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The 'token' last minute Morgan Fox substitutions?

cafctom
cafctom Posts: 11,394
in General Charlton
Does anybody have any idea why Bob Peeters always seems to bring on Morgan Fox in the 89th/90th minute of most games?

Not having a dig at him by the way, but I'm just trying to understand exactly what the logic is. He's not a solid defender yet as he is still developing, and he isn't a player who is going to naturally do a lot going forward if we are looking to get three points. There doesn't seem to be an obvious explanation for it.

Have seen it happen 4-5 times this season I think so am curious to know if there is another reason behind it, maybe Bob/the club being incentivised to use more youth products per match or something.

Any ideas?

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,438
    Another let's slag off Bob Peeters' subs thread : - )

    Seriously, I think you are doing Morgan a disservice. He is a decent left sided defender and he's done well when I've seen him play either at LB or LM but less so in CM as against Brum.

    He brings fresh legs late on and uses a little time with the sub as well slowing the game down and giving the players a breather with the stoppage.
  • Granpa
    Granpa Posts: 2,995
    I think that it is simply to waste a bit of time which all Clubs do now depending upon the score. Also getting him bedded in as a member of the first team squad. I am enjoying the emergence of the youngsters with Terrell Thomas the latest to appear on the scene, all part of the plan for the future.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    gets experience of a match situation, feels part of the team and isn't a bad left back at all. Hopefully gets him chomping at the bit. Remember this is exactly what Parky did with Scott Wagstaff which turned him from having no confidence at all to being a good league one professional that could be dangerous late on with an eye for goal.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,339
    Thought it was a strange decision to bring him on for Cousins on Saturday when we were at home, 1-1. Harriott may have been a better option.
  • Stone
    Stone Posts: 3,026
    Does this also have the potential to add to a players value when another team looks at his stats/appearances/experience? Not saying that's why he was bought on btw.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,714
    The substitution on Saturday was enforced.

    he probably decided to take the point he had in time added on or very close to it, hence Morgan, rather than risk going for it with Harriott or Ahearne-Grant.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,979
    The Red Robin said:

    Thought it was a strange decision to bring him on for Cousins on Saturday when we were at home, 1-1. Harriott may have been a better option to come on like a headless chicken and give the ball away and put us under pressure.

    I finished your sentence for you

  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,339
    Swisdom said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Thought it was a strange decision to bring him on for Cousins on Saturday when we were at home, 1-1. Harriott may have been a better option to come on like a headless chicken and give the ball away and put us under pressure.

    I finished your sentence for you

    Depends if we got the Harriott from the back-end of last season who played a big part in keeping us up.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,979
    The Red Robin said:

    Swisdom said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Thought it was a strange decision to bring him on for Cousins on Saturday when we were at home, 1-1. Harriott may have been a better option to come on like a headless chicken and give the ball away and put us under pressure.

    I finished your sentence for you

    Depends if we got the Harriott from the back-end of last season who played a big part in keeping us up.

    He's stuck in last season's early form (headless chicken mode).

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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,339
    Swisdom said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Swisdom said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Thought it was a strange decision to bring him on for Cousins on Saturday when we were at home, 1-1. Harriott may have been a better option to come on like a headless chicken and give the ball away and put us under pressure.

    I finished your sentence for you

    Depends if we got the Harriott from the back-end of last season who played a big part in keeping us up.

    He's stuck in last season's early form (headless chicken mode).
    I think that may be slightly harsh. He's hardly featured this season. Difficult to judge so far.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,394
    Henry Irving said:

    Another let's slag off Bob Peeters' subs thread : - )

    Seriously, I think you are doing Morgan a disservice. He is a decent left sided defender and he's done well when I've seen him play either at LB or LM but less so in CM as against Brum.

    He brings fresh legs late on and uses a little time with the sub as well slowing the game down and giving the players a breather with the stoppage.

    I think he is a decent player too from the games I saw him play last season. By no means spectacular but will do a job.

    I guess I'm trying to understand exactly why it is always Morgan Fox that comes on. As I said, he isn't an obvious choice to help us hold onto a lead from LB or LM, and he isn't likely to be a goal threat if he is played in midfield.

    It happened at Brighton when we were 2-1 up - surely that would be a time to bring on a player like Morrison?
    It happened away at Brentford and Rotherham, as well as 1-1 at home to Birmingham and Wolves - were we just settling for draws in the last few moments of all four of those games? If so, then why make any changes at such a late stage?

    Just seems a bit bizarre to me as to why it is always Foxy, and always with about 1-2 minutes to go.
  • itsmyball
    itsmyball Posts: 300
    id hate to think the questions that would be asked if we were not unbeaten , or god for bid 2 points off the bottom
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    I do find these threads rather odd. It's almost like you want to criticise Bob Peeters but you haven't got much ammunition. I think it is purely a time wasting activity.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,394
    edited October 2014
    Maybe read the original post and notice where I clearly say "I'm not having a dig"? I'm not negatively criticizing at all, as he has done a brilliant job.

    I've not even said that he shouldn't be bringing Fox on - just trying to understand what the logic is behind it, as I'm sure there is.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,399
    I have spent a long time thinking about this and realised I don't care as long as we carry on unbeaten.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,531
    He's almost as slow as basey too!
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,136
    Dazzler21 said:

    He's almost as slow as basey too!

    Have you nothing positive to say, about Charlton, or just a wind-up merchant
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,701
    Tom , you need to take up suduko.
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    Henry Irving said:


    He brings fresh legs late on and uses a little time with the sub as well slowing the game down and giving the players a breather with the stoppage.

    Yes but any substitute does that, fresh legs and kills time.. why Morgan Fox I think was this guys question? It's a valid point.. is it a habit? If you keep repeating it I think other managers will be prepared for it too, and at his age he isn't the scariest defender to come up against. No disservice to him, as he looks a good player on his day

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