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Proud Valiants - Charlton's first LGBT Group

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Greenie Junior said:

    Well it does..

    How?
  • Addicted
    Addicted Posts: 2,804
    edited May 2015
    It shouldnt bother you as it doesnt affect you. Being more welcoming to LBGT community may mean more fans in the stands, more money in the clubs coffers and maybe even a few more at away games.

    And as to why these groups exist - because there has never been any heteraphobic abuse given to anyone ever in the history of football. Heterosexuals dont really need to combat any songs/chants/ostracisation etc in the game. Why some find that hard to get their head around I dont know.

    In other news poor old Andrew is having a meltdown, promising to do unspeakable things to another fan at the Valley. It's all a bit sexually charged if you ask me.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    "Proud Valiants has had a number of discussions with the club who have pledged their full support."

    So, the club do respond to requests for meetings from groups representing supporters then......?
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    The group was founded by Charlton supporters who identify themselves as part of the LGBT community, it hasn't been started by a club in an attempt to segregate gay and straight fans or to satisfy some superficial equality agenda. Good luck to them I say, we'll find out in due course if there's a good demand or 'need' for it.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,783
    Greenie Junior said:

    No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality

    I think you have somewhat missed the point of what such a group is for. If you really want an answer to your question, why not contact the group and ask them?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    cafcfan said:

    "Proud Valiants has had a number of discussions with the club who have pledged their full support."

    So, the club do respond to requests for meetings from groups representing supporters then......?

    Yes, but the Club has more than one employee.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    L G B T .. large gin and a britvic tonic
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited May 2015
    I don’t think there is anybody precluding anybody forming a Charlton supporters group. I wish them well – hopefully they can attract a few more supporters. They have a role too - if they experience homophobia at the ground for instance.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    cafcfan said:

    "Proud Valiants has had a number of discussions with the club who have pledged their full support."

    So, the club do respond to requests for meetings from groups representing supporters then......?

    Only because none of them are on the Trust Board.
  • Bryan_Kynsie
    Bryan_Kynsie Posts: 2,179
    Fiiish said:

    The group was founded by Charlton supporters who identify themselves as part of the LGBT community, it hasn't been started by a club in an attempt to segregate gay and straight fans or to satisfy some superficial equality agenda. Good luck to them I say, we'll find out in due course if there's a good demand or 'need' for it.

    Actually my point was about "the LGBT community". I am wary of Henry doubting my sincerity here, but a friend of mine is gay, is in a long term relationship and I don't perceive that he is part of a community other than the one we are all part of. He and his fiancé just live their lives. Maybe he thinks differently. It's not the sort of thing that it occurs to me to ask him.

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  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    This is a rather good idea and it forwards the equality agenda, which I fully support.

    I do have some concerns though. Why call the group 'proud valliants.' What are they proud of? You don't choose or achieve gay it's something you are born with. It's like me being proud of having two feet.

    The 'I's have been left out. From the UKIP thread I found out this is for 'intersex' but I've still none the wiser as to what an intersexer is or does.

    I have a lot of sympathy fir blokes that think they are birds. I know how they feel. I think I'm a millionaire. The club should recognise this and let me use the most expensive executive box they have. This new group should make sure this happens. In the name of equality of course.
  • stonewallpenalty
    stonewallpenalty Posts: 3,842
    Maybe open an official gay bar on the north upper concourse?

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Greenie Junior said:

    No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality

    tell me about the last time some one shouted abuse or threatened you because you were straight. I'm intrigued.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    Can we do a petition to have that bloke's season ticket destroyed, I don't think we've done one for a few days.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    edited May 2015
    stonewallpenalty said:

    Maybe open an official gay bar on the north upper concourse?

    Now I know why you are Stonewallpenalty

    :-)
  • Greenie Junior
    Greenie Junior Posts: 3,881
    kentaddick said:

    Greenie Junior said:

    No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality

    tell me about the last time some one shouted abuse or threatened you because you were straight. I'm intrigued.
    Know them personally enough to know that they suffer with people shouting abuse at them do you mate? didn't think so. Stereotypes like that do groups like this no good.
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    Wow, being reading his tweets, he really has issues, not sure how much longer Guy Luzon will be following him
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035
    Best of luck to them, I'm proud (no pun intended!) to support a football club that's willing to get behind any initiative that's intended to create a more inclusive atmosphere at the Valley for all Addicks.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    I thought it was a planned jolly boys trip

    Leeds
    Glasgow
    Blackpool
    Torquay

    Or for the better experience
    Larnaca
    Gibraltar
    Berlin
    Tenerife
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,736
    stonewallpenalty said:

    Maybe open an official gay bar on the north upper concourse?

    An apt username for such a suggestion.
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  • RDG
    RDG Posts: 232
    edited May 2015
    I do have some concerns though. Why call the group 'proud valliants.' What are they proud of? You don't choose or achieve gay it's something you are born with. It's like me being proud of having two feet.
    So I guess no one's ever been proud to be English, or any other nationality? You don't choose that either.
  • Viewfinder
    Viewfinder Posts: 4,910
    edited May 2015
    PL54 said:

    Addickted said:

    Beware of Greeks bearing rifts.

    I thought the Romans were fairly forthright - was Caligula Roman or Greek ?
    In 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' (1928), D H Lawrence refers to heterosexual anal sex as "the Italian way".

  • LouisMend
    LouisMend Posts: 5,446
    smudge7946 said:

    This is a rather good idea and it forwards the equality agenda, which I fully support.

    I do have some concerns though. Why call the group 'proud valliants.' What are they proud of? You don't choose or achieve gay it's something you are born with. It's like me being proud of having two feet.

    I daresay you don't have people belittling you, disrespecting you and in some cases physically attacking you just for having two feet.

    If you did, let me know and we'll form a two-footed supporters association to show that we are proud having two feet.

    Maybe we can even join to together with the LGBT community and make a duel organisation. We'll call it the Two-Footed Tackle.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    Will there be #90smegamix ?
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,977
    Greenie Junior said:

    No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality

    Why bother having a Kent addicks or Bromley addicks or Essex addicks supporters group, arent they separating themselves from the London supporters?
  • brogib
    brogib Posts: 2,128
    CAFCTrev said:

    Greenie Junior said:

    No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality

    Why bother having a Kent addicks or Bromley addicks or Essex addicks supporters group, arent they separating themselves from the London supporters?
    I think Kent, Bromley and Essex Addicks were set up to separate themselves from supporters from East London, Trev
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,977
    brogib said:



    CAFCTrev said:

    Greenie Junior said:

    No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality

    Why bother having a Kent addicks or Bromley addicks or Essex addicks supporters group, arent they separating themselves from the London supporters?
    I think Kent, Bromley and Essex Addicks were set up to separate themselves from supporters from East London, Trev
    Touché!
  • brogib
    brogib Posts: 2,128
    ; )
  • EastTerrace
    EastTerrace Posts: 3,961
    Who designed the badge/logo? It's terrible.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Viewfinder said:

    PL54 said:

    Addickted said:

    Beware of Greeks bearing rifts.

    I thought the Romans were fairly forthright - was Caligula Roman or Greek ?
    In 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' (1928), D H Lawrence refers to heterosexual anal sex as "the Italian way".

    Sits back and waits, hovering over the LOL button...............

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