So, not withstanding the abuse I'll get. How good is this lad?
If you had asked 3 months ago, we would be telling you he's the absolute nuts, and will be an international footballer soon. POTY playing just 20 games says something about his performances.
Now, he's just alright, don't get forward enough and only passes sideways.
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 1m Diego Poyet signing 5-year deal with West Ham. #cafc
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 1m Two clubs currently negotiating to try and avoid tribunal. #cafc
Go on Roland and Katrien, Make those Hammers sweat.
Just as long as the deal doesn't include 1. a pre-season friendly that never happens and 2. A non-written agreement for them to loan us players that never bears fruit.
Just want a lot of some dosh to spend on other players now.
Perhaps it would be a blessing if the loan agreement didn't materialise. Remember Frank Nouble? And - ye Gods - I'm still trying to get over Mike Small in 1993...
Do West Ham have their own youth system or do they just tap other players from other clubs, buying their parents, cars, houses etc??? I don't begrudge Poyet the move but can't stand THAT club !!
Rio Ferdinand, Lampard, Joe Cole, Carrick, Glen Johnson, Anton Ferdinand, Mark Noble, Jack Collison, James Tomkins.
Good move for Poyet, decent chance of getting a game and has probably quadrupled his wages. Disappointed he didn't stay but can't exactly blame him for going.
To all the fans saying Poyet is in the wrong. A few questions :-
1. How many of you, when you were 19, would have jeapordised the opportunity of your DREAM job, by signing a new work contract, at somewhere you no longer wanted to be ?
2. How many of you at 19, would have signed a new contract at Charlton, knowing full well, it would almost certainly, either put your possible once in a lifetime opportunity at risk, or give you a reduced wage, or reduced signing on fee ?
3. How many of you at 19 years old, living with your mum, would jeapordise your possible once in a lifetime opportunity, where you can remain living at home, surrounded by your friends and family, rather than having to move and not seeing any of them ?
Just put your name here, if you would have. I know I wouldn't have, as a 19 year old.
So, not withstanding the abuse I'll get. How good is this lad?
He is a class act. Hence all the handwringing on here about him leaving us for £5 and a plate of jellied eels as compo.
I've been going for 30+ years and he is one of the most gifted youngsters I have seen us produce. He looked like someone who had been playing the game for years, not an 18 year old playing his first professional games.
So, not withstanding the abuse I'll get. How good is this lad?
Technically excellent as a midfield sweeper / possession ticker over. Still has aspects to his game he needs to improve, particularly offensively, but the bottom line is that out of 20 first team appearances, he got 10 MoM on here, and featured as a top 3 player 17 times.
Thanks for the feedback... Let's hope BFS manages to use the lad the right way. However as some have muted so eloquently on here already I too think he'll be with us long after BFS has gone. Good luck next season.
So, not withstanding the abuse I'll get. How good is this lad?
Technically excellent as a midfield sweeper / possession ticker over. Still has aspects to his game he needs to improve, particularly offensively, but the bottom line is that out of 20 first team appearances, he got 10 MoM on here, and featured as a top 3 player 17 times.
Without a single goal or assist to his name.
That's not a dig - it just shows how much he brought to the team without having to produce offensively.
I can't really be bothered to think too much about the loyalty debate because there isn't really a right answer, but the thing that is bothering me is that we never seem to sell our youngsters for a decent fee compared to other clubs. Shelvey, Jenkinson, even Parker didn't really go for what they could have, especially when you compare it to transfers like Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw, Zaha etc. Palace even got £2.5m out of Victor Moses even though they were in administration. Poyet seemed like he could be the one to buck that trend, he's young, precociously talented, plays in a role that rarely produces sparkling young players in this country, and most importantly has a famous footballing father meaning that the media attention is always greater. Just look at the difference in media attention between him and Cousins, who played twice the number of games as Diego.
With all that in mind it felt like the media awareness might hike his fee up and allow Charlton to play hardball over any transfer. But of course all that fell apart as he started showing what a great player he could be with his contract due to run out. The outcome is no big negotiations on our part, he just moves on and we lose our bargaining power. There's not really much point in trying to blame someone for it though. Maybe you could say the old owners should have tied him down to a new contract but really it's just an example of more bad luck on our part. It really rankles that we've again missed out on a big payday, when really Diego could have been our cash cow.
