Diego Poyet's contract situation **DieGONE - Signs for West Ham)**

CafcTeckers said:

Richard Cawley ‏@RichCawleySLP 1m
Diego Poyet signing 5-year deal with West Ham. #cafc

Richard Cawley ‏@RichCawleySLP 1m
Two clubs currently negotiating to try and avoid tribunal. #cafc

Go on Roland and Katrien, Make those Hammers sweat.

Just as long as the deal doesn't include 1. a pre-season friendly that never happens and 2. A non-written agreement for them to loan us players that never bears fruit.

Just want a lot of some dosh to spend on other players now.

ValleyGary said:

iaitch said:

Its the same situation that their contracts had ended and they could choose where to go. Diego chose to leave get over it.

Im over it. In fact, the fact we get money is a bonus.

Im just pointing out its not the same situation. The same would be Moussa and Dervite/Hamer.

People have got their back-up because we gave Poyet a lot of time in nurturing him into a professional footballer. Some fans feel that 400k and a thank you isn't enough. Personally, I'm only pissed off that he's signed for West Ham.

We gave him time nurturing him into a professional and then didn't give him a contract last season. As WSS says if he'd turned to be not up to the grade then no one would be worried.

He was always going.

It could easily have been Crystal Palace so let's be thankful for small mercies.

CafcSCP said:

good luck to the lad.
glad he didn't go to palace

Heard that he wanted to but didn't want to upset Charlton fans.

Kasey Palmer just signed his first pro contract with Chelsea...

Thought it would go well with this thread

I don't despair at anyone Algarve, and i have not said that. I'm just taking a step back and not purely looking upon it from a historical 'supporter' point of view.

Supporter point of view is now in complete constrast to the view of anyone actually in the game, its not the gentlemanly utopia people wished it was. Players (in general, there are always an odd exception), don't really give a damn about their clubs, supporters, even their fellow team mates. Their number one priority is themselves, and what is best for themselves.

Clubs now will sweat everything they possibly can out of a supporter that they think they can get away with to maximise their revenue. Clubs will use players as harshly as possible for the benefit of the club not the individual. Poyet was trained up because Charlton hoped to benefit from it. If he wasn't good enough they would have elbowed him at 18, 20, without a moments thought or help in securing an outside job. Where is the loyalty to a youngster like Grant Basey who pretty much was never the same player after getting injured playing for Charlton. Where is the loyalty to long-term staff who in various forms have been treated like sh*t in the last few years?

As I said the other day, there are no morals in the game (unless a club was already looking to out / benefit from someone who has mis-demeaned), and there is no certainly loyalty.

I'm gutted Poyet is going because he is technically the best youngster i have seen break through at Charlton. I'd have given anything to see him for another two years. But this is how the game is now and one of the reasons i don't love it so much. Poyet was allowed to get himself into a position where he holds the cards. Risky approach on the players point of view, but after the superb 2nd half of the season, everything fell to his benefit because he was now a player that was going to be in demand. Had Charlton continued to not play him for the remainder of the season (or he didn't perform as well as he did), the offers from others might not have been there, and almost definitely the offer Charlton would have put to him would probably have been as misely as possible. That's how it goes.

Clubs at our level need to breed a narrow range of players like Solly and Harrott that are good, but not that good, because anyone better (or potentially better) will have offers to trade-up and it is currently massively weighted in the players favour to take what on the table is the best offer for them individually. That's why players like Poyet, Jenkinson, Casey Palmer, Sean McGinty etc barely scratch the surface with their developing club in recent times. That's sadly how the game is now.

I strongly recommend if you want a decent, first-hand insight into how the game operates nowadays, get a copy of 'I am the Secret Footballer'

As for the anology used by @Jdredsox‌ 'I do feel that Poyet himself should cover the clubs costs for training him up to professional level', firstly adopting real-world examples to football just simply isn't worth starting with because the game holds so little real-world principles and rules. And that is what the compensation / tribunal scenario is for, and why it needs to be (on a governance level) a lot more robust than it currently is.

But playing along with that, it is not completely out of the unknown for a firm to grant study leave, sponsor an employee through some kind of Degree, Masters, Accountancy exams only for that employee when passing to shortly after get a trade-up job with a rival. or a pub to take on an employee as a barman, train him up show him the ropes, then that bloke to get a job as assistant manager for the bar down the road. Those things happen all the time.

