You don't know what you're doing .

seriously_red said:

Tutt-Tutt said:

"we just had to accept the way RD runs the club".

priceless comment from a CEO of a club with paying customers, ( I think that's what the corporate departments call us these days).

Since the abolition of the fans director and disappearance of the shares the ownership of CAFC has become more and more concentrated. Whatever people said about Jiminez and Slater, they had to negotiate with:
1) Richard Murray who guaranteed the overdraft
2) the bank who were owed £5m on the mortgage for the North upper
3) the ex directors (including Murray) who are owed £10m payable on returning to the FAPL. These people are senior debt holders and can block the transfer of equity or raising new capital which would put them down the pecking order.
Believe it or not the old board was accountable - that is to a variety of knowledgeable creditors I have described. Duchatelet isn't because he owns the club outright and can pay off the last £1m on the mortgage whenever he wants. And that statement sums it up. "He does what he wants".

He either lacks the insight, humility and/or football intelligence to realise that he needs a director of football across the network to communicate and execute football strategy. In short he has taken on four (or six) clubs and he doesn't have a scooby!

He won't get Liege relegated but he's taking us down!

Started off well and new young talent arrived last summer but there has been a complete failure to follow up to keep momentum going.

Statements like the above and the "interview on the train" together with the supposed shortlisting have revealed in a fairly stark and cruel way what some have known for quite a while.

Namely that Katrien Meire is a puppet and is basically in charge of contracts and administration. You cannot hope to succeed in such a competitive league without leadership, technically competent football management AND someone looking out for the interests of CAFC.

We need serious attacking talent to arrive yesterday not a graduate administrator telling us we have to accept how the club is run. Is she serious in suggesting we should cheer on Lepoint and a 1-1 draw vs Rotherham FFS? No wins in ten? One goal in five? Random signings this window in and out with no explanation about the vision and strategy incl

No, Ms Meire, you need to recognise that your boss has serious cash and knows how to put up buildings plus he can hire and fire a coach. But he knows sweet FA about building a competitive squad in this league and is either too afraid and or too arrogant to put someone in charge with the gravitas and technical competence to build a winning team. Riga did it and was replaced. Says it all.

Airman Brown said:

seriously_red said:

Tutt-Tutt said:

"we just had to accept the way RD runs the club".

priceless comment from a CEO of a club with paying customers, ( I think that's what the corporate departments call us these days).

Since the abolition of the fans director and disappearance of the shares the ownership of CAFC has become more and more concentrated. Whatever people said about Jiminez and Slater, they had to negotiate with:
1) Richard Murray who guaranteed the overdraft
2) the bank who were owed £5m on the mortgage for the North upper
3) the ex directors (including Murray) who are owed £10m payable on returning to the FAPL. These people are senior debt holders and can block the transfer of equity or raising new capital which would put them down the pecking order.
Believe it or not the old board was accountable - that is to a variety of knowledgeable creditors I have described. Duchatelet isn't because he owns the club outright and can pay off the last £1m on the mortgage whenever he wants. And that statement sums it up. "He does what he wants".

He either lacks the insight, humility and/or football intelligence to realise that he needs a director of football across the network to communicate and execute football strategy. In short he has taken on four (or six) clubs and he doesn't have a scooby!

He won't get Liege relegated but he's taking us down!

Started off well and new young talent arrived last summer but there has been a complete failure to follow up to keep momentum going.

Statements like the above and the "interview on the train" together with the supposed shortlisting have revealed in a fairly stark and cruel way what some have known for quite a while.

Namely that Katrien Meire is a puppet and is basically in charge of contracts and administration. You cannot hope to succeed in such a competitive league without leadership, technically competent football management AND someone looking out for the interests of CAFC.

