**Luzon Confirmed Charlton Head Coach - Deal to 2016 - Praise the Lord, Work Permit GRANTED (pg 24)*
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It's all a bit confusing in my opinion. I'm pretty sure in the past that when Clubs are trying to sign players from non EU countries they have to be out of the country whilst their work permit application is being processed. I remember once on deadline day when Stoke were trying to sign someone he had to fly back out of the UK whilst it was being ratified by the FA. If so then Luzon would have had little input this week so can't see him in charge at Wolves personally.0
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Someone on fb claiming curbs was at the valley today. The powers that be cant be that thick that there could be world war 3 in se7 soon curbs in some kind of role to appease us... Love a rumour...1
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ha ha very good ;-)Davo55 said:New song anyone.....?
She met him on a Monday and her heart stood still
Da do Guy-Luz-on, da Guy Luz-on
Somebody told her that he was better than Jewell
Da do Guy-Luz-on, da Guy Luz-on
(with apologies to The Crystals for associating their timeless classic to the CAFC farce)0 -
If he doesn't take over, it really won't be down to work permit issues......se9addick said:because the guy we tried to hire was so bad they won't even let him coach in this country.
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Joining this thread late....is there actually a chance they'll reverse the appointment?0
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How I see it, if this doesn't happen, it will only be down to the players not wanting him here. It won't be due to WP issues and Roland is certainly not going to change his mind based of the opinion of us supporters............
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Whatever happens with Luzon, the chances of Curbs and Sherwood (or anyone else outside the network for that matter) coming in are nil. They will want some level of control and, unless he fancies a major change of principles, our man Roland won't want to give that away. He's proven that with his treatment of Powell and Riga.
Although I can't see the above names ever getting near the hot seat, the only time RD may potentially get someone else in with a bit more clout will be in a couple of months when we have another relegation battle on our hands and he's desperate.3 -
Not so sure about that. RD seems like the kind of bloke that wants things done his way. So far, he's not not shown many signs of being a listener. I really do hope I'm wrong, but I don't imagine him having much truck with player-power no matter how bad things got. I think the Home Office is our best chance, and that's only slim.tangoflash said:How I see it, if this doesn't happen, it will only be down to the players not wanting him here. It won't be due to WP issues and Roland is certainly not going to change his mind based of the opinion of us supporters............
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From the way, Duchatelet is going about business, I don't think he really bothered as a Charlton as a viable Championship outfit. If Charlton have seasons as a Championship club, that is probably seen as a bonus. It takes too much investment to establish Charlton in the higher level of the Championship.HandG said:Whatever happens with Luzon, the chances of Curbs and Sherwood (or anyone else outside the network for that matter) coming in are nil. They will want some level of control and, unless he fancies a major change of principles, our man Roland won't want to give that away. He's proven that with his treatment of Powell and Riga.
Although I can't see the above names ever getting near the hot seat, the only time RD may potentially get someone else in with a bit more clout will be in a couple of months when we have another relegation battle on our hands and he's desperate.
I think he has a plan B for Charlton as a League One outfit. Duchatelet can still develop the academy and League One is a more natural fit for all the network players not good for Liege and a better step up in level from his other network clubs. The Championship is a tough league and needs a strong team spirit, that needs a high level of investment, a strong manager / head coach with autonomy (who is able to speak up and be listened to) and the loose arrangements of fitting in players from the network does not foster that. The current Duchatelet model is the opposite of what's needed. It may be possible to get away with that set up in League One.
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It does look that way vff, sadly.0
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No work permit could be a face saver.0
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Work permit will be granted today according to the SLP.0
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So the SLP either got that from the Home Office which is unlikely, or from the club. Interesting if the authorities judge he qualifies, they rate his qualifications good enough, his football standing good enough, his English good enough, the advertising procedure from Charlton good enough, EEC available managers not on a par, and last weeks illegal work as a little local difficulty.10
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http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/searchresult.cfm?cat=Sport&sportdetail=Charlton
"It is expected that a work permit for the Israeli head coach will be sorted by the back end of the week so that he can take charge of the game at Wolves on Saturday."0 -
So how comes it works at Watford?vff said:
From the way, Duchatelet is going about business, I don't think he really bothered as a Charlton as a viable Championship outfit. If Charlton have seasons as a Championship club, that is probably seen as a bonus. It takes too much investment to establish Charlton in the higher level of the Championship.HandG said:Whatever happens with Luzon, the chances of Curbs and Sherwood (or anyone else outside the network for that matter) coming in are nil. They will want some level of control and, unless he fancies a major change of principles, our man Roland won't want to give that away. He's proven that with his treatment of Powell and Riga.