To all the fans saying Poyet is in the wrong. A few questions :-
1. How many of you, when you were 19, would have jeapordised the opportunity of your DREAM job, by signing a new work contract, at somewhere you no longer wanted to be ?
West Ham is his dream job? I thought it was Chelsea
2. How many of you at 19, would have signed a new contract at Charlton, knowing full well, it would almost certainly, either put your possible once in a lifetime opportunity at risk, or give you a reduced wage, or reduced signing on fee ?
If he is as good as we all think he is (and as he thinks he is) how on earth is signing for West Ham a once in a lifetime opportunity. Oh sure, the signing on fee. Money, now. I want it.
3. How many of you at 19 years old, living with your mum, would jeapordise your possible once in a lifetime opportunity, where you can remain living at home, surrounded by your friends and family, rather than having to move and not seeing any of them ?
Does not seem to have done any harm to JonJo does it, moving away from London? Believe it or not, London is not the only place worth living in
To all the fans saying Poyet is in the wrong. A few questions :-
1. How many of you, when you were 19, would have jeapordised the opportunity of your DREAM job, by signing a new work contract, at somewhere you no longer wanted to be ?
2. How many of you at 19, would have signed a new contract at Charlton, knowing full well, it would almost certainly, either put your possible once in a lifetime opportunity at risk, or give you a reduced wage, or reduced signing on fee ?
3. How many of you at 19 years old, living with your mum, would jeapordise your possible once in a lifetime opportunity, where you can remain living at home, surrounded by your friends and family, rather than having to move and not seeing any of them ?
Just put your name here, if you would have. I know I wouldn't have, as a 19 year old.
I left home at 17 because I wanted to be independent, and I was not the son of a millionaire already earning more in a year at 19 years old than 95% of people aged 40 earn in five years. So I really can't answer that. I think I may have found a way of getting my DREAM job (West Ham, DREAM job - really????) and making sure the company that had put me in a position to seek out that dream job got financially compensated. Especially if I was paying some shyster twenty percent of my wages to act as my agent...
I don't despair at anyone Algarve, and i have not said that. I'm just taking a step back and not purely looking upon it from a historical 'supporter' point of view.
Supporter point of view is now in complete constrast to the view of anyone actually in the game, its not the gentlemanly utopia people wished it was. Players (in general, there are always an odd exception), don't really give a damn about their clubs, supporters, even their fellow team mates. Their number one priority is themselves, and what is best for themselves.
Clubs now will sweat everything they possibly can out of a supporter that they think they can get away with to maximise their revenue. Clubs will use players as harshly as possible for the benefit of the club not the individual. Poyet was trained up because Charlton hoped to benefit from it. If he wasn't good enough they would have elbowed him at 18, 20, without a moments thought or help in securing an outside job. Where is the loyalty to a youngster like Grant Basey who pretty much was never the same player after getting injured playing for Charlton. Where is the loyalty to long-term staff who in various forms have been treated like sh*t in the last few years?
As I said the other day, there are no morals in the game (unless a club was already looking to out / benefit from someone who has mis-demeaned), and there is no certainly loyalty.
I'm gutted Poyet is going because he is technically the best youngster i have seen break through at Charlton. I'd have given anything to see him for another two years. But this is how the game is now and one of the reasons i don't love it so much. Poyet was allowed to get himself into a position where he holds the cards. Risky approach on the players point of view, but after the superb 2nd half of the season, everything fell to his benefit because he was now a player that was going to be in demand. Had Charlton continued to not play him for the remainder of the season (or he didn't perform as well as he did), the offers from others might not have been there, and almost definitely the offer Charlton would have put to him would probably have been as misely as possible. That's how it goes.
