I understand where you are coming from with the no loyalty in football and I agree to a certain extent.
However, to take a real world example, if a company trains up an employee to give them some sort of professional status then that company usually would expect their employee to stay for x amount of time or pay the company back for their expense. Now I don't know how long that period of time should be but I do feel that Poyet himself should cover the clubs costs for training him up to professional level. This should be in addition to the fee we receive from the other club as this is a separate issue.
I do not have an issue with Poyet for seeking greener pastures as we are all entitled to that. What I do have issue with is his "the truth will come out" statement. It is classless and shows a lack of respect for the club that gave him his opportunity. If I did something like that then my company would sue me and just because he is a footballer he should not be exempt from that.
I still believe, as I have since he broke into the team, that he is a championship/lower prem level player and as I said earlier the career path he is laying out for himself is not a bad one. He isn't the new Messi and he isn't the best player we have ever produced. The club will be around long after his career is over and we have a number of young players who I think will shine far more brightly than Diego will in his career.
All the best Diego but please learn to treat clubs and fans with the respect you would like to be treated with yourself.
But we ARE going to get some money to cover the cost of training him as he is under 24. That's what the compensation is for.
Whether that is enough is another question. I'd say almost certainly not but that is the system not Poyet's fault.
Why is supposedly saying he would tell the truth not treating the club and fans with respect. We don't know what has gone on and Poyet hasn't said either.
Yet he is already being called a liar and people are saying whatever he says can't be believed. Of course he will tell the story from his viewpoint just as the Club will tell it from theirs, if either say anything at all. The truth will most likely sit between the two.
The compensation is in place of the transfer fee not his side but that's just my point of view.
And all the arguing over his statement proves a lack of respect for the club and the fans.
He isn't naive, he knew it would create a reaction. He should have followed Lallana's example, despite So'ton nearly messing up his move he still put out the message thanking them for everything. He didn't threaten to air out dirty laundry (which is basically what the Poyet statement was). He may be a kid but he also wants to be a professional. So he needs to stop playing at it and start acting as one.
I don't want to argue with you over this Henry as I respect your views. Diego has created the "liar" rod for his own back but hopefully he will take the professional route and just thank the club, say how happy he is we avoided relegation and leave it at that.
I hope that makes sense
He thanked @CAFCofficial for 8 great years. I haven't seen any other statement from him.
But he was being called a liar, greedy etc before the "Someone met him at a party and said...." story came out.
The money we get is a development fee for a U24. We got Moussa on a free transfer as he was out of contract. No compensation even though Coventry could really use it.
@diegopoyet7: @cafc_mad I will post the truth when I sign with a new club. Do not want to jeopardise myself before then.
I know what he said before and he should have left it there. He chose not to...
And if he can't deal with being called greedy he is in the wrong profession.
Moussa is more in line with Dervite/Hamer leaving. I'm not calling for compensation there as those are different situations.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
If you have not been trained at a club, the circumstances are different.
Poyet has signed for West Ham, he can be expected by them to aim to do his best for them and in return they pay him as agreed, at the end of the contract, if nothing further is agreed the player and the club can part ways without ill feeling.
Poyet was trained by us. He is entitled to leave but we should be compensated appropriately for this training.
If you have not been trained at a club, the circumstances are different.
Poyet has signed for West Ham, he can be expected by them to aim to do his best for them and in return they pay him as agreed, at the end of the contract, if nothing further is agreed the player and the club can part ways without ill feeling.
Poyet was trained by us. He is entitled to leave but we should be compensated appropriately for this training.
And we will be compensated. Whether it is appropriately I doubt but as I said that is the system not Poyet.
If you have not been trained at a club, the circumstances are different.
Poyet has signed for West Ham, he can be expected by them to aim to do his best for them and in return they pay him as agreed, at the end of the contract, if nothing further is agreed the player and the club can part ways without ill feeling.
Poyet was trained by us. He is entitled to leave but we should be compensated appropriately for this training.</</b>blockquote>
Interesting that our very recent Player of the Year, has for some become a lad that we really didn't rate or need. I am surprised it's West Ham, do you think that playing up the road from us soon has something to do with it ? It might not be long before he will be looking up at us in the Premiership !
Had to be West Ham. I bloody hate them. If I had the cash I would buy them and close them down.