Although I can't see the above names ever getting near the hot seat, the only time RD may potentially get someone else in with a bit more clout will be in a couple of months when we have another relegation battle on our hands and he's desperate.
I think he has a plan B for Charlton as a League One outfit. Duchatelet can still develop the academy and League One is a more natural fit for all the network players not good for Liege and a better step up in level from his other network clubs. The Championship is a tough league and needs a strong team spirit, that needs a high level of investment, a strong manager / head coach with autonomy (who is able to speak up and be listened to) and the loose arrangements of fitting in players from the network does not foster that. The current Duchatelet model is the opposite of what's needed. It may be possible to get away with that set up in League One.3 -
Booooooo!Airman Brown said:
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/searchresult.cfm?cat=Sport&sportdetail=Charlton
"It is expected that a work permit for the Israeli head coach will be sorted by the back end of the week so that he can take charge of the game at Wolves on Saturday."7 -
'The first signing made since Guy Luzon was named as Bob Peeters' successor. '
Made since, not by.0 -
Love that: 'it is expected'.Airman Brown said:
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/searchresult.cfm?cat=Sport&sportdetail=Charlton
"It is expected that a work permit for the Israeli head coach will be sorted by the back end of the week so that he can take charge of the game at Wolves on Saturday."
Dear God tho', we get Guy Luzon.
He has to win. Hope he does, will encourage it thoroughly, but Dear God tho, Guy Luzon. Watford was his honeymoon period, we need 16 Wins starting Saturday.
Dear God tho, Guy Luzon.
Please make me wrong about him. Please make me wrong in thinking Luzon will make Dowie look like Wenger and Pardew look like Mourinho. Dear God tho, Guy Luzon.
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16 wins?? Put the crack pipe down man.2
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Good question.JollyRobin said:
So how comes it works at Watford?vff said:
From the way, Duchatelet is going about business, I don't think he really bothered as a Charlton as a viable Championship outfit. If Charlton have seasons as a Championship club, that is probably seen as a bonus. It takes too much investment to establish Charlton in the higher level of the Championship.HandG said:Whatever happens with Luzon, the chances of Curbs and Sherwood (or anyone else outside the network for that matter) coming in are nil. They will want some level of control and, unless he fancies a major change of principles, our man Roland won't want to give that away. He's proven that with his treatment of Powell and Riga.
Although I can't see the above names ever getting near the hot seat, the only time RD may potentially get someone else in with a bit more clout will be in a couple of months when we have another relegation battle on our hands and he's desperate.
I think he has a plan B for Charlton as a League One outfit. Duchatelet can still develop the academy and League One is a more natural fit for all the network players not good for Liege and a better step up in level from his other network clubs. The Championship is a tough league and needs a strong team spirit, that needs a high level of investment, a strong manager / head coach with autonomy (who is able to speak up and be listened to) and the loose arrangements of fitting in players from the network does not foster that. The current Duchatelet model is the opposite of what's needed. It may be possible to get away with that set up in League One.
From what I see of the Pozzo family yand the way he delegates the running of both Watford and Grenada there seems to be an acceptance that you need local expertise as well.
I'd also imagine Pozzo Snr loses a lot per year at Udinese if you take player trading out. The thing that saves them is their profit on players like Benatia and Sanchez
Pozzo clearly has great scouts in South America.
Good article on Swiss ramble if you want to look at in more detail.
Summary....Pozzo knows what his model does well and drafts in talent to fill the gaps. Roland doesn't think he has any gaps2 -
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They get Vydra we get RezaJollyRobin said:
So how comes it works at Watford?vff said:
From the way, Duchatelet is going about business, I don't think he really bothered as a Charlton as a viable Championship outfit. If Charlton have seasons as a Championship club, that is probably seen as a bonus. It takes too much investment to establish Charlton in the higher level of the Championship.HandG said:Whatever happens with Luzon, the chances of Curbs and Sherwood (or anyone else outside the network for that matter) coming in are nil. They will want some level of control and, unless he fancies a major change of principles, our man Roland won't want to give that away. He's proven that with his treatment of Powell and Riga.