Clubs at our level need to breed a narrow range of players like Solly and Harrott that are good, but not that good, because anyone better (or potentially better) will have offers to trade-up and it is currently massively weighted in the players favour to take what on the table is the best offer for them individually. That's why players like Poyet, Jenkinson, Casey Palmer, Sean McGinty etc barely scratch the surface with their developing club in recent times. That's sadly how the game is now.
I strongly recommend if you want a decent, first-hand insight into how the game operates nowadays, get a copy of 'I am the Secret Footballer'
As for the anology used by @Jdredsox 'I do feel that Poyet himself should cover the clubs costs for training him up to professional level', firstly adopting real-world examples to football just simply isn't worth starting with because the game holds so little real-world principles and rules. And that is what the compensation / tribunal scenario is for, and why it needs to be (on a governance level) a lot more robust than it currently is.
But playing along with that, it is not completely out of the unknown for a firm to grant study leave, sponsor an employee through some kind of Degree, Masters, Accountancy exams only for that employee when passing to shortly after get a trade-up job with a rival. or a pub to take on an employee as a barman, train him up show him the ropes, then that bloke to get a job as assistant manager for the bar down the road. Those things happen all the time.
But I don't want football to be that bag of shit you describe AFKA, where we just have to put up with mediocre players and doff our caps to the big boys and thank them for their kind indulgence. What's the point in following a club at all if that's the case? I can understand your disillusionment, but I want to poke back, no matter how futile it is - it makes me feel better. It's a reflection of the world we live in I know, and that stinks too.
Of course he is not the 'complete player' at 19. as Afka stated.. Technically excellent as a midfield sweeper / possession ticker over. Still has aspects to his game he needs to improve, particularly offensively, but the bottom line is that out of 20 first team appearances, he got 10 MoM on here, and featured as a top 3 player 17 times. To me I thought he made an immense contribution to the team last season..... not the only one, but certainly appeared to play his heart out, and I never saw him bottle out of a challenge, or 'coast it'. Yes he made some mistakes, but then his vision and cool head was far in excess of a player so young in my opinion. BUT he has gone, so good luck mate, hope you make it.... but I still think there is a long way to go even at West ham. In all honesty a good move if you are patient...... Not always a virtue that players seem to exercise much these days.
We're all disappointed that he's gone. We're gonna be disappointed with the amount of compo that we get. C'est la vie
And that's the problem. Too may people just shrug their shoulders and give up.
My philosophy in life ... Why worry about things that are out of my control. I can't influence DP's decision. He's gone so I move on. That's life
I get it, I really do. Can't change what's happened, but we can influence things so that the compo is just in the future by pressurising the FA, FL etc with fan groups and supporters trusts and so on... :-)
We're all disappointed that he's gone. We're gonna be disappointed with the amount of compo that we get. C'est la vie
And that's the problem. Too may people just shrug their shoulders and give up.
Accepting reality is not "giving up". Accepting reality doesn't mean liking it either.
Or is the alternative to slag off a 19/20 as a "greedy lying ****" on social media. Yeah, sure that will bring the walls of Jericho down.
Poyet is a product of a system. Through luck but also hard work and talent the system has worked out for him. He gets a "dream" job (the dream is playing in the premier league not playing for West Ham before people jump on that).
Nearly all the 100s of kids who came up through the ranks with him have now been "let go". Bad luck, not enough talent but maybe just as much if not more hard work than Poyet put it but still they were "let go". If they stand outside Sparrows Lane asking for loyalty, for a payback of all those years of hard graft, giving up education and a social life, eating what they are told to, etc etc people would just laugh and say "bye, deadwood". You read that horrible word on here every summer and yet those very same people (I know not you Perry) scream for loyalty when the boot is on the other foot.
It's not fair and it's not right but life ain't fair sometimes.
My wife is a Senior Sister. She runs operating theatres. Literally life and death stuff. Does she get paid as much as even the lowest paid Charlton Pro? No, she don't. There's also a lot of bankers and city boys on here who earn more. Is that right? No, it ain't but that is reality of the world we live it.
If any of you want to send my wife some cash to make up for that inequality then feel free.
But no doubt some will say "it was her choice, should and could move to another profession, earn more in Dubai" They would be right but they would be missing the point and they won't see any contradiction in asking a nurse to move if she wants more money but slagging off a pro footballer for doing the same.
