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Matthew and Roberts back in charge at Charlton as Luzon misses out on work permit

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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,629
    randy andy said:

    For a layman's perspective, Luzon would surely fail 3 of those 4 criteria.

    No he wont

  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Is it a given that Luzon will earn more than £3k per week? Surely the only reason he got the job is cos he's cheap.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,787
    harveys gardener said:

    Is it a given that Luzon will earn more than £3k per week? Surely the only reason he got the job is cos he's cheap.

    I assume, with his original SL contract coincidentally running out in the summer of 2016, Roland was hoping to continue paying him what he was on before he joined us thus not needing to shell out on a new employee within the network.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
    fmaddick said:

    and
     you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and
     your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.

    Exactly. Both Paul Jewell and Dougie Freedman are available.

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,237
    fmaddick said:



    In order for a Certificate of Sponsorship to be assigned, your sponsor will need to have obtained an endorsement for you from the appropriate governing body for your sport. The endorsement will confirm that:
     you are internationally established as a player or coach at the highest level, and
     you will make a significant contribution to the development of your sport at the highest
    level in the UK; and
     you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and
     your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.

    No mention of an exception for high paid workers there.

    I would say he meets 1 and 3.

    2 is hard to say. What is a significant contribution

    4 is very subjective. There are at least 20 people who applied but whose to say that Paul Jewel or anyone else British and available is better?
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    Oggy Red said:

    fmaddick said:

    and
     you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and
     your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.

    Exactly. Both Paul Jewell and Dougie Freedman are available.

    Page 86
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/371099/Tier_25_Sponsor_Guidance_11-14.pdf
  • waldo
    waldo Posts: 495
    Really cannot understand what all the fuss is about. Surely his first priority is to refurbish his office, shower etc?
    Also please stop 'bullying' KM!
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    I don't think GL being at the training ground or even the match (not the dugout obv) will prove to be any sort of problem. Work permits are required before the UK employer is allowed to pay any employee requiring a wp. I'm sure GL won't be due to receive any salary from CAFC just yet. All sorts of English teams have had jonny foreigner managers/coaches appointed from all sorts of footballing backwaters without wp refusals.
    Good to have another stick to beat Roly Douchebag with for a day or two tho, that never gets old.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    edited January 2015
    fmaddick said:

    Regarding the question as to whether the club would need to demonstrate no UK based individual could do the job, a previous poster who seemed to have some expertise suggested this was not an issue if the individual earned over 3k p/w. However, I found another document on the home office site that states:

    In order for a Certificate of Sponsorship to be assigned, your sponsor will need to have obtained an endorsement for you from the appropriate governing body for your sport. The endorsement will confirm that:
     you are internationally established as a player or coach at the highest level, and
     you will make a significant contribution to the development of your sport at the highest
    level in the UK; and
     you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and
     your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.

    No mention of an exception for high paid workers there.

    to be fair you could make an arguement for the first two. He was israel u21 manager i believe (highest level) and didn't he manage standard in the champions league? And with our development of youth they can say he'll play young local players.

    just think it's a cock up by the club rather than the home office digging their heels.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    It says a "suitable settled worker". Doesn't mean "better"

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  • fmaddick
    fmaddick Posts: 182
    edited January 2015

    The governing body must support the application, which includes the fact that
    c) it is suitable to fill the post with a migrant and not a person who is settled in UK.

    Can the FA really agree (or be seen to be agreeing) that it is suitable to fill the post with a migrant, not someone in the UK? As far as I am aware, the vast majority of these cases involve Premier League players, not Championship managers.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    PragueAddick said:

    It says a "suitable settled worker". Doesn't mean "better"

    For the record, and for about the fourth time - Luzon is exempt from the fourth criteria.

    I've been very fortunate to con enough people throughout my career and am now the Group HR Director for a group that includes a Premiership Football Club. I am also the Authorising Officer for our Sponsorship Licence - this is one of the few areas where I can claim to be ITK.

    As I said last night on this thread - Luzon WILL get his work permit.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    bobmunro said:

    PragueAddick said:

    It says a "suitable settled worker". Doesn't mean "better"

    For the record, and for about the fourth time - Luzon is exempt from the fourth criteria.

    I've been very fortunate to con enough people throughout my career and am now the Group HR Director for a group that includes a Premiership Football Club. I am also the Authorising Officer for our Sponsorship Licence - this is one of the few areas where I can claim to be ITK.

    As I said last night on this thread - Luzon WILL get his work permit.
    Fair enough Bob, and good to know you have the specialist knowledge.

  • fmaddick
    fmaddick Posts: 182
    Thanks Bob. I have always been of the opinion he would get a work permit one way or another anyway, from a personal perspective I'm just satisfying myself of the laws that are in place!
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    edited January 2015
    PragueAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    PragueAddick said:

    It says a "suitable settled worker". Doesn't mean "better"

    For the record, and for about the fourth time - Luzon is exempt from the fourth criteria.

    I've been very fortunate to con enough people throughout my career and am now the Group HR Director for a group that includes a Premiership Football Club. I am also the Authorising Officer for our Sponsorship Licence - this is one of the few areas where I can claim to be ITK.

    As I said last night on this thread - Luzon WILL get his work permit.
    Fair enough Bob, and good to know you have the specialist knowledge.

    I wouldn't go as far as 'specialist', Prague. Like all questions, there are no hard or difficult ones, just some you know the answer to and some you don't!
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    Still a chance for Curbs then.
  • Jensenwasclass
    Jensenwasclass Posts: 835
    RD: Katrien did you save me £6,000 and get the work permit For Guy, so I don't have to pay him any redundancy?

    KM: Sorry Master (Mr Roland) looks like I/We have goofed again!
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,882
    edited January 2015
    The problem is not Luzon or whoever manages/coaches, but the need for some additional quality in the squad. The delay in confirmation of the new head coach results in less time to get in that additional quality. That's not good.

    Without a couple of quality players, any head coach is going to struggle.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,801
    Oggy Red said:

    fmaddick said:

    and
     you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and
     your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.

    Exactly. Both Paul Jewell and Dougie Freedman are available.

    Two proven failures.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,801
    bobmunro said:

    PragueAddick said:

    It says a "suitable settled worker". Doesn't mean "better"

    For the record, and for about the fourth time - Luzon is exempt from the fourth criteria.

    I've been very fortunate to con enough people throughout my career and am now the Group HR Director for a group that includes a Premiership Football Club. I am also the Authorising Officer for our Sponsorship Licence - this is one of the few areas where I can claim to be ITK.

    As I said last night on this thread - Luzon WILL get his work permit.
    Group HR Director and you don't know the singular of 'criteria'?




    Pedantic, me?

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