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Don't you know your history?

JiMMy 85
JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,197
in General Charlton
Sat with JBG at the awards do last night, GlassHalfFull and I quizzed him about his knowledge of the club. Turns out he knew very little of our recent history, as we explained why Airman and Murray appeared to be in a heated debate, what the Valley party was, showed him pictures of the dilapidated ground and how the club came home. He even asked us when we had been in the Premier League (although this might have been polite conversation).

I was surprised by all this. I'd perhaps naively assumed players learnt about their new clubs when they joined. I know it's a thing they did at Bournemouth, instilling a sense of where the club came from in the new signings. I wondered if JBG was an exception, or if indeed it's something others think important?
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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited May 2015
    Curbs used to do it and he wasn't a bad manager.

    Boring, mid table and Premiership but not bad....

  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    two egos rutting at a supporter do,
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    We were in the Premier League ?
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Need to remember the past and focus on future
  • GlassHalfFull
    GlassHalfFull Posts: 2,351
    nth london addick said:

    Need to remember the past and focus on future

    It's because of the past that we still have a future.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,754
    edited May 2015
    It's not really a surprise. There are many young fans who no nothing about our turbulent past.
    It's a shame that the players aren't told any more about our history but to be fair I don't expect our manager knows ( or really cares) about what happened 30, 20 or even 10 years ago. It's all about the now.

    History is for us, the fans.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    GlassHalfFull said:

    nth london addick said:

    Need to remember the past and focus on future

    It's because of the past that we still have a future.
    Very wise Glasshopper.

  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    Bedsaddick said:

    It's not really a surprise. There are many young fans who no nothing about turbulent past.
    It's a shame that the players aren't told any more about our history but to be fair I don't expect our manager knows ( or really cares) about what happened 30, 20 or even 10 years ago. It's all about the now.

    History is for us, the fans.

    Though the new club historian could maybe do a talk to brand new players every summer on the history of the club.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    LenGlover said:

    Curbs used to do it and he wasn't a bad manager.

    Boring, mid table and Premiership but not bad....

    True... Didn't he sit down with pdc and watch the anniversary video?
  • East_Stand_Loopy
    East_Stand_Loopy Posts: 2,205
    Comparing PDC and JBG is chalk and cheese.

    PDC and his Latin temperament was always going to fall for the romance of that video.

    It would probably have negligible affect on someone with JBG's temperament. He is likely interested in the future (including his own), rather than something that happened before he was born.
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  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited May 2015
    Not surprised by this at all. Football clubs are bit of a revolving door nowadays. i get the impression that most players aren't particularly bothered what happened before their time at a club.

    I'm glad he didn't win player of the year now and hope he goes to Hull!!! (:
  • Powell Is Pleasant
    Powell Is Pleasant Posts: 1,443
    The only bit that's a surprise is that he didn't know we'd been in the Premier League - I assumed the PL was global enough that it would be fairly well-known.

    But then again, we haven't been there for a few years now; and I suppose I wouldn't necessarily expect that someone from another country would see a name like (e.g.) Birmingham or Reading and say "Oh, I know them, they used to be in the Premier League!"
  • GlassHalfFull
    GlassHalfFull Posts: 2,351

    I gave JBG a copy of Battle for the Valley that just happened to be on the table, and he was genuinely interested.

    I'd met Marko Dmitrovic at the sponsors' dinner, and I handed him his BftV last night - again, intrigued to know more about our club. He also agreed that, subject to commitments, he would join us for England vs Switzerland in September because he would love to see Wembley.

    Both players were great. I'm very proud they're ours.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    shirty5 said:

    Bedsaddick said:

    It's not really a surprise. There are many young fans who no nothing about turbulent past.
    It's a shame that the players aren't told any more about our history but to be fair I don't expect our manager knows ( or really cares) about what happened 30, 20 or even 10 years ago. It's all about the now.

    History is for us, the fans.

    Though the new club historian could maybe do a talk to brand new players every summer on the history of the club.
    The museum is looking into this
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    GlassHalfFull said:

    nth london addick said:

    Need to remember the past and focus on future

    It's because of the past that we still have a future.
    Amen to that mate hope you had a great night
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,234
    shirty5 said:

    Bedsaddick said:

    It's not really a surprise. There are many young fans who no nothing about turbulent past.
    It's a shame that the players aren't told any more about our history but to be fair I don't expect our manager knows ( or really cares) about what happened 30, 20 or even 10 years ago. It's all about the now.

