When will our fans learn some psychology and realise that giving former players grief from the terraces more often than not results in the player concerned responding on the pitch. Something that was a nailed on certainty with Scotty.
When the whole world saw in the first half that we played slowly and dimly, yet in the second we were energised with fluency and aggression, it raises the question: why shouldn't the obverse be possible?
If we had kicked off at 7.45 last night playing the way we did in the second half, it might have been us trotting in at the break 2-0 up, not Fulham, who were in the bottom three, never forget. Derby are a seriously good team, and their only defeat this season was two months ago at The Valley when we took the game by the scruff of the neck right from the start and stamped our authority. We have the same players - yet what has happened to them between August and October?
Loss of fitness? Weak coaching? Bad management? With their excuses and apologies, some Lifers would be delighted if we finished seventeenth next May. The Valley of 15,000 fans demand much better than that.
The reason the second half was better was because Fulham had a 2-0 lead and could sit and soak up pressure. Therefore we had possession and made chances but how many times did they look like they were struggling? It was a shite performance against a team with admittedly some Premiership quality.
We didn't deserve to lose but neither did fulham. First half we looked utterly outclassed. Buyens igor and gudmundson make such a difference to us it's ridiculous. We definitely need 4plus quality players added and I think RD knows that. Maybe I'll have a word with my ex Mrs who is sweedish and is good friends with Astrit ajdarevic, convince him to come back!!!
We didn't deserve to lose but neither did fulham. First half we looked utterly outclassed. Buyens igor and gudmundson make such a difference to us it's ridiculous. We definitely need 4plus quality players added and I think RD knows that. Maybe I'll have a word with my ex Mrs who is sweedish and is good friends with Astrit ajdarevic, convince him to come back!!!
I might be under a total misapprehension here .. Buyens is generally an accurate and incisive passer, but against Fulham, with Cousins & Jackson in the centre, we appeared to move the ball forward much quicker and more towards the wings than in some other games that I've seen this season .. am I wrong/right/going blind/gone crazy ? .. or was this just a matter of necessity as we were 2 down very early on ?
We didn't deserve to lose but neither did fulham. First half we looked utterly outclassed. Buyens igor and gudmundson make such a difference to us it's ridiculous. We definitely need 4plus quality players added and I think RD knows that. Maybe I'll have a word with my ex Mrs who is sweedish and is good friends with Astrit ajdarevic, convince him to come back!!!
The way that Charlton started the first 15 minutes, I am not sure how you can say that Charlton deserved not to lose. No team can get away with starting like that in the Championship on a regular basis and expect anything from the game. Most of the teams have some quality in the attack who punish mistakes. Maybe in League 1, a team may get away with it but not in the Championships. After recovering from the shell shock, Charlton played better in the second, but didn't really create clear chances until Lawrie Wilson hit the post in the last minute of the game.
Agree Charlton need 4 quality players for promotion with 2 to be comfortable mid table.
Not enthusiastic about Astrit. Astrit fitness is suspect and I would need convincing that he doesn't think that he is too good for Charlton and the Championships. I think that if Astrit had a more committed attitude, then he would have potential to be a really good player. That requires hard work and diligence, not sure if that is part of Astrit's make up. Is Astrit a team player for when the team is up against it ?
Regards RD, I am not sure you can take anything for granted what RD thinks is appropriate for a team to compete. RD sold Standard Liege star players and then when the replacements have not worked out, he fired Luzon, holding Luzon responsible for the overall strategy. Regards Charlton, no Charlton supporter can assume that there will be any additions in January 15 (particularly with irate Standard fans demanding improvements for the team). Very happy to be proved to be wrong about the January window.
Last season was a gamble with Charlton's championship status and I don't see much evidence that this season will be any difference with the thin squad that Charlton has. There is a bit of quality there but no depth to allow for inevitable suspensions, injuries and loss of form. Playing the youngsters may help for the future, in a season or 2 (or attracting good youngsters who will sign as they will get first team football). Finding the balance between blending quality, experience and progressing youth is the magic formula, and not easy. The way the season progresses will prove it. The balance does not look right at the moment.
The championship is fast becoming if not already premier league 2. There is no time to blood so many youngsters in at this level at this stage of the season, the teams that end up on top will have quality right through their ranks and in depth, and with parachute payments going on for years a lot of clubs that usually would, wont get a look in. If RD doesnt get the cheque book out soon or get in a quality loan player we will end up fighting every year like the last one.
Randomly 'bumped' into Big Bob (ok l actually followed him in, stalker-like) in a pub last night, having almost sideswiped his Porsche in shock when he got out right in front of me.
His view of Friday was as many have said here. He was really pleased with the overall performance, one of the best of the season in his eyes, it was just the mad first 15 minutes that did it which he couldn't really explain. 'That's football'. As for whether a new striker is coming in - 'ask the Chairman'. He obviously wants one, but l suspect he accepts things are the way they are and probably not going to change anytime soon.
