild with excitement, and screams "when do you sign"?
He tells her I cannot as Charlton have been so good to me and I owe them a lot.
She tells him not to be such a **** and just sign the f****** contract!
She is right you know.
:-)
I believe that we should have been tying him down to a new contract last summer. In my opinion this didn't happen because of the dispute between Jiminez and Poyet Snr over the latters investment in Les Bordes. This didn't make Jiminez want to tie Poyet down. Jiminez hasn't ended up suffering as a consequence, we have. Likewise not allowing Powell to select Poyet as doing so would involve a 400% a week pay increase which he was unwilling to do because of financial reasons, and probably because of the above too.
*all allegedly of course.
so when some have been saying that the team has been dictated to CP by the owner they were right, just they were talking about the wrong owner. Why don't we hear more about this, is it because it does not fit the anti RD pro CP agenda?
Don't remember CP's friends talking about this either, maybe it was because the old owners didn't sack him.
I'll say only one more thing on the matter. He's said to the club that they won't see him any more but his contract doesn't run out until the end of the month, so he's not reporting for work (pre-season training), so he's in breach of contract. I'd fine him two weeks wages (is that the maximum?) and use the proceeds to give season ticket holders a free programme/handbook at the first home league game of the season.