We need serious attacking talent to arrive yesterday not a graduate administrator telling us we have to accept how the club is run. Is she serious in suggesting we should cheer on Lepoint and a 1-1 draw vs Rotherham FFS? No wins in ten? One goal in five? Random signings this window in and out with no explanation about the vision and strategy incl

No, Ms Meire, you need to recognise that your boss has serious cash and knows how to put up buildings plus he can hire and fire a coach. But he knows sweet FA about building a competitive squad in this league and is either too afraid and or too arrogant to put someone in charge with the gravitas and technical competence to build a winning team. Riga did it and was replaced. Says it all.

Are you suggesting that 3) has changed? I don't think it has. Doesn't buy them much influence day to day, but I don't think it's any different from before except that RD has the funds to buy out these loans if he chooses.

Mikey-cafc said:

Wtf is the crouching he does in his technical area. Wasn't sure if we had AVB in charge at first. Maybe he will just trying to hide tho after killing the atmosphere with his substitution.

People need to wake up and realise Harriot is not a forward

colin1961 said:

Agree 100% these idiots are embarrassing to the club
Plus Luzon got it right so who don't know what there talking about....Vetokele was clearly injured, Luzon could be seen talking to the club Doctor then took him off, so clearly on medical grounds the change was made

Fiiiiiish said:

Last week we were feeling a sense of pride as we drew away to Watford without conceding, people lay off Luzon a bit.

Red7Oak said:

colin1961 said:

Agree 100% these idiots are embarrassing to the club
Plus Luzon got it right so who don't know what there talking about....Vetokele was clearly injured, Luzon could be seen talking to the club Doctor then took him off, so clearly on medical grounds the change was made

Actually I just think the club should sack Luzon and put Colin in charge. His superior medical skills, his clearly superior tactical coaching prowess, so much so that he can label those not in the know but with opinions based on what they see on the pitch as Idiots! Perhaps he is actually Luzon in disguise!
Actually I think I prefer Luzon in charge. But hey what do I know I sit in the North Upper so must be an Idiot!
Where do you sit Colin?

vff said:

colin1961 said:

Agree 100% these idiots are embarrassing to the club
Plus Luzon got it right so who don't know what there talking about....Vetokele was clearly injured, Luzon could be seen talking to the club Doctor then took him off, so clearly on medical grounds the change was made

Vetekele was so injured that he got really upset about being taken off. Definitely the sign of an injured player.

Also, if he is injured then why are the club playing him in the first place ? Why also was there no other strikers on the bench ? Leaving one striker to be surrounded by 3 Rotherham defenders gave the red light to Rotherham to pile forward. In bringing off Harriotts, Luzon should have sent Lepoint to be chaotic and all over the place up front. At least he helped contribute to Harriotts goal and would have prevented him causing confusion in his own ranks.

Trust is earned. The first game at Watford, though not officially in charge, Damian Matthews arranged a disastrous high line at Luzon's direction. Yesterday, Luzon mismanaged the fortunate lead that Charlton had somehow managed to attain. It is not a good start.

paulie8290 said:

masicat said:

paulie8290 said:

masicat said:

paulie8290 said:

if the only thing you both can complain about after watching that shower is the fans you need to look at yourselves

no effort, players walking around like it was a training match, I may not have been going 50 years like you masicat its a bit hard when I am only 24, but I am still a Charlton fan and that today was not my team.

This is what the players see as they come out



was there any effort today, NO

Yep, and all this shit is the fault of a brand new manager in his second game? If anyone watching the game today wondered why Ventokele went off then they shouldn't be watching Football. To slag him off with a derogatory chant was not fair to him or the player coming on. Tossers every one.

Really cant believe how naive you are, honestly after watching that all you can complain about is the fans

not the lack of effort by the players
not the lack of tactical ability from the manager
not the lack of a brain of the owner

Yep. The football is shit, the players in the main are hopeless. The effort has been dreadful. I will say it again, THIS IS A MANAGER IN HIS SECOND GAME ! I posted about the chant to him in his second game. I wasn't commenting on anything else. Now, is that clearer?

its not his 2nd game ever is management, he has a career in management, It dont matter if he has not managed here before, if that was needed why was he hired, BP had a great start to his career here despite having no Championship experience.

he has managed in Belgium's top flight, as well as the Champions League