He'd been to Reading v Blackpool yesterday - he did the old builder's 'it's gonna cost you' intake of breath when he mentioned Blackpool as they're in such a bad way, and was genuinely shocked by the Birmingham result. I wanted to ask about Riga when he mentioned Blackpool, but didn't want to outstay my welcome.
Not the most illuminating chat all in all, but very nice bloke - happy to talk to CAFC fans, even though he just wanted a quiet pint and wanted to go somewhere 'where there were no Millwall'. Not that l think he would have been too disturbed if there were.
His view of Friday was as many have said here. He was really pleased with the overall performance, one of the best of the season in his eyes, it was just the mad first 15 minutes that did it which he couldn't really explain.
Now I respect Big Bob and the start he's made for us as a manager but that's far from the truth, just because for the first time in a game we dominated for a period of time, doesn't make it our best performance, far from it. Firstly that was because Fulham sat off us in the second half, and still won that half itself 1-0. They basically used our usual tactics in the second and executed it perfectly.. cling on for dear life then catch us out.
I'd call it a poor performance because Fulham gave us plenty of chances to get back into the game, we still lost the game from the 20th minute onwards after our crazy bad start. But that's just my opinion.. he's taking positives out of a negative situation player wise, the only bright spark from that whole game was Johann when subbed on, linking play with ease and KAG running at defenders with confidence. Everyone else may aswell have stayed at home.
His view of Friday was as many have said here. He was really pleased with the overall performance, one of the best of the season in his eyes, it was just the mad first 15 minutes that did it which he couldn't really explain.
Now I respect Big Bob and the start he's made for us as a manager but that's far from the truth, just because for the first time in a game we dominated for a period of time, doesn't make it our best performance, far from it. Firstly that was because Fulham sat off us in the second half, and still won that half itself 1-0. They basically used our usual tactics in the second and executed it perfectly.. cling on for dear life then catch us out.
I'd call it a poor performance because Fulham gave us plenty of chances to get back into the game, we still lost the game from the 20th minute onwards after our crazy bad start. But that's just my opinion.. he's taking positives out of a negative situation player wise, the only bright spark from that whole game was Johann when subbed on, linking play with ease and KAG running at defenders with confidence. Everyone else may aswell have stayed at home.
We lost the game in the first twelve minutes because we are physically weak in every tackle, we are technically unable to control the ball, and even when we have possession we lack the basic skills to move and receive. Weak midfield.
It's quite disingenuous to wonder about the second half at Fulham. If we had scored, by luck and deflection, Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1. It was well within their capability - but not ours.
Duchatelet wants everything done on the cheap. We have the wrong manager: Peeters would like to kick every ball that he missed as a player: he can't believe his luck in the Championship with 15,000 quiescent fans every week. We also have the wrong players: even the East Stand is in uproar when yet another midfield pass is stalled, ignored, miscontrolled, skied or shanked.
Our academy graduates have found their level: they might do well at Newport, Orient, Wimbledon and Welling United.
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand is in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand are in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
I know I've said it before, but this is just top trolling
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand are in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
I know I've said it before, but this is just top trolling
I must admit I'm starting to wonder. VF's posts have changed from when he first used to post. It's as if he's always fishing for a bite nowadays.
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand are in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
I know I've said it before, but this is just top trolling
I must admit I'm starting to wonder. VF's posts have changed from when he first used to post. It's as if he's always fishing for a bite nowadays.
Whaddya mean my posts have changed nowadays? I trust they are still received loud and clear - Tony Benn was wrong with some things, but he was bloody right when he said: "Say what you mean, and mean what you say".
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand are in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
I know I've said it before, but this is just top trolling
I must admit I'm starting to wonder. VF's posts have changed from when he first used to post. It's as if he's always fishing for a bite nowadays.
Whaddya mean my posts have changed nowadays? I trust they are still received loud and clear - Tony Benn was wrong with some things, but he was bloody right when he said: "Say what you mean, and mean what you say".
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand are in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
I know I've said it before, but this is just top trolling
I must admit I'm starting to wonder. VF's posts have changed from when he first used to post. It's as if he's always fishing for a bite nowadays.
Whaddya mean my posts have changed nowadays? I trust they are still received loud and clear - Tony Benn was wrong with some things, but he was bloody right when he said: "Say what you mean, and mean what you say".
Fair enough VF. It takes all sorts
i was never keen on all sorts. too much liquorice for my liking.
With our misplaced passes and hapless defending all in the first eleven minutes it's disingenuous to think we might win. Let's imagine we had scored in the second half - by a lucky deflection - Fulham would have stormed forward and won 5-1.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand are in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
I know I've said it before, but this is just top trolling
I must admit I'm starting to wonder. VF's posts have changed from when he first used to post. It's as if he's always fishing for a bite nowadays.
Whaddya mean my posts have changed nowadays? I trust they are still received loud and clear - Tony Benn was wrong with some things, but he was bloody right when he said: "Say what you mean, and mean what you say".