MrOneLung said:

What about the academy players we kicked out at the end of the season?
Where was our loyalty to them?

Would you like us to keep every single player we've ever had on our books then yeah?

ValleyGary said:

Moussa and Poyet are not similar situations. The only thing they have in common is that they were out of contract.

Poyet was given love and care here, taught the game and made into the player he is today. Moussa had 5 clubs before Coventry.

And presumably each one of those 6 clubs helped make him the player he is today after they nurtured his skills and trained him up.

falconwood_1 said:

Don't blame him for not staying at our circus, but will delight in giving the long haired ponce a barrelload when he ever faces us.

That's showbusiness!

And business!

MrOneLung said:

What about the academy players we kicked out at the end of the season?
Where was our loyalty to them?

We tried to make them good enough but they weren't.

I wish people would stop protecting Poyet and slating the board

iaitch said:

ValleyGary said:

iaitch said:

ValleyGary said:

iaitch said:

Its the same situation that their contracts had ended and they could choose where to go. Diego chose to leave get over it.

Im over it. In fact, the fact we get money is a bonus.

Im just pointing out its not the same situation. The same would be Moussa and Dervite/Hamer.

People have got their back-up because we gave Poyet a lot of time in nurturing him into a professional footballer. Some fans feel that 400k and a thank you isn't enough. Personally, I'm only pissed off that he's signed for West Ham.

We gave him time nurturing him into a professional and then didn't give him a contract last season. As WSS says if he'd turned to be not up to the grade then no one would be worried.

He was offered several.

Lets not make this out to be the clubs fault.

I'm not implying that it's the clubs fault.

Ok then he chose not to sign for us and try to get a better contract elsewhere which I presume he has done just like anyone else can.

People go o about Jenkinson and Shelvey signing a contract, so what they still buggered off as quick as they could to the premiership.

One of those was premier league quality whilst we were in league 1.

Poyet is Lower premier upper championship quality at best. He will develop but is not the complete player yet.

Jayajosh said:

CafcTeckers said:

Richard Cawley ‏@RichCawleySLP 1m
Diego Poyet signing 5-year deal with West Ham. #cafc

Richard Cawley ‏@RichCawleySLP 1m
Two clubs currently negotiating to try and avoid tribunal. #cafc

£500K and 20% sell on clause would be decent imo.

I'd take £0k and a 20% sell on clause tbh

Henry Irving said:

CafcTeckers said:

Richard Cawley ‏@RichCawleySLP 1m
Diego Poyet signing 5-year deal with West Ham. #cafc

Richard Cawley ‏@RichCawleySLP 1m
Two clubs currently negotiating to try and avoid tribunal. #cafc

Go on Roland and Katrien, Make those Hammers sweat.

Just as long as the deal doesn't include 1. a pre-season friendly that never happens and 2. A non-written agreement for them to loan us players that never bears fruit.

Just want a lot of some dosh to spend on other players now.

-it's all about the sell on clause isn't it....?

unless the fecker just let's his contract run out again

seriously_red said:

Weegie Addick said:

Why the hell didn't he just sign for WHU's Academy as a nine year old and be done with it? Would have saved us a lot of grief all round...both now and in the future, no doubt, when it is frequently mentioned that he is a product of their youth team.

Does feel a bit like Charlton have just been used "as a convenience" by the Poyet family.

Afraid I don't see it that way at all. He went through our academy and played for us last season helping us to stay up. West Ham offer a five year deal and Karen Brady and Katrien Meire look to negotiate a deal else it's a tribunal. We perhaps earn a 7 figure amount (but not as much as if he stayed until 22/23) and that goes into the kitty as another contribution to the 2014-15 budget. The most important thing for us right now is to secure the final players so we can wave goodbye to the bottom 6. Some more cash can only help our new model of bringing on young players.

I've no idea where he might sit in the pecking order at West Ham but if he needs game time then I'd be happy to see him come back to the Valley.

For goodness sake, S_R, please allow me the occasional emotional strop without turning everything into some sort of financial balancing act... ;-)

ValleyGary said:

Moussa and Poyet are not similar situations. The only thing they have in common is that they were out of contract.

Poyet was given love and care here, taught the game and made into the player he is today. Moussa had 5 clubs before Coventry.

Ha. This is the best one. Sorry ValleyGary.

I wonder how much compensation we'll get for all the love :-)