Maybe a good move for DP in terms of size of club although with big Sam in charge he will have to get used to watching the ball fly over his head more often than not.
I feel let down by DP but I shouldn't as I support the notion that each one of us will do the best we can for ourselves and our family.
I wish he had signed a new contract with a buy out clause and given us a season before moving on, but he hasn't and I wish him luck at Wetspam, at least it isn't Palarse. If I blame anyone it is the previous owners for not offering an acceptable contract a year ago.
Good luck Diego and let us at The Valley draw a line under him and look forward to our new midfield where another Academy product will shine, that being jordan Cousins.
Interesting that our very recent Player of the Year, has for some become a lad that we really didn't rate or need. I am surprised it's West Ham, do you think that playing up the road from us soon has something to do with it ? It might not be long before he will be looking up at us in the Premiership !
The difference with Mousa is that RD was able to offer him a decent alternative which would have made him a better footballer by taking part, this season, in UCL and Europa league football, and would have in turn allowed us to get a decent return on our investment.
But no. I want my money and I want it now. That's all it's about.
I bet he starts less than 10 league games there. I reckon lucky to get 5.
Thing is Prague, he could have signed for us next season and met the latest Muscat incarnation. Liverpool or Arsenal would have pleased me more, but it's his career and I imagine he had Premiership options and seems to have settled for one that will continue his development - which really is the opposite to what Parker did.
I'm with AFKA on this, I think he's been pretty sensible. I just hope he doesn't tarnish it with any explanation of 'his truth', because it would be both unnecessary and entirely irrelevant now.
If you have not been trained at a club, the circumstances are different.
Poyet has signed for West Ham, he can be expected by them to aim to do his best for them and in return they pay him as agreed, at the end of the contract, if nothing further is agreed the player and the club can part ways without ill feeling.
Poyet was trained by us. He is entitled to leave but we should be compensated appropriately for this training.
And we will be compensated. Whether it is appropriately I doubt but as I said that is the system not Poyet.
The way around the system would have been to sign a new contract with a reasonable get out clause. As far as we know Poyet chose not to do that. If it comes out that he was happy to do so, but the club wanted £10m then I shall feel differently.
If you have not been trained at a club, the circumstances are different.
Poyet has signed for West Ham, he can be expected by them to aim to do his best for them and in return they pay him as agreed, at the end of the contract, if nothing further is agreed the player and the club can part ways without ill feeling.
Poyet was trained by us. He is entitled to leave but we should be compensated appropriately for this training.
And we will be compensated. Whether it is appropriately I doubt but as I said that is the system not Poyet.
The way around the system would have been to sign a new contract with a reasonable get out clause. As far as we know Poyet chose not to do that. If it comes out that he was happy to do so, but the club wanted £10m then I shall feel differently.
Spot on Algarve. I still think Diego acted very selfishly and could easily have left in a better way for the benefit of the club that nurtured him. I think he has acted with a callous disregard for Charlton and us fans.
Don't have a particularly strong opinion on him going to West Ham.
What I have an issue with is the spin and nonsense being banded round which is trying to portray him as a good guy and some sort of victim.
As opposed to the spin that is making him out to be a useless player, greedy, a liar and disrespectful to Charlton fans.
haven't seen anyone on here claim he is a victim.
I have read a lot people moaning that we won't get enough money from the sale in the same breath that they complain he is greedy and only interested in money. And not one of them seeing the contradiction.
He's gone, good luck to him. It was his choice and he's decided to try a higher league.
Everyone moaning about us not getting any money but we've signed Moussa in a similar situation and I don't hear anyone suggesting we give Coventry a handout.
He's gone, good luck to him. It was his choice and he's decided to try a higher league.
Everyone moaning about us not getting any money but we've signed Moussa in a similar situation and I don't hear anyone suggesting we give Coventry a handout.
Moussa wasn't a youth team player at Coventry which makes a hell of a lot of difference.
Don't have a particularly strong opinion on him going to West Ham.
What I have an issue with is the spin and nonsense being banded round which is trying to portray him as a good guy and some sort of victim.
As opposed to the spin that is making him out to be a useless player, greedy, a liar and disrespectful to Charlton fans.
haven't seen anyone on here claim he is a victim.
I have read a lot people moaning that we won't get enough money from the sale in the same breath that they complain he is greedy and only interested in money. And not one of them seeing the contradiction.