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Will take 20% sign on when he moves to Chelsea for £8million or so.
We move on.
Now, he's just alright, don't get forward enough and only passes sideways.
I reckon he has already spoken to Chelsea and probably been told to get a years experience in the prem.
Rio Ferdinand, Lampard, Joe Cole, Carrick, Glen Johnson, Anton Ferdinand, Mark Noble, Jack Collison, James Tomkins.
Good move for Poyet, decent chance of getting a game and has probably quadrupled his wages. Disappointed he didn't stay but can't exactly blame him for going.
1. How many of you, when you were 19, would have jeapordised the opportunity of your DREAM job, by signing a new work contract, at somewhere you no longer wanted to be ?
2. How many of you at 19, would have signed a new contract at Charlton, knowing full well, it would almost certainly, either put your possible once in a lifetime opportunity at risk, or give you a reduced wage, or reduced signing on fee ?
3. How many of you at 19 years old, living with your mum, would jeapordise your possible once in a lifetime opportunity, where you can remain living at home, surrounded by your friends and family, rather than having to move and not seeing any of them ?
Just put your name here, if you would have. I know I wouldn't have, as a 19 year old.
I've been going for 30+ years and he is one of the most gifted youngsters I have seen us produce. He looked like someone who had been playing the game for years, not an 18 year old playing his first professional games.
That's not a dig - it just shows how much he brought to the team without having to produce offensively.
With all that in mind it felt like the media awareness might hike his fee up and allow Charlton to play hardball over any transfer. But of course all that fell apart as he started showing what a great player he could be with his contract due to run out. The outcome is no big negotiations on our part, he just moves on and we lose our bargaining power. There's not really much point in trying to blame someone for it though. Maybe you could say the old owners should have tied him down to a new contract but really it's just an example of more bad luck on our part. It really rankles that we've again missed out on a big payday, when really Diego could have been our cash cow.
Technically excellent as a midfield sweeper / possession ticker over. Still has aspects to his game he needs to improve, particularly offensively, but the bottom line is that out of 20 first team appearances, he got 10 MoM on here, and featured as a top 3 player 17 times.
To me I thought he made an immense contribution to the team last season..... not the only one, but certainly appeared to play his heart out, and I never saw him bottle out of a challenge, or 'coast it'.
Yes he made some mistakes, but then his vision and cool head was far in excess of a player so young in my opinion. BUT he has gone, so good luck mate, hope you make it.... but I still think there is a long way to go even at West ham. In all honesty a good move if you are patient...... Not always a virtue that players seem to exercise much these days.
Or is the alternative to slag off a 19/20 as a "greedy lying ****" on social media. Yeah, sure that will bring the walls of Jericho down.
Poyet is a product of a system. Through luck but also hard work and talent the system has worked out for him. He gets a "dream" job (the dream is playing in the premier league not playing for West Ham before people jump on that).
Nearly all the 100s of kids who came up through the ranks with him have now been "let go". Bad luck, not enough talent but maybe just as much if not more hard work than Poyet put it but still they were "let go". If they stand outside Sparrows Lane asking for loyalty, for a payback of all those years of hard graft, giving up education and a social life, eating what they are told to, etc etc people would just laugh and say "bye, deadwood". You read that horrible word on here every summer and yet those very same people (I know not you Perry) scream for loyalty when the boot is on the other foot.
It's not fair and it's not right but life ain't fair sometimes.
My wife is a Senior Sister. She runs operating theatres. Literally life and death stuff. Does she get paid as much as even the lowest paid Charlton Pro? No, she don't. There's also a lot of bankers and city boys on here who earn more. Is that right? No, it ain't but that is reality of the world we live it.
If any of you want to send my wife some cash to make up for that inequality then feel free.
But no doubt some will say "it was her choice, should and could move to another profession, earn more in Dubai" They would be right but they would be missing the point and they won't see any contradiction in asking a nurse to move if she wants more money but slagging off a pro footballer for doing the same.
Here endeth the lecture.