Police appeal following attack in Charlton
Honestly can't believe this has happened in such an open place - I've often staggered drunk down that road and there's always cars going past. Just sickening.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2014-07-18/young-woman-walking-home-after-a-night-out-is-raped-and-robbed-at-a-south-london-bus-stop/
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Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.0
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Cowards.
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violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.2 -
Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.0 -
scum more like.Jarman said:Cowards.
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Sickening that, absolute scum.1
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I think we are just a little more aware now days.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.
These "people" need to be caught and removed from the rest of us. Might be with modern policing methods the scum are caught and delt with quickly.0 -
What i meant was, that there are so many of these types of crimes and stabbings in broad daylight and busy areas, it's like the cowards/scum don't seem to care if their seen or not.kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.
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Not really Stu. The best evidence for this comes from hospital A&E admissions, which show a consistent fall in numbers of people coming in with injuries caused by violence, etc. Hospitals have no motive for pretending that fewer people come in to A&E with injuries caused by violence, etc. (if anything, they would want to keep emphasising how busy/stretched they are). And there's no reason to believe people are less likely to seek hospital treatment.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.
This doesn't make incidents like this any less sickening or traumatic for those affected, of course.2 -
not at all, you can't skew figures of 71% or more in some western cities.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/violent-crime-cities_b_4760996.html
There's actually a theory that removing lead from petrol has led to this drop as violent crime started falling just after unleaded petrol was introduced. in the USA alone crime generally has fallen to levels last seen around the 1960s
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I think you will find reform of abortion laws would have caused this rather than lead in fuel.kentaddick said:
not at all, you can't skew figures of 71% or more in some western cities.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/violent-crime-cities_b_4760996.html
There's actually a theory that removing lead from petrol has led to this drop as violent crime started falling just after unleaded petrol was introduced. in the USA alone crime generally has fallen to levels last seen around the 1960s
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Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.0
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I've always lived in Bexleyheath but my Mum and Dad are originally from Woolwich / Plumstead / Abbey Wood area - Me and my Mum both travel to Woolwich Arsenal on the Bus and get the DLR to work (her to Bank.. me to Stratford) and the other day she was discussing the area around Lakedale Road and how nice it used to be etc...BrusselsAddick said:Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.
Just turned round and said... "Mum based on the area now (as we went past).. stop talking about it as you'll only depress yourself"1 -
That's b*ll*cks.BrusselsAddick said:Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.
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I lived in Woolwich and Plumstead in the 70's and early 80's and I agree with BrusselsAddick. In fact I think saying it has gone to the dogs is being kind.Vincenzo said:
That's b*ll*cks.BrusselsAddick said:Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.
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People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.3 -
Compared to Bexley, Woolwich is a shithole. I'm not being a Daily Mail reader here, I'm being honest.kentaddick said:People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.5 -
was it ever not one? I mean reaaaally?Brendan_O_Connell said:
Compared to Bexley, Woolwich is a shithole. I'm not being a Daily Mail reader here, I'm being honest.kentaddick said:People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.0 -
It was nice once. It has gone downhill though for many different reasons.kentaddick said:
was it ever not one? I mean reaaaally?Brendan_O_Connell said:
Compared to Bexley, Woolwich is a shithole. I'm not being a Daily Mail reader here, I'm being honest.kentaddick said:People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.0 -
I'm sure the young the young woman who was raped and robbed would take great comfort from that fact.kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
Still, it's always good to take precautions.
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i was responding to some one who said no where is safe these days. Please dont use some one else's suffering as a tool to vent the fact you're having a shit friday afternoonRedskin said:
I'm sure the young the young woman who was raped and robbed would take great comfort from that fact.kentaddick said:
violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.Charlton_Stu said:Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
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What a pile of crap. You didn't have teenagers running round stabbing each other, on a very regular basis, 40 years ago, like you do now.kentaddick said:People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.
I don't recall too many people being beheaded either !6 -
statistics don't lie! Nahh, back then you had people leaving car bombs around or blowing up bins for "irish independence", riots in brixton, power cuts every week. oh how i wish we were back to those golden days!Covered End said:
What a pile of crap. You didn't have teenagers running round stabbing each other, on a very regular basis, 40 years ago, like you do now.kentaddick said:People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.
I don't recall too many people being beheaded either !
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110218135832/http:/rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/crime-statistics-independent-review-06.pdf
"1.7 The trend in crime increased at a particularly steep rate between the 1970s and mid 1990s"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_NatureCovered End said:
What a pile of crap. You didn't have teenagers running round stabbing each other, on a very regular basis, 40 years ago, like you do now.kentaddick said:People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.
The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.
