"Lennie"
Assuming someone on here may have read it, Is it an interesting read and worth the purchase?
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It's ok, but could have been better with more old Charlton stories.0
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Excellent book.0
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Publishers totally mis-judged the market by focusing on too much on Boro and poorly ghost wriiten.
If you can get it cheap on Amazon then fine but a most disappointing book.1 -
as above
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If the charlton highlights are too ignored sounds it's a bit disappointing.
Considering he managed his highest percentage of games with us.0 -
With the hardback copy being over £10 and it sounding like his charlton experience doesn't go too in depth, I think I will pass.0
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I can't imagine Boro fans wanting to read about him time there either, the Robson era that followed is what they would be interested inHenry Irving said:
Publishers totally mis-judged the market by focusing on too much on Boro and poorly ghost wriiten.
If you can get it cheap on Amazon then fine but a most disappointing book.0 -
Keith Peacock's 'No Substitute. and Gary Nelson's books are far better. 'Lennie', fr0m a CAFC point of view, was very disappointing but it did make Curbs' book look like a Mann- Booker prize winner.3
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Not very controversial
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autobiographies shouldn't be imo. "A lot of hard yakka" is possibly my favourite sportsman autobiography and that's as controversial as a packet of crisps. Still a brilliant and insightful read into the world of county cricket at the time.ElfsborgAddick said:Not very controversial
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Gary Nelson's Left Foot Forward, best out of all the Charlton books.
Should have won something.1 -
Jesus H Christ... It's a good book. How come so many people have so many bloody complicated views? Just buy it, good read.0
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There are two types of autobiographies, those that are a bloody good read and offer an insight into specific moments in a man's life, and others that simply re-tell what happened. This one fell into the latter.0
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Agree it was a disappointing book particularly as for years Lennie had spoken about what a great book he could write about what really went on when he was manager with us.Henry Irving said:
Publishers totally mis-judged the market by focusing on too much on Boro and poorly ghost wriiten.
If you can get it cheap on Amazon then fine but a most disappointing book.
However it was not all surprising we do not get the primary focus when you consider how little recognition the club have given him in recent times. For example:
No bust of him in the main stairway when the other 2 great managers have one
No naming of a stand after him despite 1 of the other 2 great managers have one
No suite named after him
No announcement from the clubs tannoy announcer when he has entered the arenas on his past 4 visits with Bristol Rovers/Palace/Bolton. Unlike Kins with Colchester in August and no doubt Powelly (quite rightly) will get in February1 -
Might have something to do with running off with Middlesbrough and nicking a couple of our players for peanuts. Don't think some at the club that have been around a while think very much of him, despite his Houdini actions.1
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His first game back (wiith Luton) he was given a presentational gift on the pitch0
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At the end of the day, his time with us would be the most interesting part of his career for a neutral to read about. He did a decent job at Boro, but got dumped before things got interesting with Robson's big name signings, and his career after that was like lots of other journeyman managers.
His time with us saw Simonsen, bankruptcy ground sharing, promotion to the 1st Division and an extraordinary period of keeping us up (including the play off win, that win over Man U and the Battle of the Bridge). There should have been a good book in that lot...2 -
Not forgetting the derisory insulting initial bid of £250k for Robert Lee when he knew how we needed the cash to get back to the Valley cos he'd just left uskentaddick said:Might have something to do with running off with Middlesbrough and nicking a couple of our players for peanuts. Don't think some at the club that have been around a while think very much of him, despite his Houdini actions.
Totally understand he's gotta do what's best for his new club but his fannying fucked it up with regards Lee and he missed out on a gem1 -
Absolutey this^. Not forgetting the fall out he had with Walshie whom he sent out on loan to Boro and then shortly ended up following him there as manager! Thankfully Walshie didn't get much choice and came back home otherwise history would have been rewritten on our return to the 'Shrine'.killerandflash said:At the end of the day, his time with us would be the most interesting part of his career for a neutral to read about. He did a decent job at Boro, but got dumped before things got interesting with Robson's big name signings, and his career after that was like lots of other journeyman managers.
His time with us saw Simonsen, bankruptcy ground sharing, promotion to the 1st Division and an extraordinary period of keeping us up (including the play off win, that win over Man U and the Battle of the Bridge). There should have been a good book in that lot...0 -
I will always have good memories of Lennie Lawrence and Eddie May. How he got us out of the 2nd Division and into the top division on very little money spent was miraculous. Bringing in the likes of Humphrey, Reid, Pender, Thompson, Shirtliff Williams etc showed not only a deep knowledge of the players out there, but he also brought in the right characters. We nearly went out of existence and also left the Valley under his stewardship, two huge events in the Clubs history, but Lennie just seemed to take it in his stride.3
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Andy Peake (30 years old) was the only player Lennie signed from Charlton during his time at Boro.kentaddick said:Might have something to do with running off with Middlesbrough and nicking a couple of our players for peanuts. Don't think some at the club that have been around a while think very much of him, despite his Houdini actions.
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At the same time we sold Barness for £350k, These sales were desperately needed to pay off tax bills and other debts. Without them, our club would have been finishedoohaahmortimer said:
Not forgetting the derisory insulting initial bid of £250k for Robert Lee when he knew how we needed the cash to get back to the Valley cos he'd just left uskentaddick said:Might have something to do with running off with Middlesbrough and nicking a couple of our players for peanuts. Don't think some at the club that have been around a while think very much of him, despite his Houdini actions.
Totally understand he's gotta do what's best for his new club but his fannying fucked it up with regards Lee and he missed out on a gem
Can you imagine if Lord Alan had tried to pull as low a stunt as Lawrence's at such a critical point in Charlton's survival.0 -
i remember him putting a couple of bids in at the time which were very low because he knew we were in trouble, but i stand corrected.shirty5 said:
Andy Peake (30 years old) was the only player Lennie signed from Charlton during his time at Boro.kentaddick said:Might have something to do with running off with Middlesbrough and nicking a couple of our players for peanuts. Don't think some at the club that have been around a while think very much of him, despite his Houdini actions.
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i knew Lennie relatively well before his spell with Charlton and his character doesnt come through as well as it could do in the book .As other posters have put peacocks and especially Gary Nelsons book are well worth a read .Henry Irving said:
Publishers totally mis-judged the market by focusing on too much on Boro and poorly ghost wriiten.
If you can get it cheap on Amazon then fine but a most disappointing book.
I d certainly buy a Derek Hales autobiography if ever there was one ...think hed have some great stories
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Lennie Lawrence is legend.............could not give a f*** about what negatives may be aimed at him.dickplumb said:I will always have good memories of Lennie Lawrence and Eddie May. How he got us out of the 2nd Division and into the top division on very little money spent was miraculous. Bringing in the likes of Humphrey, Reid, Pender, Thompson, Shirtliff Williams etc showed not only a deep knowledge of the players out there, but he also brought in the right characters. We nearly went out of existence and also left the Valley under his stewardship, two huge events in the Clubs history, but Lennie just seemed to take it in his stride.
If we had lost at St Andrews in '87 we would have been finished(thank you Mr Shirtliff also).3