Fair enough VF. It takes all sorts
i was never keen on all sorts. too much liquorice for my liking.
The reason the second half was better was because Fulham had a 2-0 lead and could sit and soak up pressure. Therefore we had possession and made chances but how many times did they look like they were struggling? It was a shite performance against a team with admittedly some Premiership quality.
So, basically, Fulham did a Charlton on us.
Yup so being the beaten side most people's views meant we were rubbish didnt deserve anything from the game...
Next week we'll win 2-0 in the First-Half and be lucky to take all three points in the second half followed by everyone coming on here saying we were rubbish, didnt deserve anything from the game and that its only a matter of time before we're beaten 8-0 by someone
And I've gotta say, if you sat in P5 row J in a replica shirt....You Fucking stink. Honestly, have a wash. From kick off it was like standing next to the shit factory in Thamesmead. BO central. Woman in front of me was offering her perfume is was that bad. You were the green mist rolling in from the thames. Cheers stinky Pete.
In case P5 row J missed the warnings raised by Greenie on another thread, before using the bar of soap pick off the curly clock springs that don't belong to you.
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Decent week , thanks but have arrived home with a tad more weight than when I left....
Sore throat led to an enlarged gland( careful! ) and I'm feeling rather fragile at the minute.
Bloody holidays !
If we had kicked off at 7.45 last night playing the way we did in the second half, it might have been us trotting in at the break 2-0 up, not Fulham, who were in the bottom three, never forget. Derby are a seriously good team, and their only defeat this season was two months ago at The Valley when we took the game by the scruff of the neck right from the start and stamped our authority. We have the same players - yet what has happened to them between August and October?
Loss of fitness? Weak coaching? Bad management? With their excuses and apologies, some Lifers would be delighted if we finished seventeenth next May. The Valley of 15,000 fans demand much better than that.
Agree Charlton need 4 quality players for promotion with 2 to be comfortable mid table.
Not enthusiastic about Astrit. Astrit fitness is suspect and I would need convincing that he doesn't think that he is too good for Charlton and the Championships. I think that if Astrit had a more committed attitude, then he would have potential to be a really good player. That requires hard work and diligence, not sure if that is part of Astrit's make up. Is Astrit a team player for when the team is up against it ?
Regards RD, I am not sure you can take anything for granted what RD thinks is appropriate for a team to compete. RD sold Standard Liege star players and then when the replacements have not worked out, he fired Luzon, holding Luzon responsible for the overall strategy. Regards Charlton, no Charlton supporter can assume that there will be any additions in January 15 (particularly with irate Standard fans demanding improvements for the team). Very happy to be proved to be wrong about the January window.
Last season was a gamble with Charlton's championship status and I don't see much evidence that this season will be any difference with the thin squad that Charlton has. There is a bit of quality there but no depth to allow for inevitable suspensions, injuries and loss of form. Playing the youngsters may help for the future, in a season or 2 (or attracting good youngsters who will sign as they will get first team football). Finding the balance between blending quality, experience and progressing youth is the magic formula, and not easy. The way the season progresses will prove it. The balance does not look right at the moment.
His view of Friday was as many have said here. He was really pleased with the overall performance, one of the best of the season in his eyes, it was just the mad first 15 minutes that did it which he couldn't really explain. 'That's football'. As for whether a new striker is coming in - 'ask the Chairman'. He obviously wants one, but l suspect he accepts things are the way they are and probably not going to change anytime soon.
He'd been to Reading v Blackpool yesterday - he did the old builder's 'it's gonna cost you' intake of breath when he mentioned Blackpool as they're in such a bad way, and was genuinely shocked by the Birmingham result. I wanted to ask about Riga when he mentioned Blackpool, but didn't want to outstay my welcome.
Not the most illuminating chat all in all, but very nice bloke - happy to talk to CAFC fans, even though he just wanted a quiet pint and wanted to go somewhere 'where there were no Millwall'. Not that l think he would have been too disturbed if there were.
I'd call it a poor performance because Fulham gave us plenty of chances to get back into the game, we still lost the game from the 20th minute onwards after our crazy bad start. But that's just my opinion.. he's taking positives out of a negative situation player wise, the only bright spark from that whole game was Johann when subbed on, linking play with ease and KAG running at defenders with confidence. Everyone else may aswell have stayed at home.
At The Valley, even the usually quiescent East Stand is in uproar by our regular midfield passes stalled, ignored, over-hit, miscontrolled, shanked and skied.
Our brilliant academy graduates have found precisely their natural level: at Orient, Newport, Torquay and Welling United.
Next week we'll win 2-0 in the First-Half and be lucky to take all three points in the second half followed by everyone coming on here saying we were rubbish, didnt deserve anything from the game and that its only a matter of time before we're beaten 8-0 by someone
Fox and Solly had poor games, George and Moussa looked alright but knackered that's about it really.
Need to get stuck into millwall from the off or' they'll do the same as foolham did to us.