I'm not saying anyone on here has portrayed him as a victim.
Perhaps I could have worded it better. I meant that it feels like he himself is trying to portray himself as a victim.
Why the hell didn't he just sign for WHU's Academy as a nine year old and be done with it? Would have saved us a lot of grief all round...both now and in the future, no doubt, when it is frequently mentioned that he is a product of their youth team.
Does feel a bit like Charlton have just been used "as a convenience" by the Poyet family.
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 1m Diego Poyet signing 5-year deal with West Ham. #cafc
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 1m Two clubs currently negotiating to try and avoid tribunal. #cafc
if we don't agree a fee, then hopefully the fact that he's well known as a rising star and has been in a TV commercial will increase the tribunal price
Its the same situation that their contracts had ended and they could choose where to go. Diego chose to leave get over it.
Im over it. In fact, the fact we get money is a bonus.
Im just pointing out its not the same situation. The same would be Moussa and Dervite/Hamer.
People have got their back-up because we gave Poyet a lot of time in nurturing him into a professional footballer. Some fans feel that 400k and a thank you isn't enough. Personally, I'm only pissed off that he's signed for West Ham.
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I know what he said before and he should have left it there. He chose not to...
And if he can't deal with being called greedy he is in the wrong profession.
Moussa is more in line with Dervite/Hamer leaving. I'm not calling for compensation there as those are different situations.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
It is not the same.
If you have not been trained at a club, the circumstances are different.
Poyet has signed for West Ham, he can be expected by them to aim to do his best for them and in return they pay him as agreed, at the end of the contract, if nothing further is agreed the player and the club can part ways without ill feeling.
Poyet was trained by us. He is entitled to leave but we should be compensated appropriately for this training.
Maybe a good move for DP in terms of size of club although with big Sam in charge he will have to get used to watching the ball fly over his head more often than not.
I wish he had signed a new contract with a buy out clause and given us a season before moving on, but he hasn't and I wish him luck at Wetspam, at least it isn't Palarse. If I blame anyone it is the previous owners for not offering an acceptable contract a year ago.
Good luck Diego and let us at The Valley draw a line under him and look forward to our new midfield where another Academy product will shine, that being jordan Cousins.
04/07/2014 13:20
Sky Sources: Diego Poyet undergoing medical ahead of proposed move to West Ham on a 5 year deal #SSN
Surely the 5 year deal is good for our compensation?
When I read the posts on the Charlton page on Facebook, I feel exactly the same, only coming from the other direction.
You despair at those of us that think Poyet has done us wrong, I despair at those of you who think he is completely in the right.
No dig, just a different viewpoint.
EDIT: Also a lot of them think the new third kit is marvellous, which doesn't help either... ;-)
I'm with AFKA on this, I think he's been pretty sensible. I just hope he doesn't tarnish it with any explanation of 'his truth', because it would be both unnecessary and entirely irrelevant now.
What I have an issue with is the spin and nonsense being banded round which is trying to portray him as a good guy and some sort of victim.
Diego Poyet signing 5-year deal with West Ham. #cafc
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 1m
Two clubs currently negotiating to try and avoid tribunal. #cafc
haven't seen anyone on here claim he is a victim.
I have read a lot people moaning that we won't get enough money from the sale in the same breath that they complain he is greedy and only interested in money. And not one of them seeing the contradiction.
Buttt, I think west ham is a good move for him, he will start games there, premier league experience etc. Seems like a stepping stone to me.
Hopefully we get fairly compensated and we can move on.
Everyone moaning about us not getting any money but we've signed Moussa in a similar situation and I don't hear anyone suggesting we give Coventry a handout.
Poyet was given love and care here, taught the game and made into the player he is today. Moussa had 5 clubs before Coventry.
Perhaps I could have worded it better. I meant that it feels like he himself is trying to portray himself as a victim.
Does feel a bit like Charlton have just been used "as a convenience" by the Poyet family.
Im just pointing out its not the same situation. The same would be Moussa and Dervite/Hamer.
People have got their back-up because we gave Poyet a lot of time in nurturing him into a professional footballer. Some fans feel that 400k and a thank you isn't enough. Personally, I'm only pissed off that he's signed for West Ham.
Never this pissed when others leave us who we haven't seen (Ajayi etc.)
Out of sight, out of mind.