I don't recall too many people being beheaded either !
Pinker makes the argument that overall violence is declining. You'll have to read the book to see if you agree or disagree but he does have some statistics.
I tend to agree with what KentAddick is trying to say although I don't think he is doing his argument any favours the way he is putting it (yes, I know that's me saying that)
It is true someone was beheaded in Woolwich and that was terrible, on that we all agree. However 40 years (November 1974) ago two people were killed when a bomb was thrown into the Kings Arms, Woolwich. So there was violence then as now. Certainly Woolwich was a rough and violent place when I grew up nearby in the 70s and from the stories my dad told it was more violent in the 30s (Squaddies, Sailors and locals fighting in the streets, Horse Artillery men using the spurs on their boots on their opponents once they went down.
However, what matters now is that poor woman being helped to re-build her life and the three pieces of scum who did it getting caught and severely punished.
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Bromley has gone to the dogs.
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Violence has changed IMO. Back in the 70's it was more a case of you knew where it was more LIKELY to be and you had more chance of avoiding it.
So football hooligans, could be avoided. Lewisham riots could be avoided. Brixton riots could be avoided, unless you lived there.
Ok, if you was in Woolwich late at night, you might get jumped or mugged, (I did), but there wasn't so many stabbings.
I think someone was stabbed in Woolwich a couple of weeks ago.
Jimmy Mizzen, Robbie Knox et al RIP to them.
No way were there stabbings like there are now & that's my point. Murders of "kids" by "kids", in Lee, Sidcup.
Why are we having football against knife crime initiatives, if it's decreasing ?
Additionally, a lot of crimes are now unreported, because many police stations have closed and the police don't even bother investigating many crimes, so what's the point. No one can say how many go unreported, for obvious reasons.
If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?2 -
I agree about the use of knives but that did still happened and people getting "bottled" or "glassed" was a lot more common then. That has reduced, in part because of plastic glasses and part because pubs are fewer and different places to drink.Covered End said:Violence has changed IMO. Back in the 70's it was more a case of you knew where it was more LIKELY to be and you had more chance of avoiding it.
So football hooligans, could be avoided. Lewisham riots could be avoided. Brixton riots could be avoided, unless you lived there.
Ok, if you was in Woolwich late at night, you might get jumped or mugged, (I did), but there wasn't so many stabbings.
I think someone was stabbed in Woolwich a couple of weeks ago.
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immy Mizzen, Robbie Knox et al RIP to them.
No way was their stabbings like there are now & that's my point. Murders of "kids" by "kids", in Lee, Sidcup.
Additionally, a lot of crimes are now unreported, because many police stations have closed and the police don't even bother investigating many crimes, so what's the point. No one can say how many go unreported, for obvious reasons.
If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?
The stats about lower numbers of people reporting to A & E with injuries caused by violence suggest that while crime may or may not be reported the actual incidences of such violence are going down.
Politics and trade disputes are also much less violent (other than some fringe groups like the EDLv Anti-fascists) than they were 40 years ago. The miners strike was very violent (orgrave) as were some demos such as Lewisham, Grunwig, etc etc that I recall. Mosley's fascist were violently opposed in the streets in the thirties and got chased out of Woolwich (again very violently according to my dad who was very much involved) in the 50s. Those things were almost taken for granted then but would be seen as shocking now.0 -
Well what do you expect with that attitude.Covered End said:
If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?
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So no one ever got raped or mugged before the modern era? I'm sure they were just looking for it though since they knew where it had come from.Covered End said:Violence has changed IMO. Back in the 70's it was more a case of you knew where it was more LIKELY to be and you had more chance of avoiding it.
So football hooligans, could be avoided. Lewisham riots could be avoided. Brixton riots could be avoided, unless you lived there.
Ok, if you was in Woolwich late at night, you might get jumped or mugged, (I did), but there wasn't so many stabbings.
I think someone was stabbed in Woolwich a couple of weeks ago.
Jimmy Mizzen, Robbie Knox et al RIP to them.
No way were there stabbings like there are now & that's my point. Murders of "kids" by "kids", in Lee, Sidcup.
Why are we having football against knife crime initiatives, if it's decreasing ?
Additionally, a lot of crimes are now unreported, because many police stations have closed and the police don't even bother investigating many crimes, so what's the point. No one can say how many go unreported, for obvious reasons.
If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?
As I said, 24 hour news channels and the internet news has made people like you think there's no escape from crime. Crime hasn't changed, it's just you know of more crimes because it's thrown in your face every day.
If you don't report crime, however petty you think it is then you're part of the problem.1 -
kent, I'll leave it there. It's not worth debating with you, when you spin what I'm saying.1