Although I can't see the above names ever getting near the hot seat, the only time RD may potentially get someone else in with a bit more clout will be in a couple of months when we have another relegation battle on our hands and he's desperate.
I think he has a plan B for Charlton as a League One outfit. Duchatelet can still develop the academy and League One is a more natural fit for all the network players not good for Liege and a better step up in level from his other network clubs. The Championship is a tough league and needs a strong team spirit, that needs a high level of investment, a strong manager / head coach with autonomy (who is able to speak up and be listened to) and the loose arrangements of fitting in players from the network does not foster that. The current Duchatelet model is the opposite of what's needed. It may be possible to get away with that set up in League One.5 -
They also sign players form outside their network, a network which is far superior in quality anyway. They also appoint head coaches from outside the network and recognise the need for Championship experience both on and off the pitch. They also made sure they got the fans onside very early on.calydon_road said:
Good question.JollyRobin said:
So how comes it works at Watford?vff said:
From the way, Duchatelet is going about business, I don't think he really bothered as a Charlton as a viable Championship outfit. If Charlton have seasons as a Championship club, that is probably seen as a bonus. It takes too much investment to establish Charlton in the higher level of the Championship.HandG said:Whatever happens with Luzon, the chances of Curbs and Sherwood (or anyone else outside the network for that matter) coming in are nil. They will want some level of control and, unless he fancies a major change of principles, our man Roland won't want to give that away. He's proven that with his treatment of Powell and Riga.
Although I can't see the above names ever getting near the hot seat, the only time RD may potentially get someone else in with a bit more clout will be in a couple of months when we have another relegation battle on our hands and he's desperate.
I think he has a plan B for Charlton as a League One outfit. Duchatelet can still develop the academy and League One is a more natural fit for all the network players not good for Liege and a better step up in level from his other network clubs. The Championship is a tough league and needs a strong team spirit, that needs a high level of investment, a strong manager / head coach with autonomy (who is able to speak up and be listened to) and the loose arrangements of fitting in players from the network does not foster that. The current Duchatelet model is the opposite of what's needed. It may be possible to get away with that set up in League One.
From what I see of the Pozzo family and the way he delegates the running of both Watford and Grenada16 -
Got to have aspirations for the brave new regime and our Alex Ferguson, what are we supposed to hope for, draws and defeats?Stu_of_Kunming said:16 wins?? Put the crack pipe down man.
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Seems he has been managing teams since the age of 25. Quite a lot of experience including bringing on young players.1
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So did Bob apparently. If appointing Luzon means Roland might actually invest in good, quality, non-network players then I'm all for it, if not, then I really don't see the point of him.Crusty54 said:Seems he has been managing teams since the age of 25. Quite a lot of experience including bringing on young players.
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I do love Seth Plum's flint-eyed satire at these times
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Luzon? Managed his family's side then head of Israel FA, his uncle got him job with national U21s.Crusty54 said:Seems he has been managing teams since the age of 25. Quite a lot of experience including bringing on young players.
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Yep and Dudu got him the next two jobs, who is more than an agent to both Luzon and RD.harveys gardener said:
Luzon? Managed his family's side then head of Israel FA, his uncle got him job with national U21s.Crusty54 said:Seems he has been managing teams since the age of 25. Quite a lot of experience including bringing on young players.
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harveys gardener said:
Luzon? Managed his family's side then head of Israel FA, his uncle got him job with national U21s.Crusty54 said:Seems he has been managing teams since the age of 25. Quite a lot of experience including bringing on young players.
can i just add that he was a terrible player as wellChicagoAddick said:
Yep and Dudu got him the next two jobs, who is more than an agent to both Luzon and RD.harveys gardener said:
Luzon? Managed his family's side then head of Israel FA, his uncle got him job with national U21s.Crusty54 said:Seems he has been managing teams since the age of 25. Quite a lot of experience including bringing on young players.
He has managed one serious team. Hapoel are big boys in Israel. 22 games he lasted.3 -
Have just seen him up Bexleyheath Broadway and he looked totally hacked off. So clearly no work permit yet. Was probably heading up the Furze Wren then off for a Nando's.4