    History is for us, the fans.

    Though the new club historian could maybe do a talk to brand new players every summer on the history of the club.
    The new Club Historian took the academy players to Ypres last summer and, as CAFC999 says, we're talking about taking new youngsters around the museum.

    Would be happy to do the same with the first team squad.
  • GlassHalfFull
    GlassHalfFull Posts: 2,351

    Thanks, NLA - very emotional evening, and I'm still absolutely overwhelmed thinking about it.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Glad you enjoyed it mate,
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,830
    edited May 2015
    Not surprised to be honest, generally players aren't fussed on that stuff, and let's be honest every year that goes by there are fewer and fewer people around the club and training ground who are either 'proper Charlton' or have had any longevity.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    Why would they know about the clubs history, most footballers are mercinerary and will play for the club who pays the highest wages.
    Club loyalty dissapered when Matt Le Tissier hung up his boots.
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    some young - and some not so young - people think that Churchill is the telly dog who tries to flog us over priced insurance and that the battle of Waterloo took place in 1066
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited May 2015
    The history of the club was an important part of SCPs strategy when enticing new players to the club followed by a meal with their other halves at the Valley overlooking the pitch. If you or your PA reads this Katrien and you have not adopted this approach thus far, give it a whirl.
  • East_Stand_Loopy
    East_Stand_Loopy Posts: 2,205
    RedChaser said:

    The history of the club was an important part of SCPs strategy when enticing new players to the club followed by a meal with their other halves at the Valley overlooking the pitch. If you or your PA reads this Katrien and you have not adopted this approach thus far, give it a whirl.

    And that worked SO well last season, didn't it?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited May 2015
    East_Stand_Loopy said:

    RedChaser said:

    The history of the club was an important part of SCPs strategy when enticing new players to the club followed by a meal with their other halves at the Valley overlooking the pitch. If you or your PA reads this Katrien and you have not adopted this approach thus far, give it a whirl.

    And that worked SO well last season, didn't it?
    Do what? Oh you want to hone in on the end of the SCP reign rather than the beginning when he assembled a squad in his first full season that smashed all records when getting promoted and had the strongest bond as any squad I have witnessed in the last 55 years, over to you.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,234
    "A volunteer initiative to preserve and display the heritage of our football club for the local community and supporters"

    That's the mission statement of the Charlton Athletic Museum.

    Note the word "volunteer". We don't get any money from the Football Club.

    NATWEST BANK:
    Account Name: The Charlton Athletic Museum
    Sort Code: 60-16-03
    Account No: 7377 2593

    If you want to help


  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,040
    Greenie said:

    Why would they know about the clubs history, most footballers are mercinerary and will play for the club who pays the highest wages.
    Club loyalty dissapered when Matt Le Tissier hung up his boots.

    There's been a few since him.

    Giggs and Scholes spring immediately to mind.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Henry Irving said:

    "A volunteer initiative to preserve and display the heritage of our football club for the local community and supporters"

    That's the mission statement of the Charlton Athletic Museum.

    Note the word "volunteer". We don't get any money from the Football Club.

    NATWEST BANK:
    Account Name: The Charlton Athletic Museum
    Sort Code: 60-16-03
    Account No: 7377 2593

    If you want to help


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  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,492
    iainment said:

    Greenie said:

    Why would they know about the clubs history, most footballers are mercinerary and will play for the club who pays the highest wages.
    Club loyalty dissapered when Matt Le Tissier hung up his boots.

    There's been a few since him.

    Giggs and Scholes spring immediately to mind.
    Real tough staying at such a small club like United ;)
  • creepyaddick
    creepyaddick Posts: 6,152
    Greenie said:

    Why would they know about the clubs history, most footballers are mercinerary and will play for the club who pays the highest wages.
    Club loyalty dissapered when Matt Le Tissier hung up his boots.

    Perhaps this is exactly why they should know!
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,197
    Was Le Tissier loyal? Or did he enjoy being a big fish too much to risk it at a bigger club? I genuinely don't know, but I think it's a shame he didn't move on.

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